Elementals

[Maguspk]

Dark elemental on my server has Ice Spikes. They paralyze really well and it's severely annoying for my Chigoe. I am going to add Dispelling Attack to my chigoe to get rid of the spikes hopefully eventually, but my main concern is what is the best way to mitigate spikes damage? Phalanx or Shell. Strictly speaking which negates more damage from the spikes, not asking which is better overall because I know Phalanx works for all types of damage whereas Shell only works for magical. I'm only looking to help my survivability against spikes not take 3 hits to die instead of 2. Thanks.

[neira]

its pretty close, but shell seems to not only lower the dmg, but you also seem to get actually occasions where a straight up resist is present. So if you just looking to mitigate magic dmg, i say shell > phalanx, allbeit phalanx is more universally useful.

I have shell on my chigeo, and he doesnt die from spikes any more, just gets toasted by ensleep mobs =/

[all this is info from pre-wotg, i dunno if anything has been mildly tweeked]

[Maguspk]

Thank you very much :D!

Ok so my Chigoe currently has Petrifying attack but I really think it'll be better to setup a dispel build because I probably won't even be able to do more than 0 damage on this elemental.

So I'm thinking:

* -- Denotes innate


*Attack Speed Bonus
*HP Max+15%
Dispelling Attack 23
Instant Blink 12
Job Trait: Thief 12
Evasion Bonus 30
Instant Shell 17
Total: 94 (6 slots I could improve a skill on)
(Assuming 'Instant Shell' is 17 because it's not on the ffxi wiki)

I was also thinking, I bet Chigoes are a rare case where HP+15% and HP Max Bonus are worse than something like HP Max+50 since thier max HP is so low. At any rate, how does this Chigoe look to ya'll for beating a majority of it's opponents.

[Hashmalum]

I'm wondering whether it would be worthwhile to try to turn a Thunder Elemental into a dedicated mimic killer. The reason I''m thinking this is because Death Trap is damage + stun + poison, and stun is thunder element (and thus should get resisted) and poison is water element (which is weak against thunder and should also get resisted). Also of course thunder nukes are the highest powered. Obviously I'll want Dispelling Attack to get rid of Instant Phalanx/Stoneskin/etc cheese. What else? Would it work?

[Maguspk]

I'm wondering whether it would be worthwhile to try to turn a Thunder Elemental into a dedicated mimic killer. The reason I''m thinking this is because Death Trap is damage + stun + poison, and stun is thunder element (and thus should get resisted) and poison is water element (which is weak against thunder and should also get resisted). Also of course thunder nukes are the highest powered. Obviously I'll want Dispelling Attack to get rid of Instant Phalanx/Stoneskin/etc cheese. What else? Would it work?

Stun outside of the black magic spell is extremely unlikely to be thunder based.

Can anyone answer my above post about the Chigoe setup please?

My Chigoe just dethroned some lvl 38 champ with my 27 Chigoe, so I was thinking I can monopolize the champion status and try to hit 50 and lvl my new build with Dispel up. Should I wait until he's 50 and then try to lvl Dispel build with Evasion stuff or should I just switch it out now since I will probably be able to keep Champion status with mobs the same level as me?

[Maxxthepenguin]

What does "Darkness Attack Bonus" do?

as opposed to "Dark Magic Bonus"?

Elemental Attack Bonus, as I understand it, is like MAB for single elements.

Dark Magic Bonus is + Dark Magic Skill.

Stun outside of the black magic spell is extremely unlikely to be thunder based.

Stun is ALWAYS a thunder based enfeeble. I've tried head butting thunder elementals, it doesn't work.

[Kukri]

Finally beat that mimic last night.
changed around my Light Elemental again.

WHM/
Damge resist bonus **innate**
Instant Phalanx (50)
Divine Magic Bonus
Magic Attack Bonus
Arcana Killer


Finally figured out how to get it to spam higher level White Magic and so it spams Holy, Banishga II, and Dia II.
Basically if it spams Holy more then the others I win. Holy will cast before the Stun hits it and does around 170 damage when Divine Magic and Magic attack are only lvl (7) so i think it shoudl be good when i level it up.

[Maguspk]

Finally beat that mimic last night.
changed around my Light Elemental again.

WHM/
Damge resist bonus **innate**
Instant Phalanx (50)
Divine Magic Bonus
Magic Attack Bonus
Arcana Killer


Finally figured out how to get it to spam higher level White Magic and so it spams Holy, Banishga II, and Dia II.
Basically if it spams Holy more then the others I win. Holy will cast before the Stun hits it and does around 170 damage when Divine Magic and Magic attack are only lvl (7) so i think it shoudl be good when i level it up.

Nice!

Good info, maybe I'll try raising a Light Elemental to deal with the Dark Elemental on my server. Especially since Dark Elementals don't use direct damage spells, I could probably manage to kill it before it killed me hopefully. I can only hope it's Drains and Aspirs wouldn't put me out before I got enough Holys off. How much HP do Elementals have about? Do you think a Light Elemental could beat a Dark Elemental who spams Drain/Aspir/Sleep/Stun?

[Kukri]

Nice!

Good info, maybe I'll try raising a Light Elemental to deal with the Dark Elemental on my server. Especially since Dark Elementals don't use direct damage spells, I could probably manage to kill it before it killed me hopefully. I can only hope it's Drains and Aspirs wouldn't put me out before I got enough Holys off. How much HP do Elementals have about? Do you think a Light Elemental could beat a Dark Elemental who spams Drain/Aspir/Sleep/Stun?

Nope, not a chance.... thats what beats me is anything that spams Drain. It might be a glitch i don't know but it will say "name drains 0hp" but my HP bar drops by like 30% a drain.

[Rocl]

Nice!

Good info, maybe I'll try raising a Light Elemental to deal with the Dark Elemental on my server. Especially since Dark Elementals don't use direct damage spells, I could probably manage to kill it before it killed me hopefully. I can only hope it's Drains and Aspirs wouldn't put me out before I got enough Holys off. How much HP do Elementals have about? Do you think a Light Elemental could beat a Dark Elemental who spams Drain/Aspir/Sleep/Stun?

Nope, not a chance.... thats what beats me is anything that spams Drain. It might be a glitch i don't know but it will say "name drains 0hp" but my HP bar drops by like 30% a drain.

That's how drain works, even if you don't recover HP it does damage.

[Maguspk]

Ok, then the only way to beat a Dark Elemental is to have a Skeleton pet or something I guess. Right?

That way it resists the Drains and Aspirs, maybe a BLM skele with phalanx and stoneskin so it can get some nukes off before the gay Elemental beats it to death and that way it doesn't engage and take spikes damage. Will this work?

[Asdra]

You beat an elemental the same way you beat the jacked up Mimics from a month or 2 ago.

Fast magic damage. Doesn't matter how, chigoe, mandy, whatever you can get to a ridiculous attack speed with a +50 damage enspell. Do it to a neutral element to the common elementals, like thunder or even fire, and goto town.

Either that or a pet with ridiculous petrify rates.

[neira]

before xmas i made a Dark Elemental not expecting great things because of the worse than chigeo HP, but low and behold it does remarkably well.

I put it up before i went out of town, then a friend tells me when i got back that i had over 500wins, then i got emo cause my vacation was 4days and not 3

its an excellent universal pet, huge physical defence, and in most cases drain spam sleep/stun-ing the scary stuff, is more than enugh to combate other caster and enspellers.

Note: thank you SE for not making undead able to be nin or mnk

[Maguspk]

before xmas i made a Dark Elemental not expecting great things because of the worse than chigeo HP, but low and behold it does remarkably well.

I put it up before i went out of town, then a friend tells me when i got back that i had over 500wins, then i got emo cause my vacation was 4days and not 3

its an excellent universal pet, huge physical defence, and in most cases drain spam sleep/stun-ing the scary stuff, is more than enugh to combate other caster and enspellers.

Note: thank you SE for not making undead able to be nin or mnk

Now you understand why I gave up trying to find a counter. I literally can't think of anything...

[neira]

i know of two pets that can take down and elemenal, one is a tweek to any enspelling pets temperment, another i'm not gonna say cause it can one 2shot any elemental >_<

[Maguspk]

i know of two pets that can take down and elemenal, one is a tweek to any enspelling pets temperment, another i'm not gonna say cause it can one 2shot any elemental >_<

fucking tease.

[neira]

[SilverBreeze]

Where do you get a Dispelling Attack plate? I've only heard you can get it from Promathia and someone said you can get it from Kam'launaut, and both of those sound like a fucking pain in the ass >.>

[Graiza]

Efts drop it, the drop rate is pretty meh though, so be prepaired to spend some time at it.

[Graiza]

i know of two pets that can take down and elemenal, one is a tweek to any enspelling pets temperment, another i'm not gonna say cause it can one 2shot any elemental >_<

Think the pets in question are either getting a ghost with MAB and w/e element that ectosmash is tied to as bonuses and then getting it to spam it. I seen elementals get 2 shotted by it. Other probly something that hits twice and hard from the side, like a goob with enspell that circles around maybe.