Windowed/game lag? edit: USB Devices FIX INSIDE

[Vixy]

Maybe it's an AMD, Intel processor thingie. I am using AMD and I dont have any issues but most of my LSmates are using Intel and they are having lots of laggy windower problems.

Not the case.

[Weavus]

Using official windower and running smooth. Browser was very slow, but getting better, not normal though. Haven't tried to use old windower. POL taking 90% CPU in Whitegate.

Dell Demension Desktop 2400 (lolme)
Pentium 4
1 gig RAM
Radeon 9200 /w Omega drivers.

Need any other info?

What was the CPU priority for the pol.exe thread?

Low. Switched by itself.

But fucking A, I just updated my Omega Drivers to 3.8.421 and now I can't test Direct3D and my FFXI Config box is literally empty. POL is now laggy and pixely and I'm almost afraid to log onto the actual game.

[ClassicRed]

Laptop finished updating - Works fine

PC 1
00ber Lag
HT 3.4GHZ - Pentium 4
2GigoRam
7200RPM Main Drive
128MB Radeon 9800 Pro

PC 2 (Dell Special <.<! ffs! -.- 800bux)
Runs smooth as silk
T2300 (1.66GHZ) AMD
1GigoRam
7200 RPM Main Drive
nVidia GeForce Go 7400

Both WindowsXP

[Isiolia]

Maybe it's an AMD, Intel processor thingie. I am using AMD and I dont have any issues but most of my LSmates are using Intel and they are having lots of laggy windower problems.

I'm running AMD and seeing plenty of problems. So probably not as simple as that.

[Hellfury]

k, I've tried super low resolution, new driver, turning off AV realtime protection, upping process priority, setting affinity to a single processor core, and it's still slow and laggy. And by laggy I mean, lags the entire box. I had to /shutdown so I could actually type this without the cursor occasionally getting stuck on a particular key.

AMD Opteron 170, GeForce 7900GT, 3GB RAM, XP Pro. Ran perfectly fine prior to the patch.


I agree, -something- in the program is borked. Fullscreen, windowed, whatever, FFXI is unplayable on this machine right now.

Did the process priority stay up though or fall right down like the rest? and what kinda % usage did it use?
This might be a dead end, but I'd really like to try to eliminate it.

Process priority stayed for me. I didn't do too much, but it still seemed to hover in the lower end of the spectrum, maybe 8-13%...checked it a couple times though and it was still on Normal.

But still, that sort of CPU usage should -not- lag the system like it did. If it was a low priority problem then FFXI would run like shit but Firefox or whatever should be fine. That's not the case. I think the svchost stuff is probably more along the lines of it.

could you, just to humor me, please try to shut off the official windowed mode, and run windower and confirm/deny that the general system lag is gone, while FFXI is still as bad? And do you remember what your CPU usage used to be?

(the reason I'm wondering about other peoples CPU % usage with "working" and "Not working" clients is that I know that my CPU% used to be a LOT higher than the 12% it seems to be capped at now, but I've done so much bad stuff to my computer that it's not really representative of anything, need more observations. )

And please everyone include CPU% usage with active/inactive window.

on my system, the windowed mode from SE makes my entire system lag like mad, but windower let's the rest run fine.
I have a nagging suspicion that SE did something completely messed up (beyond the obvious that something is messed up I mean)

[Seditedi]

Intel/Nvidia, runs like shit, even updated my Nvidia drivers.

edit: rest of my system is fine when the game is on, just the game runs at like 10 fps... even while in MH.

[MrGroundhog]

has anyone talked to people at SE about this yet and got any kind of answer for the lag problem?

my pol.exe keeps setting its priority to low on its own as well like some of you have mentioned but i dont know too much bout computers so i dont know wtf that means

dont have any kinda of dat mods or things of that nature

game lags in windower, full screen, and se window mode

game was running smooth this morning before maint

[ClassicRed]

Per request <.<

http://www.melodiesofdeath.com/classicred/mainpc.jpg
PC 1
00ber Lag
HT 3.4GHZ - Pentium 4
2GigoRam
7200RPM Main Drive
128MB Radeon 9800 Pro


http://www.melodiesofdeath.com/classicred/lappy.jpg
PC 2 (Dell Special <.<! ffs! -.- 800bux)
Runs smooth as silk
T2300 (1.66GHZ) AMD
1GigoRam
7200 RPM Main Drive
nVidia GeForce Go 7400

Both WindowsXP

My laptop is my 'bitch' machine <.< It has all kinda stupid shit runing and FFXI runs perfectly ~

[arshesney]

Seems something related to Microsoft crap than SE... I do use Windows XP SP2 but I disabled MOST of services that windows loads by default including:

Windows Firewall - disabled
PC Security center (or wathever crap it is in English) - disabled
.NET Runtime optimization - disabled
Clipbook - disabled
UPS crap - disabled
Helper NetBIOS - disabled
Indexing service - disabled
Messenger - disabled

You can find these services by Start > Run... > services.msc

Also most of the graphical effects are disabled.

My money is on Security Center or Firewall... hope that can help

[Hellfury]

Per request <.<

PC 1
00ber Lag
HT 3.4GHZ - Pentium 4
2GigoRam
7200RPM Main Drive
128MB Radeon 9800 Pro



PC 2 (Dell Special <.<! ffs! -.- 800bux)
Runs smooth as silk
T2300 (1.66GHZ) AMD
1GigoRam
7200 RPM Main Drive
nVidia GeForce Go 7400

Both WindowsXP

My laptop is my 'bitch' machine <.< It has all kinda stupid shit runing and FFXI runs perfectly ~

Very much appreciated, the cpu% was what I was expecting, the priority thing wasn't.

edit: I'm feeling very lost.

[Khrno]

My money is on Security Center or Firewall... hope that can help

Only things that usually run on my PC are messengers, Opera, sometimes media player, and bittorrent, all the MS crap is disabled, Antivirus only when I'm not playing.

No SC or Firewall.

[Isiolia]

k, I've tried super low resolution, new driver, turning off AV realtime protection, upping process priority, setting affinity to a single processor core, and it's still slow and laggy. And by laggy I mean, lags the entire box. I had to /shutdown so I could actually type this without the cursor occasionally getting stuck on a particular key.

AMD Opteron 170, GeForce 7900GT, 3GB RAM, XP Pro. Ran perfectly fine prior to the patch.


I agree, -something- in the program is borked. Fullscreen, windowed, whatever, FFXI is unplayable on this machine right now.

Did the process priority stay up though or fall right down like the rest? and what kinda % usage did it use?
This might be a dead end, but I'd really like to try to eliminate it.

Process priority stayed for me. I didn't do too much, but it still seemed to hover in the lower end of the spectrum, maybe 8-13%...checked it a couple times though and it was still on Normal.

But still, that sort of CPU usage should -not- lag the system like it did. If it was a low priority problem then FFXI would run like shit but Firefox or whatever should be fine. That's not the case. I think the svchost stuff is probably more along the lines of it.

could you, just to humor me, please try to shut off the official windowed mode, and run windower and confirm/deny that the general system lag is gone, while FFXI is still as bad? And do you remember what your CPU usage used to be?

(the reason I'm wondering about other peoples CPU % usage with "working" and "Not working" clients is that I know that my CPU% used to be a LOT higher than the 12% it seems to be capped at now, but I've done so much bad stuff to my computer that it's not really representative of anything, need more observations. )

And please everyone include CPU% usage with active/inactive window.

on my system, the windowed mode from SE makes my entire system lag like mad, but windower let's the rest run fine.
I have a nagging suspicion that SE did something completely messed up (beyond the obvious that something is messed up I mean)

Using the Windower the general system lag doesn't seem to be present. The in-game lag seems to be less but still noticeable.
I seemed to be idling at aroud the same 8-15% CPU, went into Besieged and it went to 20% or so. Active or inactive doesn't seem to make a difference. It goes to low when inactive, back to Normal when active, but I'm seeing the the same 17 to (sometimes) 23% usage typing this as I did with the window focused.
I can't say what my prior CPU usage was...can't recall ever bothering to check. I was running two instances of the game with no issues at all when I first built the thing.

[Grandcross]

As requested.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1804/cpu1yu0.th.jpg

[Hellfury]

Seems something related to Microsoft crap than SE... I do use Windows XP SP2 but I disabled MOST of services that windows loads by default including:

Windows Firewall - disabled
PC Security center (or wathever crap it is in English) - disabled
.NET Runtime optimization - disabled
Clipbook - disabled
UPS crap - disabled
Helper NetBIOS - disabled
Indexing service - disabled
Messenger - disabled

You can find these services by Start > Run... > services.msc

Also most of the graphical effects are disabled.

My money is on Security Center or Firewall... hope that can help

I tried it out, didn't help alas :/

[recuperi]

come to think of it, i did notice services.exe was holding a constant 15-ish % of my CPU, meaning it was doing something. I honestly have no clue what it's doing though

[Milkymallards]

Fixed for me by removing my Logitech Mouse/Keyboard. Couple of other people have said the same.

[Lordwafik]

quick Q, was DX9 introduced into this update?

[arshesney]

My money is on Security Center or Firewall... hope that can help

Only things that usually run on my PC are messengers, Opera, sometimes media player, and bittorrent, all the MS crap is disabled, Antivirus only when I'm not playing.

No SC or Firewall.

Even if you disbaled windows firewall from network neighborhood propreties it will STILL be loaded and eating about 15% of your system resources (silently), security center (I'm not sure how it's called in English) is that annoying service that puts a warn sign in your taskbar when, for expample, you don't have an antivirus installed or when auto update isn't enabled. Those are not programs you run, or you can find an icon for, they are part of the OS, but can be disabled whitout any consequence.

edit per post above: dammit... now I'm really short on solutions ; ;

[Isiolia]

quick Q, was DX9 introduced into this update?

Believe so, since they had said that the reason windowed mode was taking so long was that they needed to rewrite the engine into DX9. I assume that since we have windowed mode, it's in DX9 now.

[Lasareth]

Don't assume