1str no longer = 1attack

[hexagram23]

No more 20 minute Fafhoggs now.

huh? It took us 15-20m to kill Faf before the 2H patch, lol.. idk wtf you talking bout~

I think most people need to go back and add some Acc and shit to their WS gear and then look into damage.

How is ACC going to help our damage more, when the melee hits we are landing are doing crap damage? How is ACC going to help, if we are landing all 4 hits of Guillotine and it's doing 300-400 less damage than it was, just 24 hours ago? If it was something as simple as an ACC issue, it would've been resolved 5 pages ago.

[Gengu]

Sweet I don't have to finish my sam sub, instead I can finish my rdm sub <.>

[Ploid]

Man, this sounds bad. Oh well, I let someone use my hagun and my haub is missing anyway. I had some good times with sam post update at least, good fun times. Back to war, sam for life in dynamis though. Wish I could get my merits spent on sam after the update back though Darn you SE for pulling a fast one on me.

[Palin@Ramuh]

I remember SE wanting HNMs to be feared, guess they didn't want people throwing melees at them and ripping them apart in minutes

Right, but a BLM doing 1000 spells back to back with gjallarballad and no fear of pulling hate how the emnity is now is perfectly O.K. Someone just needs to goto their office and teach them how the game is really played.

um... yeah, ok.

Because 100% nonresisted spells, ghorn bards, and tanks who can't lose hate is exactly how this game is played. Didn't know all those things were standard isse with most linkshells.

[Akumaronin]

Considering that SE has managed to fuck up Salvage and Mount Z crawlers (So I hear), then it's possible that they fucked this up and made it too severe a nerf. Sort of like when they fucked up and made them too powerful after the initial update.

[Palin@Ramuh]

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[Tythera]

Nobody else fight any HNMs at server up with 2h weapons? I find one screenshot of one DRK between whatever number of servers (32?) kind of strange; if I still did HNM or wasn't working I'd go check myself but alas I can't.

[Judai]

No more 20 minute Fafhoggs now.

huh? It took us 15-20m to kill Faf before the 2H patch, lol.. idk wtf you talking bout~

I think most people need to go back and add some Acc and shit to their WS gear and then look into damage.

How is ACC going to help our damage more, when the melee hits we are landing are doing crap damage? How is ACC going to help, if we are landing all 4 hits of Guillotine and it's doing 300-400 less damage than it was, just 24 hours ago? If it was something as simple as an ACC issue, it would've been resolved 5 pages ago.

w/e you say, most ppl are full of shit on WS numbers so I tend to not put much faith into this petty crying unless you post up some before and after parses, like Ruke, Ryko and some others alway do. Some people seem to say they are doing just fine and some are crying. I don't see how getting .75atk/acc per str/dex would drop your numbers so bad unless you didn't compensate for it by reworking your gear set-ups. Maybe they screwed up the pdif or wsc or some shit, idk. Just saying it's a bit early and there isn't any good info from any of you to warrent this much whining. You eyeballing numbers isn't proof. I can eyeball my 3 RRs on L.Colibri and say I didn't see much of a change from a couple days ago but I didn't bother to actually test it.

If there is a big problem, maybe it was just a mistake, which happens alot after big patches. I'm personally not gonna get all worked up and freak out until I don't see any fixes and they leave it like it is. I just hate seeing ppl bitch and cry a couple hours after a big ass patch when everyone knows shit usually gets messed up.

[sephir]

my sam isnt noticing much difference. I did some tests outside of Whitegate and my average Kasha was about 1.2k, Gekko and Yuki about 1.1k. Did a 1.7k Gekko on Lesser Collibiri, that seemed to be the highest. Did a 1894 Kasha on a mamool in preemtive strikes but had Dia and Angon on it.

[Palin@Ramuh]

I'm pretty sure the numbers are varying from person to person because of what they are fighting.


I think SE fuddled with the level comparison shit or whatever.

So you have a whole bunch of people who are now doing shit damage on HNMs. They are screaming that the sky is falling, hell has frozen over, and pigs are starting to fly.


Then you have the other people, who are testing their numbers on Colibri and Greater Colibri. These mobs arent too far off 75 in either direction. Their Defense is pathetic. People are still putting up good numbers.

I think people are blowing out the acc/dex thing WAY out of proportion in terms of the changes in damage.

[Ddong]

How is skillchain damage though? Is it more reliable to have it do max damage than before?

[hexagram23]

w/e you say, most ppl are full of shit on WS numbers so I tend to not put much faith into this petty crying unless you post up some before and after parses, like Ruke, Ryko and some others alway do. Some people seem to say they are doing just fine and some are crying. I don't see how getting .75atk/acc per str/dex would drop your numbers so bad unless you didn't compensate for it by reworking your gear set-ups. Maybe they screwed up the pdif or wsc or some shit, idk. Just saying it's a bit early and there isn't any good info from any of you to warrent this much whining. You eyeballing numbers isn't proof. I can eyeball my 3 RRs on L.Colibri and say I didn't see much of a change from a couple days ago but I didn't bother to actually test it.

If there is a big problem, maybe it was just a mistake, which happens alot after big patches. I'm personally not gonna get all worked up and freak out until I don't see any fixes and they leave it like it is. I just hate seeing ppl bitch and cry a couple hours after a big ass patch when everyone knows shit usually gets messed up.

Did you even read anything that was posted here? Like 3 pages ago people said "it's not the STR/DEX stuff, they messed up the damage calcs". Why comment when you don't even know what the conversation is about?

One guy said he's doing fine, with zero proof. Pretty much everyone else either said "it's worse" or "it's definitely much worse"....people have posted pics of their damage on stuff ranging from Fafnir down to EP mobs....the damage is OBVIOUSLY OFF. How you can look at real pics of WS damage and say "most people are full of shit when it comes to WS damage"....how does that work? Do you think the pics were PhotoShopped?

I don't have a problem with you not sweating the nerf, that's up to you. But you are commenting on things you obviously didn't read and pics you obviously didn't see.

[Beckwin]

Was there any info on the tp return of that shitty spinning slash? Because my first reaction was that he double/tripled and missed the first hit.

[Saraphym]

w/e you say, most ppl are full of shit on WS numbers so I tend to not put much faith into this petty crying unless you post up some before and after parses, like Ruke, Ryko and some others alway do. Some people seem to say they are doing just fine and some are crying. I don't see how getting .75atk/acc per str/dex would drop your numbers so bad unless you didn't compensate for it by reworking your gear set-ups. Maybe they screwed up the pdif or wsc or some shit, idk. Just saying it's a bit early and there isn't any good info from any of you to warrent this much whining. You eyeballing numbers isn't proof. I can eyeball my 3 RRs on L.Colibri and say I didn't see much of a change from a couple days ago but I didn't bother to actually test it.

If there is a big problem, maybe it was just a mistake, which happens alot after big patches. I'm personally not gonna get all worked up and freak out until I don't see any fixes and they leave it like it is. I just hate seeing ppl bitch and cry a couple hours after a big ass patch when everyone knows shit usually gets messed up.

Did you even read anything that was posted here? Like 3 pages ago people said "it's not the STR/DEX stuff, they messed up the damage calcs". Why comment when you don't even know what the conversation is about?

One guy said he's doing fine, with zero proof. Pretty much everyone else either said "it's worse" or "it's definitely much worse"....people have posted pics of their damage on stuff ranging from Fafnir down to EP mobs....the damage is OBVIOUSLY OFF. How you can look at real pics of WS damage and say "most people are full of shit when it comes to WS damage"....how does that work? Do you think the pics were PhotoShopped?

I don't have a problem with you not sweating the nerf, that's up to you. But you are commenting on things you obviously didn't read and pics you obviously didn't see.

sam/war, no bard or cor

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1761/fafnirbo6.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/LastDhaos/DRK.jpg

...wut ?

to make my point, within this whole entire FIVE PAGE THREAD (omg datz alotta data! lolz) these were the only 2 screenshots I could find of 2hers on anything above merit lvl. I'm gonna agree with Judai on this one and hold off on the bitching till more tests are done, because IDK BUT, I think more then 2 goddamn screenshots and 4 ws are required to have anything solid. And also if you haven't noticed, a lot of other shit is broken too. If it's really that big of a deal for lvl diff on 2h ws most likely something will be done when the other shit gets patched.

[Judai]

w/e you say, most ppl are full of shit on WS numbers so I tend to not put much faith into this petty crying unless you post up some before and after parses, like Ruke, Ryko and some others alway do. Some people seem to say they are doing just fine and some are crying. I don't see how getting .75atk/acc per str/dex would drop your numbers so bad unless you didn't compensate for it by reworking your gear set-ups. Maybe they screwed up the pdif or wsc or some shit, idk. Just saying it's a bit early and there isn't any good info from any of you to warrent this much whining. You eyeballing numbers isn't proof. I can eyeball my 3 RRs on L.Colibri and say I didn't see much of a change from a couple days ago but I didn't bother to actually test it.

If there is a big problem, maybe it was just a mistake, which happens alot after big patches. I'm personally not gonna get all worked up and freak out until I don't see any fixes and they leave it like it is. I just hate seeing ppl bitch and cry a couple hours after a big ass patch when everyone knows shit usually gets messed up.

Did you even read anything that was posted here? Like 3 pages ago people said "it's not the STR/DEX stuff, they messed up the damage calcs". Why comment when you don't even know what the conversation is about?

One guy said he's doing fine, with zero proof. Pretty much everyone else either said "it's worse" or "it's definitely much worse"....people have posted pics of their damage on stuff ranging from Fafnir down to EP mobs....the damage is OBVIOUSLY OFF. How you can look at real pics of WS damage and say "most people are full of shit when it comes to WS damage"....how does that work? Do you think the pics were PhotoShopped?

I don't have a problem with you not sweating the nerf, that's up to you. But you are commenting on things you obviously didn't read and pics you obviously didn't see.

No, some people are posting shitty damage and some are posting fine damage on the sam fucking mobs. Jesus get your head out of your ass. The above post proves what I was saying. Everyone is so blatently all around the ballpark on their numbers. I tend to think some of you without any SSs or proof are full of shit. I read everything, the above picture obviously shows you missed a few posts that didn't fit into your arguement.

I aggree'd something is probably jacked up but most of the people here showed no proof and the few who did have contradictory results.

[Shamaya]

Wanted to say earlier, for the dex thing I didn't take into account how my base dex could have fucked up my overall value for dex:acc. It could have. Same for the atk:str if the base str wasn't taken into account prior to the calculation.

I would have edited my page-4 screeny test post awhile earlier, but I lost internet for a few hours tonight.

[Arthars]

im working on the SSs i got

will post them and shut you SAMs ,that say you are COMPLETELY screwed, ass's up when its done

just wait

sam i invited was a mithra sam, full SAM merits but 4/5 str

we did with and without minuet WSs on mamools

all i can say is i see no such thing of "SAMS ARE FUCKING SCREWED" in his damage

i'll post when i wake up

[Holsety]

im working on the SSs i got

will post them and shut you SAMs ,that say you are COMPLETELY screwed, ass's up when its done

just wait

sam i invited was a mithra sam, full SAM merits but 4/5 str

we did with and without minuet WSs on mamools

all i can say is i see no such thing of "SAMS ARE FUCKING SCREWED" in his damage

i'll post when i wake up

Yeah because SAM/THF is a real accurate way to determine the change in damage from SAM/WAR right?

[Sylvaria]

~850 WS on colibri,no food no brd compared to 900-1k WS the day before patch with brd

1k-1.2k WS DA-proc without brd compared to 1.2-1.5k the day before with brd

spendin some more time here,but im still convinced SAM nerf is minimal

edit 1: dmg avg ranged 750-850, DAs get as high as 1.4k +

[SamanosukeShiva]

so... lets get this straight, does 2h weapon worse now than pre-boost?

i'll see for myself when i finish update, though i'm not convinced that the nerf is THAT bad.

edit: SAM4life 8)