Scholar Discussion attempt #2

[Gilthas]

I was surprised too.

But SE also touted that /SCH would allow WHMs to land Aspir. If Dark Arts didn't bump Dark magic skill to a 200+ rating it would do nothing for WHMs casting Aspir.

Edit: I didn't follow up on that post though. Don't know if anyone posted anything about it being a glitch or if SE fixed it.

[LD]

....seems like SE made Scholar into a great sub job... -_-

hmmm.....only saving grace would be RR-ga or maybe Regen-ga, but only if it somehow gets Regen 3...

[Gilthas]

Well for WHMs and maybe for RDMs.

Looks like crap for BLM. I was actually considering using it on BLM for stuff with high resistance to see if the loss of Stoneskin/Blink was acceptable, but apparently if your native magic skill is already higher than B+, Darks arts does nothing.

[Kimiko]

Does anyone have a firm figure on Tabula Rasa's skill increase. Early testing suggests increase of 10-15% percent, but I need higher skill levels to verify these results.

[Pergo]

Does anyone have a firm figure on Tabula Rasa's skill increase. Early testing suggests increase of 10-15% percent, but I need higher skill levels to verify these results.

Tabula Rasa is a 2hr that acts like chainspell for your stratagems, they don't boost skill anymore than normal. normal arts are 10% increase not including merits or gear

[Popsiclestick]

I thought that was a glitch, why would a job that normally has 0 points in a skill suddenly be given a B ranking when even Scholar starts with all Ds and that guy JUST said it was based on a percentage?

75WHM/17SCH

Divine 266 (uncapped)
Healing 273 (uncapped)
Enhancing 230
Enfeebling 231 (3 merits)
Elemental 47 (sub)
Dark 47 (sub)

75WHM/17SCH
with Dark Arts
Divine 266
Healing 273
Enhancing 230
Enfeebling 262
Elemental 246
Dark 246

What is noticeable is the jump in enfeebling on WHM from C to B. Anything over B was not lowered. This makes sense since Scholar has D skill in the spell category skills, but with the either Dark or Light arts, it bumps it to B skill.

[Pergo]

oh so i guess its not a 10% increase... seemed so concrete for 30 levels

[BRP]

...........He was talking about the LEVEL FORTY JA.

It's the LE-VEL FIF-TY FIIIIVVVVEEE that makes (white: healing & enhancing, black: enfeebling) spells -Ga.

So how am I wrong about what I said? About how it's obvious he wouldn't get a -ga effect out of the level 40 JA?

I'm sorry but this is wrong. The level forty Strategems (Accession and Manifestation) make spells into "ga" types.

The level 55 JA increase potency.

My SCH is level 44, I can show you if you like..

OOPS.


So who's the highest level Scholar around atm? Any 75s yet?

[Priran]

Either the Campaign scholars are special, or we'll have access to the teir4 nukes like the one I had was casting.

I saw campaign PLDs casting Aga IIIs and tier IVs, and a campaign SCH summoning pets. I'd take anything they do with a grain of salt.

[Toth]

My SCH is up to 44 atm, I just wanted to post some general info about the weather buffs and Accession.

I only have Sandstorm and Rainstorm so far, they cost 30 MP each, last for 2 minutes, and have a 2 minute recast.

Pretty much any spells seem to work with Accession, including Blink (so I assume Stoneskin, and Phalanx when /rdm will work as well) however Raise does not. Gathered a bunch of low level corpses outside windy and was pretty dissapointed when only 1 got up.

I'm not going to make any judgements about the job so far, although I'm a little surprised about the 2minute recast on the weather buffs.

Thank you,
Kohana^^

So Cure II and III become Curaga II and III? What about Cure IV?

[dyluck]

this is an awesome boost to RDM who sub SCH. With dark arts and some gear I was at 260 dark magic, which easily breaks the previously unbreakable (without full merits) 250 dark skill tier for bio.

[Kohanacat]

My SCH is up to 44 atm, I just wanted to post some general info about the weather buffs and Accession.

I only have Sandstorm and Rainstorm so far, they cost 30 MP each, last for 2 minutes, and have a 2 minute recast.

Pretty much any spells seem to work with Accession, including Blink (so I assume Stoneskin, and Phalanx when /rdm will work as well) however Raise does not. Gathered a bunch of low level corpses outside windy and was pretty dissapointed when only 1 got up.

I'm not going to make any judgements about the job so far, although I'm a little surprised about the 2minute recast on the weather buffs.

Thank you,
Kohana^^

So Cure II and III become Curaga II and III? What about Cure IV?

I don't have Cure IV yet so I'm not sure, but I would assume it works like the other Cure spells do. Accession > Cure 3 will cast Cure 3 on everyone in your party (but it does not change the name of the spell to any sort of "curaga", just Cure 3 everyone). This also works well with Divine Seal. So it is basically just like Curaga but a different name.

This will sound silly, but I did try once using Accession with Curaga, it just had no effect, but I think the charge was consumed. However When I tried Accession --> Raise, the Accession buff was not consumed, just remained on until it wore off. I'll have to double check on Curaga though.

[Toth]

The ability of a Scholar to cast Cure III and IV on everyone in the party once every 4 mins or 3 times/12 minutes is certainly impressive. Throw in Divine Seal for extra oomph and you have one heck of a healer. The question now is whether the SCH gets enmity values for just one Cure or for all 6 Cures.

[Spender]

Hmm. So then with SCH, white magic enfeebles (and black magic enhancing spells, but whatever) don't get full benefits like other spells, because you either have to pay more for them and cast them slower but get the skill buff, or forgo the skill buff but get the cost and casting speed benefit and can use strategems on them. Also, no Paralyzega or Slowga.

I'm assuming people will just suck it up and cast Para/Slow under Dark Arts for SCH main because D rank is lol. Kinda lame, but probably not going to totally gimp them as enfeeblers. Interesting that the spells they can't provide the most benefit to are staple spells for the other "blended" mage.

[Toth]

Paralyze is like 10 mp under Dark Arts and casts reasonably fast regardless. Not sure about slow yet. Though really, it's not that much of an issue tbh.

[thestalkmore]

this is an awesome boost to RDM who sub SCH. With dark arts and some gear I was at 260 dark magic, which easily breaks the previously unbreakable (without full merits) 250 dark skill tier for bio.

but that means no /nin so whooooooo caressssss :>

[Cairthenn]

If RDM goes /NIn for everything solo then they're doing it wrong.

[Isiolia]

If RDM goes /NIn for everything solo then they're doing it wrong.

Perhaps, but there are very few solos that both involve DoT/kiting and not being /NIN...and AFAIK they'd favor /BLU for Cocoon then. So I think it's a valid point.

[safer]

My SCH is up to 44 atm, I just wanted to post some general info about the weather buffs and Accession.

I only have Sandstorm and Rainstorm so far, they cost 30 MP each, last for 2 minutes, and have a 2 minute recast.

Pretty much any spells seem to work with Accession, including Blink (so I assume Stoneskin, and Phalanx when /rdm will work as well) however Raise does not. Gathered a bunch of low level corpses outside windy and was pretty dissapointed when only 1 got up.

I'm not going to make any judgements about the job so far, although I'm a little surprised about the 2minute recast on the weather buffs.

Thank you,
Kohana^^

where the dead people all in your party? or no?

[Not Kuno]

Edited first post with Spells, JA + JT for easy reference.