Scholar Discussion attempt #2

[Valkrish]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted on this.

You can cure-pro-shell accession any party formed not in your own alliance.

I was having fun at Cerberus and accidentally found out i can pull hate when not in the ally with DS Cure IV O_o

[Genosync]

Worked on Campaign mob parties, thanks for the confirmation on normal parties (didn't try it yet).

And yeah, Curaga V == hit the floor. >.>;

[Max™]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted on this.

You can cure-pro-shell accession any party formed not in your own alliance.

I was having fun at Cerberus and accidentally found out i can pull hate when not in the ally with DS Cure IV O_o

Now the interesting question.

If someone forgets Blockaid, and they're fighting a Wyrm, and you DS Cure IV them, and Accession their party, does the CIV hit everyone?

GO GO SCHOLAR IN AERY DRAMA!

[Genosync]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted on this.

You can cure-pro-shell accession any party formed not in your own alliance.

I was having fun at Cerberus and accidentally found out i can pull hate when not in the ally with DS Cure IV O_o

Now the interesting question.

If someone forgets Blockaid, and they're fighting a Wyrm, and you DS Cure IV them, and Accession their party, does the CIV hit everyone?

GO GO SCHOLAR IN AERY DRAMA!

lollllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Spekkio]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted on this.

You can cure-pro-shell accession any party formed not in your own alliance.

I was having fun at Cerberus and accidentally found out i can pull hate when not in the ally with DS Cure IV O_o

Now the interesting question.

If someone forgets Blockaid, and they're fighting a Wyrm, and you DS Cure IV them, and Accession their party, does the CIV hit everyone?

GO GO SCHOLAR IN AERY DRAMA!

damn. that's the exact same thought i had when i read that... there's a good reason i stay the hell away from DA. never lvling mnk, just b/c of that stupid belt and all the hellish items needed to make it. ><

[Aemora]

I went 1/1 on KS99 for Behemoth's Tongue for my Mnk8.

Fag LS won't let me get the other 2 items for quest completage... (not that I actively camp Aspid or Fafnir lawlz)

[rydiu sucks]

Can't figure out my password for my normal account while I'm at work, but anyway -

take your black belt crying out of this thread and get it back on topic, thanks

[Meian]

Is it at all possible that the AF may mention something relating toward Helicies? My only doubt is because you start to get them after you have all the AF. Possibly relating toward weather lasting longer...


After having gotten Geohelix and Hydrohelix, not too impressed with them so far. Hydrohelix on the Diremites in Aydeewa (sp) did about 60 at most and according to wiki they are weak to water. Maybe it'll get better when I start to fight Erucas.

Errant body > Yigit body? Mm ;;

Need more endgame tests!

well

1INT -> 1DMG
1MATK -> 1%DMG

while under 200DMG and diminishing returns not screwing you over 1INT > 1MATK
so meh

I was doing 135ish Geohelices to Eruca. Highest was like 169? with double earth+Ebullience. Modus'd that shit and did like 37% dmg to the mob in no time.

You have to Modus a helix very very fast to get the full damage on it... like even before you see your damage. Remember, the first actual DoT tick kicks in at 2 seconds.

Modus @1s:
Damage
2s: Damagex2
12s: Damagex2
22s: Damagex2

No Modus:
Damage
2s: Damage
repeat x4

So, if you Modus your helix fast enough... you do 7 of the initial damage rather than 6.

But ANYWAY, on to stuff people care about.

Not sure what I am doing wrong then. I do more with Hydrohelix on Erucas in Mount Z and the highest I get on that is 69 at level 63 with Rainstorm. Tried a few times with Ebu. but was still highest. Geohelix resisted a lot.

Think my equip was...
Main: Water Staff + Bugard HQ Grip
Head/Body: Shaman
Neck: Mohbwa (sp) Scarf +1
Cape: Red Cape +1
Hands: Mycophile
Waist: Pent's Rope
Ear1: Moldative
Ear2: Heim's (had it from my Blu)
Ring1: Balurhans (sp) Ring
Ring2: Tamas Ring
Legs: Custom Hume Legs
Feet: Custom Hume Feet
Range: Morion


No merits in Elemental Magic, but capped from my BLM.

[Genosync]

Is it at all possible that the AF may mention something relating toward Helicies? My only doubt is because you start to get them after you have all the AF. Possibly relating toward weather lasting longer...


After having gotten Geohelix and Hydrohelix, not too impressed with them so far. Hydrohelix on the Diremites in Aydeewa (sp) did about 60 at most and according to wiki they are weak to water. Maybe it'll get better when I start to fight Erucas.

Errant body > Yigit body? Mm ;;

Need more endgame tests!

well

1INT -> 1DMG
1MATK -> 1%DMG

while under 200DMG and diminishing returns not screwing you over 1INT > 1MATK
so meh

I was doing 135ish Geohelices to Eruca. Highest was like 169? with double earth+Ebullience. Modus'd that shit and did like 37% dmg to the mob in no time.

You have to Modus a helix very very fast to get the full damage on it... like even before you see your damage. Remember, the first actual DoT tick kicks in at 2 seconds.

Modus @1s:
Damage
2s: Damagex2
12s: Damagex2
22s: Damagex2

No Modus:
Damage
2s: Damage
repeat x4

So, if you Modus your helix fast enough... you do 7 of the initial damage rather than 6.

But ANYWAY, on to stuff people care about.

Not sure what I am doing wrong then. I do more with Hydrohelix on Erucas in Mount Z and the highest I get on that is 69 at level 63 with Rainstorm. Tried a few times with Ebu. but was still highest. Geohelix resisted a lot.

Think my equip was...
Main: Water Staff + Bugard HQ Grip
Head/Body: Shaman
Neck: Mohbwa (sp) Scarf +1
Cape: Red Cape +1
Hands: Mycophile
Waist: Pent's Rope
Ear1: Moldative
Ear2: Heim's (had it from my Blu)
Ring1: Balurhans (sp) Ring
Ring2: Tamas Ring
Legs: Custom Hume Legs
Feet: Custom Hume Feet
Range: Morion


No merits in Elemental Magic, but capped from my BLM.

69? You're getting resisted, or there's some kind of weird tiering we don't understand. Keep in mind those mobs are level 69-75? or something, and a non-merited Elemental Skill is ridiculously low for Scholar.

Either merit that Elemental Magic, or stop nuking. =/

[Meian]

Is it at all possible that the AF may mention something relating toward Helicies? My only doubt is because you start to get them after you have all the AF. Possibly relating toward weather lasting longer...


After having gotten Geohelix and Hydrohelix, not too impressed with them so far. Hydrohelix on the Diremites in Aydeewa (sp) did about 60 at most and according to wiki they are weak to water. Maybe it'll get better when I start to fight Erucas.

Errant body > Yigit body? Mm ;;

Need more endgame tests!

well

1INT -> 1DMG
1MATK -> 1%DMG

while under 200DMG and diminishing returns not screwing you over 1INT > 1MATK
so meh

I was doing 135ish Geohelices to Eruca. Highest was like 169? with double earth+Ebullience. Modus'd that shit and did like 37% dmg to the mob in no time.

You have to Modus a helix very very fast to get the full damage on it... like even before you see your damage. Remember, the first actual DoT tick kicks in at 2 seconds.

Modus @1s:
Damage
2s: Damagex2
12s: Damagex2
22s: Damagex2

No Modus:
Damage
2s: Damage
repeat x4

So, if you Modus your helix fast enough... you do 7 of the initial damage rather than 6.

But ANYWAY, on to stuff people care about.

Not sure what I am doing wrong then. I do more with Hydrohelix on Erucas in Mount Z and the highest I get on that is 69 at level 63 with Rainstorm. Tried a few times with Ebu. but was still highest. Geohelix resisted a lot.

Think my equip was...
Main: Water Staff + Bugard HQ Grip
Head/Body: Shaman
Neck: Mohbwa (sp) Scarf +1
Cape: Red Cape +1
Hands: Mycophile
Waist: Pent's Rope
Ear1: Moldative
Ear2: Heim's (had it from my Blu)
Ring1: Balurhans (sp) Ring
Ring2: Tamas Ring
Legs: Custom Hume Legs
Feet: Custom Hume Feet
Range: Morion


No merits in Elemental Magic, but capped from my BLM.

69? You're getting resisted, or there's some kind of weird tiering we don't understand. Keep in mind those mobs are level 69-75? or something, and a non-merited Elemental Skill is ridiculously low for Scholar.

Either merit that Elemental Magic, or stop nuking. =/

Was the only idea I could think of. However, my Water III was going unresisted fairly often. About 2k from 64, I'll try then with the Druid Slops and see how it goes prolly in the morning.

[Aemora]

Can't figure out my password for my normal account while I'm at work, but anyway -

take your black belt crying out of this thread and get it back on topic, thanks

And I suppose talking about Quick Steps is all about the Scholar!

HYPOCRITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

Meanwhile, I can't decide if I should go passed Lv50 atm... Wait til AF comes out, or get Lv55 and finish the Weather spells and Cure4 for Campaign awesome, or fk it and go all the way :/

[Seigfried Of Pandy]

Can't figure out my password for my normal account while I'm at work, but anyway -

take your black belt crying out of this thread and get it back on topic, thanks

And I suppose talking about Quick Steps is all about the Scholar!

HYPOCRITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

Meanwhile, I can't decide if I should go passed Lv50 atm... Wait til AF comes out, or get Lv55 and finish the Weather spells and Cure4 for Campaign awesome, or fk it and go all the way :/

i say wait just incase they give sch a buff so you dont have to get pissed think i lvled like a gimp for 5-25 levels

[Genosync]

And I suppose talking about Quick Steps is all about the Scholar!

HYPOCRITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

I don't think I've found a single post in this whole thread that involves me talking about Quickstep... much less this entire forum.

But whatever.

Scholar's also an interesting option for PLing a PT, but only for the fact of being able to Curaga while outside the PT. Meh. Not really amazing but a use nonetheless.

[Toth]

If you play SCH as a main healer, you won't feel yourself gimped honestly. I feel overpowered as a healer

It's more of the nuking side that, while potent, does feel a bit gimped after 60. My Thunder IIIs do hit for around 600 though with only average gear (at 75, I probably could get that to 800).

[Kaisha]

If you play SCH as a main healer, you won't feel yourself gimped honestly. I feel overpowered as a healer

This is how I'm feeling currently, until I remember Accession->Cure3 isn't the smartest thing to do at *all* after a mob AoEs.

[Genosync]

I'd rather have a rdm and more refresh jobs than a scholar in a tank party.

[Toth]

If you play SCH as a main healer, you won't feel yourself gimped honestly. I feel overpowered as a healer

This is how I'm feeling currently, until I remember Accession->Cure3 isn't the smartest thing to do at *all* after a mob AoEs.

Use Curaga (or even if reallllly careful Curaga II) if you sub /whm. It's less hate.

[Genosync]

If you play SCH as a main healer, you won't feel yourself gimped honestly. I feel overpowered as a healer

This is how I'm feeling currently, until I remember Accession->Cure3 isn't the smartest thing to do at *all* after a mob AoEs.

Use Curaga (or even if reallllly careful Curaga II) if you sub /whm. It's less hate.

You sure about that? ('cause I don't recall curaga giving you less enmity per hp cured than cure does)

Or are you just going off a feeling?

Benefit of Curaga rather than Acc-Cure: Doesn't use strategem, faster

[Kenji]

Having read the entire thread, it seems Scholar as a healer is fine for most of it's leveling career. As a subjob, it works well for WHM, and situationally, for RDM, SMN, BLM. Nuking seems decent, but lacks a certian "oomph". In as few words as possible, the issues would be:

Spell list -
Not quite enough spells. Needs a few more to really be viable. Some possible suggestions: burn/choke/etc. line, haste, stoneskin/blink, refresh, regain?

Helix -
Not quite enough damage for merit/xp parties. Increasing damage or lowering tick rate as possible solutions?

Strategem -
Too limited, as each JA takes from the same charge pool? Perhaps a way to allow use of them more often, but without being overpowered?

[Genosync]

Having read the entire thread, it seems Scholar as a healer is fine for most of it's leveling career. As a subjob, it works well for WHM, and situationally, for RDM, SMN, BLM. Nuking seems decent, but lacks a certian "oomph". In as few words as possible, the issues would be:

Spell list -
Not quite enough spells. Needs a few more to really be viable. Some possible suggestions: burn/choke/etc. line, haste, stoneskin/blink, refresh, regain?

Helix -
Not quite enough damage for merit/xp parties. Increasing damage or lowering tick rate as possible solutions?

Strategem -
Too limited, as each JA takes from the same charge pool? Perhaps a way to allow use of them more often, but without being overpowered?

didn't I post all this about 20 posts ago?