1str no longer = 1attack

[Wolfknight]

so... lets get this straight, does 2h weapon worse now than pre-boost?

i'll see for myself when i finish update, though i'm not convinced that the nerf is THAT bad.

from what I can tell we have more acc now but less ws dmg D:

[Saraphym]

Did some very minor testing while meriting on birds. Basically, averaged 800~1.1k YGK, lowest 600-700(1 or 2 out of 30+ ws, really more fluke then anything else), highest 1200~1300. Also 2hred a Puk for lulz. It's not as easy to break 1k now, but for the most part imo its far from "broken", and range seems to vary quite a lot. IIRC before update, my ws with the exact same setup would prob do 10-15% more dmg ws-wise, so it sorta feels like my overwhelm merits were taken out, more or less.

setup;
3/3 overwhelm, 297 GK(8/8merit +bushi), +64 str with eq/food, no minuet. So.. AFAIK merits really havent changed that much, i can sort of vouch for that.

here are some 1k+ SS with loltimestamp

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22 ... m/1319.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22 ... m/1194.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22 ... m/1166.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22 ... m/1112.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff22 ... m/1054.jpg

haven't gotten chance to do tests on anything higher lvl.

[recuperi]

so... lets get this straight, does 2h weapon worse now than pre-boost?

i'll see for myself when i finish update, though i'm not convinced that the nerf is THAT bad.

from what I can tell we have more acc now but less ws dmg D:

to expand on that, from my experiences thus far, it seems they widened the range a ws could do. i saw anywhere from 500 gekkos (yes full return) to 1.1k (normal return) which just seemed way off to me and yeah like the guy above it was around an average of 8-900

[Sasarai]

I think its pretty obvious by now that reports of vastly lowered damage across the board were nothing but scare mongering. On merit mobs is rather hard to notice a difference.

[hexagram23]

..wut ?

to make my point, within this whole entire FIVE PAGE THREAD (omg datz alotta data! lolz) these were the only 2 screenshots I could find of 2hers on anything above merit lvl. I'm gonna agree with Judai on this one and hold off on the bitching till more tests are done, because IDK BUT, I think more then 2 goddamn screenshots and 4 ws are required to have anything solid. And also if you haven't noticed, a lot of other shit is broken too. If it's really that big of a deal for lvl diff on 2h ws most likely something will be done when the other shit gets patched.

If you looked through 5 pages and that's all you seen you are either:

A. An idiot or....

B. Blind as a fucking bat

Since Kael and Wolfknight both gave numerous pics of shitty WS damage. So not only am I wrong, the 2 guys who posted the pics you had are wrong, plus these other two guys, plus numerous people all across every FFXI message board. Yes, it's a grand conspiracy to fool you and Judai. Nothing has been nerfed, you guys got it all figured out.

[Projekt.Ein]

Haven't we figured out now that the issue at hand isn't merit mobs? It's HNM most of these people are worried about. It's not just SAM, it's DRK and DRG also. We'll get moar tests today... maybe at the HNM hours, so chill? /shrug

[Saraphym]

..wut ?

to make my point, within this whole entire FIVE PAGE THREAD (omg datz alotta data! lolz) these were the only 2 screenshots I could find of 2hers on anything above merit lvl. I'm gonna agree with Judai on this one and hold off on the bitching till more tests are done, because IDK BUT, I think more then 2 goddamn screenshots and 4 ws are required to have anything solid. And also if you haven't noticed, a lot of other shit is broken too. If it's really that big of a deal for lvl diff on 2h ws most likely something will be done when the other shit gets patched.

If you looked through 5 pages and that's all you seen you are either:

A. An idiot or....

B. Blind as a fucking bat

Since Kael and Wolfknight both gave numerous pics of shitty WS damage on Birds. So not only am I wrong, the 2 guys who posted the pics you had are wrong, plus these other two guys, plus numerous people all across every FFXI message board. Yes, it's a grand conspiracy to fool you and Judai. Nothing has been nerfed, you guys got it all figured out.

reading is hard isn't it? One more time...a little slower... and this time, do try your very best not to be a complete retard ok? Don't worry, I've even made it easier just4you.



btw, Kael and Wolfknight gave pics of ws on imps and bunnies. The ws dmg on birds, yea, that was uh, me.

[Ryko]

I just find it kind of funny that the screenshot of DRK damage is pretty much a chump player from fairy that plays in a shell that isn't exactly renown for their amazing melees (2 players off the top of my head are downright respectable, the 6/0 from ashy is with a mandau, just putting it into perspective here) the SAM WSes arent bad but that hit for hit is pretty horrible.

[hexagram23]

..wut ?

to make my point, within this whole entire FIVE PAGE THREAD (omg datz alotta data! lolz) these were the only 2 screenshots I could find of 2hers on anything above merit lvl. I'm gonna agree with Judai on this one and hold off on the bitching till more tests are done, because IDK BUT, I think more then 2 goddamn screenshots and 4 ws are required to have anything solid. And also if you haven't noticed, a lot of other shit is broken too. If it's really that big of a deal for lvl diff on 2h ws most likely something will be done when the other shit gets patched.

If you looked through 5 pages and that's all you seen you are either:

A. An idiot or....

B. Blind as a fucking bat

Since Kael and Wolfknight both gave numerous pics of shitty WS damage on Birds. So not only am I wrong, the 2 guys who posted the pics you had are wrong, plus these other two guys, plus numerous people all across every FFXI message board. Yes, it's a grand conspiracy to fool you and Judai. Nothing has been nerfed, you guys got it all figured out.

reading is hard isn't it? One more time...a little slower... and this time, do try your very best not to be a complete retard ok? Don't worry, I've even made it easier just4you.

I don't understand your point. Shitty damage is shitty damage. You got people landing 150 damage Spinning Slashes on Fafnir, SAMs hitting Fafnir for 0 damage, and then a seperate group complaining about their damage on VT Birds, Imps, Too Weak Rabbits, etc.. How broad a spectrum do you need, to admit there is a problem? Not only is HNM damage off, merit mob damage is off too....why ignore one to focus on the other? It's all part of the same problem, SE somehow fucked up the damage calculations.

I swear it's like you guys are putting your head in the sand and I have no idea why. If this wasn't an issue it wouldn't be getting discussed across the 'net. What do we have to gain by saying "SE fucked up", when they didn't?

[Judai]

so... lets get this straight, does 2h weapon worse now than pre-boost?

i'll see for myself when i finish update, though i'm not convinced that the nerf is THAT bad.

edit: SAM4life 8)

No. It's just not broken anymore, at least that's how it looks to me atm. You won't be breaking off huge numbers and the WSs seem to vary a bit more now. It seems pretty balanced from what I can but like I said before, not much has been tested and the only solid info so far is from TW,EP and Merit Mobs with a couple pics on HNMs.

@Hexagram; Obviously, you don't read any of the posts that show you people actually hitting decent numbers or anything that disagrees with your end of the world ranting. Ryko even just stated the DRK that is shown posting the SS on Fafnir is a sub-par DRK. You have one, known sub-par DRK posting a shitty WS and one SAM posting a solid WS, both on Fafnir. Obviously, you only like to mention the one that works in your favor though.

The only two things that you even have going for you is shitty damage on TW mobs and shitty damage from someone who doesn't have the best gear for his SAM, no offense to him but he even said it. On the other hand you have 2 other sets of SSs showing solid damage on higher level mobs... Keep living in your fantasy world though screaming and shouting about the end of the 2H world and how everything is so horrible.

Here's your sign; eND oF ThE WorlD Com
tHE aPocalypSe iz HEre!

You remind me of those crazy people in movies on the sides of the streets spouting off and only using the information that helps their arguement. If you don't understand that 2Hs have been pretty broken for months, you just don't get it then. Obviously, some people need to figure out the change in damage calcualtions in order to help people adjust their gear.

Then again, both Saraphym and I stated it's possible it's not working right atm but that it just isn't AS broken as you and others are claiming. Keep freaking out about 3 peoples pictures and some noobs on Alla or KI who think they have pwn gear, maybe that guy who thinks equip swaping is unrealistic is one of the people posting pictures. If you want to rant and rave and freak out then do it on Ki and Alla, here people like to test shit and figure it out usually before screaming, OMG THE SKY IS FALLING. That's the difference of opinions here, people like to check the composite and make-up of the rock and be sure it came from the Sky before saying that's where it fell from.

Now, less bitching about opinions. Let's get more people testing and actually posting pics/parses.

[Wolfknight]

well I did SSR and fucking dam my ws did crap all run doing YGK did shit even with me getting str and most gear early; I was doing like 500 YGK to fomors(with just SJ, hagun, food, str); I did over 1k easily before on these

[Lordwafik]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...kemydamage.png

my friend's pic, lols.

[Ziegus]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...kemydamage.png

my friend's pic, lols.

Rofl.

[Lebzile]

I just find it kind of funny that the screenshot of DRK damage is pretty much a chump player from fairy that plays in a shell that isn't exactly renown for their amazing melees (2 players off the top of my head are downright respectable, the 6/0 from ashy is with a mandau, just putting it into perspective here) the SAM WSes arent bad but that hit for hit is pretty horrible.

I only took it from one of the threads it was posted in, didn't know he was a bad player.

Even so, with his current gear setup, (from what I gathered) even if he is a bad player, his WS shouldn't be doing "constant 150s with a high point of 300," quoted from a poster on KI who watched the fight.

I'm just going by what he said over there.

[Ryko]

I just find it kind of funny that the screenshot of DRK damage is pretty much a chump player from fairy that plays in a shell that isn't exactly renown for their amazing melees (2 players off the top of my head are downright respectable, the 6/0 from ashy is with a mandau, just putting it into perspective here) the SAM WSes arent bad but that hit for hit is pretty horrible.

I only took it from one of the threads it was posted in, didn't know he was a bad player.

Even so, with his current gear setup, (from what I gathered) even if he is a bad player, his WS shouldn't be doing "constant 150s with a high point of 300," quoted from a poster on KI who watched the fight.

I'm just going by what he said over there.

Perfectly understandable, even the dumpiest DRKs should be topping that with regularity. I won't be able to test it myself till the weekend, which by that point it probably won't even matter anymore.

[Lordender]

well just got out of a merit pt as war/sam on birds and can say the damage seems a little more tame than what it was from a few days ago but gaxe was still pwning. I can't really compare it to the last merit pt i had before the change cause the cor fell asleep i usually pt with. I was pleased overall, no complaints here even though those big ws's numbers are more sporadic than before.

[Damonkel]

Really? I am meriting as we speak on war/sam with a fort axe and my ws's will not break 1k most wont break 500 with aggzerk and hasso up ; ;. This is killing me with how much time I have put into this gaxe build. I might have to go back to perdu/joy or man/joy soon. I really want to hear back from other war/sam's and see if this is a fluke. I am currently on g.birds and the only thing keeping me on par with the 2 sams is the insane dot of fort axe.

[Ziegus]

I am currently on g.birds and the only thing keeping me on par with the 2 sams is the insane dot of fort axe.

Does this mean you're meriting in Lufaise? Anyway, I plan to merit on war/sam sometime later today to see the effects of the update since I've been busy at work. I'll try and post some data later today.

[Lebzile]

I am currently on g.birds and the only thing keeping me on par with the 2 sams is the insane dot of fort axe.

Does this mean you're meriting in Lufaise? Anyway, I plan to merit on war/sam sometime later today to see the effects of the update since I've been busy at work. I'll try and post some data later today.

Pretty sure he's talking about Greater Colibri.

[Ziegus]

Oh whoops, yeah that would make sense. I'm so used to calling them greater birds though that it just stuck.

With my Fortitude Axe build I never really broke 1k on Greater Colibri anyway. Not enough to notice that it was consistent at least. I'd average somewhere around 700-800ish with an occasional burst from getting 2 double attacks. Hearing about this update has me worried though.