1str no longer = 1attack

[Khrno]

A NIN with 75% ACC wasn't parsing anywhere near 6% of me, so SOMETHING has changed....a unmerited level 74 DRK/NIN with 77% ACC would've gotten outparsed by at least 15%, most likely 20%, prior to last night....but you beat him by a laughable 9%. Are you kidding me?

Dude, did you ever read anything of what i posted together with my parse?

I'll quote myself:

I'm looking forward now to get the lag issue fixed so I can play properly

Means I was playing at 7 fps on my MH, 3 fps everywhere else with more than 6 ppl/npc/mobs

Khrno: DRK/SAM, full merited, Coeurl Subs 70% of the time~, 50/50 Hasso/Seigan, no Souleater.

Did you read that? NO SOULEATER, not even once dude. Why? I've said that already 10 times.

This is my gear TP and Guillo (No modifications so far for new 4:3 ratio)

Guillotine missed more than before, I have to swap some more Acc gear in.

One final note regarding the amount of WS: I have lag issues, game runs at 7 fps on my MH, besides that i let TP accumulate many times because i was chatting and what not, so my overall DMG should have been higher if i was playing as normal.

....


A stupid simple parser to show my own performance and that of a not 75/not merited DRK, to show how DMG isn't fucked up.

But i guess you can't read.


And btw, the game still running at 8 fps inside my stupid MH, wtf was the maintenance for?

[Lucavi]

The only problem with that is we don't know the NIN's gear, and that Khrno himself said there's lots of room for improvement since he was playing with large amounts of lag. Plus, another reason the NIN could've performed better than "usual" (I though NINs were decent DDs in the first place) is because of the 3rd weaker DRK not contributing his share.

Well said, and this is where the "shit is situational" card comes out. My general point still remains, however: its too soon even for him to claim that things are hunky-dory when everything has yet to be tested. Kudos for posting one of the first substantial parses we've received, but on the flip side, the rngs are starting to parse and are hesitant to divulge the full results -- most likely out of fear of being adjusted, as this update is especially sweet for them.

[Khrno]

The only problem with that is we don't know the NIN's gear, and that Khrno himself said there's lots of room for improvement since he was playing with large amounts of lag. Plus, another reason the NIN could've performed better than "usual" (I though NINs were decent DDs in the first place) is because of the 3rd weaker DRK not contributing his share.

I'm not trying to prove myself against the NIN or against anyone else but MYSELF with that parser, as you said, and i did many times, that's not my best for all the reasons above mentioned.

That's why after my parser i clearly made 3 points: Acc/ Media of hits / WS Average.

I never said hey look i can outdd a heavy hasted/DW/HQ NIN. And i mentioned the 74 drk to show how his damage was good for his level, unless some other 74 drk can come here and say they did 1200 on ws average before.

[Kyupi/Kij]

Hexagram, 6% is a lot when compared to 30%. 36/30 = 6/5, which means that Khrno was doing 120% of the next person's damage, not 106%, and 20% is a fair margin by any standard (well, mine anyway). Even 6% is pretty nice if you think about it, it's like the difference between no belt and a speed belt. Sort-of.

That said, I am a little disappointed I can't utterly break the game with Soboro or whatever anymore.

Khrno, what were the mobs?

[Judai]

hex seems to be an idiot and doesn't understand it was broken before.

[Lebzile]

Hexagram, 6% is a lot when compared to 30%. 36/30 = 6/5, which means that Khrno was doing 120% of the next person's damage, not 106%, and 20% is a fair margin by any standard (well, mine anyway). Even 6% is pretty nice if you think about it, it's like the difference between no belt and a speed belt. Sort-of.

That said, I am a little disappointed I can't utterly break the game with Soboro or whatever anymore.

Khrno, what were the mobs?

I'm guessing they were G-Colibri, thanks for the parse Khrono, I need to go get a meripo and Eye Ball my own damage and make changes according to what I need.

[Holsety]

Fafnir just popped on our server and I can safely say we have nothing to worry about.

DRK was hitting Faf for 40-90 per hit with Great Sword, with average of ~55, and scythe was hitting for 60-120. Spinning Slash was doing 400-600, Guillotine was doing 500-1000.

Crits were doing 190+

RNG was hitting it for 80-130 per shot, and Sidewinders were doing 750-900 constantly.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...Dhaos/dmg2.jpg

DRK was pretty well equipped (Adaberk/Ace's Helm, etc.)

[Khrno]

Khrno, what were the mobs?

Wow sorry, i forgot to write down that it was on colibris, Puks are idiotic since they are so soft, so a mid point are colibris, I think best mobs to check damage on are Trolls or Demons, Mamools just suck with Firespit ; ;

DRK was hitting Faf for 40-90 per hit with Great Sword, with average of ~55, and scythe was hitting for 60-120. Spinning Slash was doing 400-600, Guillotine was doing 500-1000.

Crits were doing 190+

I was talking with a friend about what should be the dmg on hnms, and FF specially, and i did say that the average right now with GS (I like it better for FF) should be around 50-60, so right as you say.

SS on the 400-600 range are normal, a high TP SS or a 300% GS better will probably break 1k with np either.

But such high Guillotine damage does amaze me, anything special from that Scythe DRK? My Guillos never hit so high on FF unless i use SE. And many times I'm saving TP or what not and that's why i choose GS over Scythe there.

[Arthars]

well done on that SS. thats a pure win for HNM wise

now stfu and play ur job right you whiners/gimp/retards out there

damage are not reduced 500% for great 2Hers

[devildrifterX]

Jesus, let it be known that we will be publicly handing gimps their asses to them. like hexa, who cant understand that his under-par gear will no longer support his "easy button" WS numbers. The SS show that the well geared will spit out the most dmg, plain n simple, and the sorry asses will be hitting under 300 dmg...amazing concept isnt it?

Btw, last nights merit pt with 2 mnks sam x2 brd rdm,. I must say the resistance on SC seems to be very little, i couldnt see most of the darkness chains cause of him switching gear, but asuran fist > Gekko was singlehandedly wiping about 40% of this things HP.

[Tythera]

That sounds about where things were pre-buffing, assuming none of those were SE'd. That's pretty good in that case

[Lucavi]

Most raw damage is back where it was at the beginning of the summer -- we just all have gained about 22 to dex and acc, and drks have had guillo nerfed, as well a drgs having penta nerfed. The sad part is that with the pDif back to 2.4, we're back to saying that adding a measly 25 to base attack does absolute shit, which is what the problem with 2-handed compared to dual-wield was. So SE basically wasted 3 months of testing and updating.

It wouldn't be a problem if SE had never said that they intended for 2-handed weapons to deal damage, and especially if they hadn't said that they wanted to give drks a reason to use scythe.

[Khrno]

and especially if they hadn't said that they wanted to give drks a reason to use scythe.

Nerfing Guillo, buffing Cross Reaper. There you go, use Scythe.

[Lucavi]

Nerfing Guillo, buffing Cross Reaper. There you go, use Scythe.

Scythe is approx. 25atk and 25acc stronger than where it was LAT year -- is that seriously enough of a 2-handed boost to keep you using scythe over GS, which receives the SAME boost?

No matter how you slice it and serve it, SE has mitigated their previous update down to a fraction of an improvement over what has been the standard for years. They've essentially given everyone a grip, a bit of atk and acc, and a few modified WSes to piddle with.

I already know I'm strong -- I fall into the "I'm still a beast after updates" boat, but that doesn't mean I like to let SE get away with basically being an Indian Giver across all 2-handed jobs, just because bandwagoners went apeshit with sam. They could have nerfed the big three WSes on sam, scratched the 1-to-1 ratio, and simply kept the pDif at 3. There, no more broken sams, and the rest of the 2-handers aren't shit out of luck.

[Deftscythe]

That sounds about where things were pre-buffing, assuming none of those were SE'd. That's pretty good in that case

In what way is that good?

[Tythera]

That sounds about where things were pre-buffing, assuming none of those were SE'd. That's pretty good in that case

In what way is that good?

At least compared to the sky is falling on HNMs crowd it's good. Vs XP mobs it's still buffed from pre-buff-patch so it scales down a bit at HNMs. I can't say I'd mind a point somewhere in between where it got put and where it was but I don't think it's that broken where it is.

[AoshiZ]

The sad part is that with the pDif back to 2.4, we're back to saying that adding a measly 25 to base attack does absolute shit, which is what the problem with 2-handed compared to dual-wield was.

Where is this coming from? I was testing last night and have gotten values well above 2.4 PDIF... but with my limited time i couldn't get enough values in to confirm the upperbound of PDIF

AoshiZ
Gilgamesh

[Beckwin]

At this time I'm just gonna point out that hex was the guy who tried to give me shit for losing to Rykoshet's SAM after the first buff where he was literally *averaging* 1400 on WS and peaking 2300 on gekko, and then still tried to give me shit for breaking even with Ryko's SAM and pimped Ridill WAR after the subsequent adjustment. He also proposed that going DRK/WAR in no haste gear spamming Drains was the key to winning parses.

I haven't played around with my DRK or RNG since the recent patch, but I'm a tad disappointed with how SE decided to tackle balancing- they were so close to getting it right. A slight y/g/k nerf coupled with a RNG buff really only left NIN and debatably THF/PUP out (thf was still pretty killer, esp on birds, and PUP is scheduled for continued improvements plus wasn't meant so much to be a top tier DD; I guess the same could be said for nin but eh).

What's surprising is the HNM part of the nerf, especially after SE made such a big deal about buffing 2h jobs on HNMs in the first place. Granted it doesn't seem as extreme as some people thought initially, but I still find it odd.

[Ryko]

At this time I'm just gonna point out that hex was the guy who tried to give me shit for losing to Rykoshet's SAM after the first buff where he was literally *averaging* 1400 on WS and peaking 2300 on gekko, and then still tried to give me shit for breaking even with Ryko's SAM and pimped Ridill WAR after the subsequent adjustment. He also proposed that going DRK/WAR in no haste gear spamming Drains was the key to winning parses.

Oh god I completely forgot about that moron.

[Kyupi/Kij]

Btw, last nights merit pt with 2 mnks sam x2 brd rdm,. I must say the resistance on SC seems to be very little, i couldnt see most of the darkness chains cause of him switching gear, but asuran fist > Gekko was singlehandedly wiping about 40% of this things HP.

Did they buff SC already too? =o I didn't see it in the patch notes (maybe I'm just blind) so I was assuming "not yet."