1str no longer = 1attack

[Lucavi]

edit: to lucavi - the per hit damage didnt seem like it dropped much for sam, im guessing with buffs it'll still be around normal on higher level mobs (i was looking at it on lesser colibri with no food and it seemed the same)

Whew, thank you. That's all I really cared about, personally. I liked being able to squeak out 400 crits on a few merit mobs here and there - I can rest easy now, knowing that all of my work wasn't in vain. I'm in no rush to go back to the days of the 05 drg.

[recuperi]

Atleast on the lower side of the EP mobs. I feel im doing consitantly higher Penta Thrust. With food angon and zerk/cry my high was 2.8k and 2.6k.... That was rare with most doing 1.5-2k range. three WS Buffs without food hitting 2.7 2.5 2.4k

On top of that Sam in my LS said he was still doing 1.4k penta as Sam/nin with 153 skill as his gekkos were doing less then half that....both Sams decided to log off. Both are well geared and merited.

about to go xp as /rdm.... ill see how numbers stack against old /rdm WS

Glad I have the option of love torque/halberd to fall back on if that becomes standard then

[Edenbuster]

Then the skillchain resistance reduction was in effect today? I assumed it was something they were considering.

If it's not sam only, this could be quite a change. :3

Even if it is, soboro just because even more interesting.

[Misuicide]

Our SAMs Antz and Wootaru were doing average 750 - 1000 on Faf, no brd, and sushi, so dunno what your problems were. Between Yuki Gekko and Kasha that is, once or twice it was down to the 300s, so it wasn't even noticeable

[Khrno]

Got myself to +100 STR (70 gear, 7 food, 5 Hasso, 18 Abs-STR).


100 STR = 73 ATT.

Hmmm.

We really gotta get this nailed down and figure out what it is, seeing one test suggest 0.8, and another just shy of .75 is old and it's only been what, three hours?

Maybe it scales as total Str gets higher?

I'll quote all the STR/Att values, or the more relevants:

 STR = ATT

10  =  7 
20  =  15 
31  =  23
42  =  31
50  =  37
60  =  45
70  =  52
77  =  56
82  =  60
100 =  73

[Max™]

Damn, looks like back to the 4:3 Assumption.

[Excalin Garisk]

Got myself to +100 STR (70 gear, 7 food, 5 Hasso, 18 Abs-STR).


100 STR = 73 ATT.

Hmmm.

We really gotta get this nailed down and figure out what it is, seeing one test suggest 0.8, and another just shy of .75 is old and it's only been what, three hours?

Maybe it scales as total Str gets higher?

I'll quote all the STR/Att values, or the more relevants:

 STR = ATT

10  =  7 
20  =  15 
31  =  23
42  =  31
50  =  37
60  =  45
70  =  52
77  =  56
82  =  60
100 =  73

32 => 24 straight 75%

[Khrno]

32 => 24 straight 75%

20>15 and 60>45 too for that matter.

[Maimildre]

definitely with 4 = 3. As PLD/BLM(lol, didnt want any attack traits) with 71+29 STR, 94 Staff skill(lol), +0 Attack came to 177 total attack. 177 - 94 from skill and - 8 = 75 on the dot.

Also I went on a bunny slaying rampage to see if the touched pDIF cap... can't seem to break 2.66 (crits still goto 3.15).

[hexagram23]

They nerfed 2-handers almost back to where we were, before the initial buff.

The DEX/STR stuff isn't the problem. I don't know much about the "math" aspects of FFXI but I had a party on Nyzul Isle last night, and then today after the update, and the difference was massive.

I'm a DRK with fairly nice gear, Adaberk, etc. I had 815 Attack with a BRD, using Mithkabobs. I lost about 30 Attack from the STR change, but that's not the problem.

I'd say my average WS dropped 300-400 damage. I was struggling to break 1k on VT birds, WSs dipped as low as 650-700 damage. Just last night with a BRD and the same food I was breaking 1.2k easily with DAs procs doing 1.5k or so. Today DA procs would do 1.2k. What's weird is I was in a party for an hour and a half and only got 2 DA procs on my WSs. This is with /WAR, Brutal Earring, and Pole Strap. Maybe that's just a fluke though.

My hits were all over the place too...160, 250, 158, 235, etc. That would be like a MNK doing 0 damage every other hit, if his melee damage varied that much.

I don't mean to be overly negative but SE screwed 2-handers bad.

[Lebzile]

I don't mean to be overly negative but SE screwed 2-handers bad.

Any job that used a 2h weapon is feeling the affects from this patch. I think SE put everyone down below what it used to be.

[Maxxthepenguin]

...well shit

[Khrno]

I don't mean to be overly negative but SE screwed 2-handers bad.

Any job that used a 2h weapon is feeling the affects from this patch. I think SE put everyone down below what it used to be.

That's a crazy thing, if they weren't happy with the buff, they should have aken us back as we were before the original update. Decked out 2-handers shined right next to Ridill WARs and BB MNKs back then.

But now what? I haven't merited yet, have to wait untill tomorrow, but now i want to do it with a a Ridill WAR and MNK and see how are things now.

[Arthars]

1. they did not screw you guys
2. you are still stronger than pre patch
3. they are trying to balance things out. You are not meant to be hax damage, when it first patched, permanently
4. all my friends thats kinda maxed out gear on SAMs and my own drk is still doing fine damage. only slight damage reduction from what we observe
5. THIS PATCH ONLY SCREW GIMP/AH SAMS
6. we now have a fine line between good sams and gimp sams, rather than "ALL SAMS ARE YOUR GOD"

[Maxxthepenguin]

1. they did not screw you guys
2. you are still stronger than pre patch
3. they are trying to balance things out. You are not meant to be hax damage, when it first patched, permanently
4. all my friends thats kinda maxed out gear on SAMs and my own drk is still doing fine damage. only slight damage reduction from what we observe
5. THIS PATCH ONLY SCREW GIMP/AH SAMS
6. we now have a fine line between good sams and gimp sams, rather than "ALL SAMS IS YOUR GOD"

No, not really. If the DEX/ACC and STR/Atk were the only changes then yeah, well geared 2hers would be fine. But as people have shown, this is not the case.

[Khrno]

1. they did not screw you guys
2. you are still stronger than pre patch
3. they are trying to balance things out. You are not meant to be hax damage, when it first patched, permanently
4. all my friends thats kinda maxed out gear on SAMs and my own drk is still doing fine damage. only slight damage reduction from what we observe
5. THIS PATCH ONLY SCREW GIMP/AH SAMS
6. we now have a fine line between good sams and gimp sams, rather than "ALL SAMS ARE YOUR GOD"

The problem is what Hexagram said a couple of posts before, although he has fame of talking crap regarding DRK anyway, but still.

I was checking some old parsers pre-update and I would still average Guillotines on Colibri for over 1k, after update it went to 1.4k, after 9/11 patch to 1.2k (food + BRD on those parsers).

So this guy is saying that he sucks hard, that is a little discouraging, until i go and see it for myself tomorrow.

[Arthars]

yep

but please do admit that when it first patch, 2H are way broken. 1.5-2kish on IT mob, 1000ish damage on HNM considered acceptable?

i admit because i tried it myself with my drk

they are now balancing things, NOT SCREWING US UP

if they feel its not balanced yet, they will do adjustment again

you guys taking it like what? END OF THE WORLD?

but like what i said, i dont really feel much difference on gullitine(sp) yet

slight reduction? yea

screwed me up like some of you guys saying? not even close

[Lucavi]

They fucked with the pDif, as I thought they would. Anyone who simply believed that it was the minor chance to dex-to-acc was a fool. It said right there in the update that they were changing the damage calculations once again. Losing 24-30atk on my basic build isn't a problem, its having that remaining 420-ish atk doing considerably lower damage than what it would have done yesterday that's pissing me off.

[hexagram23]

1. they did not screw you guys
2. you are still stronger than pre patch
3. they are trying to balance things out. You are not meant to be hax damage, when it first patched, permanently
4. all my friends thats kinda maxed out gear on SAMs and my own drk is still doing fine damage. only slight damage reduction from what we observe
5. THIS PATCH ONLY SCREW GIMP/AH SAMS
6. we now have a fine line between good sams and gimp sams, rather than "ALL SAMS ARE YOUR GOD"

1. Yes they did. See my post.
2. No we aren't. We are arguably worse off then before because at least before that was considered the "norm"....to go from breaking 1.3k damage down to 700 damage in the course of 24 hours is fucked up. Being broke is bad but it would be even worse if someone gave you $1000 then took it right back the next day.
3. They failed.
4. I gotta call BS on this since numerous people from this board, Alla, KI, where ever are mentioning a drop in damage, on HNMs, EXP mobs, etc....both in melee hits and WSs. Unless SE nerfed everyone but you and your buddies.
5. I'm not a SAM, this isn't even about SAMs. It affects all 2 handers.

As far as your second post, it was "balanced" the last "nerf" they did, except for possibly SAM. But even SAM didn't deserve to get nerfed to this.

[Arthars]

SS of WS gears from people whom went into serious depression after this patch then

(i'm interested)

if not, im too lazy to post here again lol