Scholar Discussion attempt #2

[Judai]

Well I watched Zolku-Azolku using it against Yagudo and it was doing 2-300 intial dot. Their ga3 was doing over 2k. So idk, NPCs kinda do shit whacky anyways, wasn't really something I was using to prove anyone wrong. Just saying I've seen it do very good Intial damage. We are gonna have to just wait and see how it goes for real players.

[Kiera]

With dark or light arts active you have lowered cast time and lowered recasts in addition to the skill bonuses & lowered mp cost.

My 75RDM/12SCH's stoneskin was going off at ~42% with light arts active & AF2 Body & AF1 hat on. Non-/sch seemed to be about 52% with that setup. With dark arts active casting time & recast on light category spells was horrendous.

[Evelyn]

either way, we have to keep in mind these are NPCs and not actual players. They may have markedly better stats than the average SCH will ever see. Still gonna wait for an actual 61 SCH before I judge.

[Priran]

Well I watched Zolku-Azolku using it against Yagudo and it was doing 2-300 intial dot. Their ga3 was doing over 2k.

Well there's your problem. This taru obviously had some ridiculous MAB buff, the Bastokan SCH I was watching only did around 700 with Firaga III.

[Judai]

Well I watched Zolku-Azolku using it against Yagudo and it was doing 2-300 intial dot. Their ga3 was doing over 2k. So idk, NPCs kinda do shit whacky anyways, wasn't really something I was using to prove anyone wrong. Just saying I've seen it do very good Intial damage. We are gonna have to just wait and see how it goes for real players.

[Lordwafik]

Crossposting what I said on KI about this job :

The more I play this job, the more I feel it's more of a DD than it is a support role.

True, we have acccess to all them nifty cures, and having levelled both BLM and RDM, I feel exactly how I did when I was levelling BLM. I won't mind curing when it's required from me, but I'm playing this job as a BLM. We get our spells a tad later than BLM, but far earlier than RDM.

The way I see it, this job can to parties who need the extra BLM but not many/any BLM seeking. I'm sure it changes past 50 when DoTs get thrown in the mix, but at such a heavy price

Had we been given haste then no doubt it'd have been locked onto the "White mage" role of the party, but we don't have that, nor do we even have basic heals, we're just cure bots or nuke bots really, and later on weather/dot bots

Enjoying this job muchly, a tad annoyed at the whole "No sky/sea/salvage/limbus" gear though.

We players were quick to pidgeonhole it into the next healer, simply because it has those spells. Many people are ignoring the fact that the job gets it's nukes only a slight bit after BLM up untill the t4 nukes. I can see this being a magical DD job in exp pts, obviously on NMs they'd probably be saught more for their weather/DoT.

Granted I'm only level 13, and my opinion will change a lot as I level, but I think the magic damage could be nice with proper setup. We don't have MaB trait that BLM gets though, but you will if you /blm.

[evilpaul]

How do Elemental/Enfeebling merits affect the SCH skill caps w/ Dark Arts?

[Kimiko]

How do Elemental/Enfeebling merits affect the SCH skill caps w/ Dark Arts?

Currently SCH12/WHM06 w/ fully merited elemental and enfeebling

With Dark Arts active

Divine 31
Enhancing 31
Healing 31
Dark Magic 34
Enfeebling 36
Elemental 36

[Kimiko]

With dark or light arts active you have lowered cast time and lowered recasts in addition to the skill bonuses & lowered mp cost.

My 75RDM/12SCH's stoneskin was going off at ~42% with light arts active & AF2 Body & AF1 hat on. Non-/sch seemed to be about 52% with that setup. With dark arts active casting time & recast on light category spells was horrendous.

So in effect, right now dark/light arts gives fast cast + reduced casting cost + the skill increases by dafault? Am I correct in this ascertion?

[Priran]

Well I watched Zolku-Azolku using it against Yagudo and it was doing 2-300 intial dot. Their ga3 was doing over 2k. So idk, NPCs kinda do shit whacky anyways, wasn't really something I was using to prove anyone wrong. Just saying I've seen it do very good Intial damage. We are gonna have to just wait and see how it goes for real players.

Yeah, you've seen it do good damage when the NPC has MAB+9001. Why the fuck even bother posting, then? It's never going to be possible for a PC SCH to emulate and it's completely irrelevant.

[Genosync]

Well I watched Zolku-Azolku using it against Yagudo and it was doing 2-300 intial dot. Their ga3 was doing over 2k. So idk, NPCs kinda do shit whacky anyways, wasn't really something I was using to prove anyone wrong. Just saying I've seen it do very good Intial damage. We are gonna have to just wait and see how it goes for real players.

Yeah, you've seen it do good damage when the NPC has MAB+9001. Why the fuck even bother posting, then? It's never going to be possible for a PC SCH to emulate and it's completely irrelevant.

Because at least it's data that we didn't have and gives us a semi-impression of what the possibilities are.

Would you really rather have nothing at all? I wouldn't.

[Evelyn]

Well I watched Zolku-Azolku using it against Yagudo and it was doing 2-300 intial dot. Their ga3 was doing over 2k. So idk, NPCs kinda do shit whacky anyways, wasn't really something I was using to prove anyone wrong. Just saying I've seen it do very good Intial damage. We are gonna have to just wait and see how it goes for real players.

yeah saw that after I made my post :/

[Judai]

Well I watched Zolku-Azolku using it against Yagudo and it was doing 2-300 intial dot. Their ga3 was doing over 2k. So idk, NPCs kinda do shit whacky anyways, wasn't really something I was using to prove anyone wrong. Just saying I've seen it do very good Intial damage. We are gonna have to just wait and see how it goes for real players.

Yeah, you've seen it do good damage when the NPC has MAB+9001. Why the fuck even bother posting, then? It's never going to be possible for a PC SCH to emulate and it's completely irrelevant.

Or maybe my point was we won't know until a real player is high enough to use them. Maybe your NPC was gimp as fuck and sucked? Why did you post a NPC's damage when we all know NPCs don't follow the same rules as players? Obviously, I stated quite clearly that the NPC was owning with other spells and that it wasn't likely but I was merely stating not to rule out the posibilty that the spells could do some damage. Or you can just be a retarded jackass and think only you and your NPC know anything about the spell no actual player has used yet.

Quite obviosuly, the potential for the spells to do damage is there, whether it be an extra 100 damage from /blm and MAB gear or an extra 300 damage from 9001 MAB. It's not like I said, OMG THE SPELLS DO A TON BECAUSE THIS ONE NPC WAS SO PWN AND DID SO MUCH DMG, YOU ARE WRONG. I merely pointed out a different result I have seen. Try unbunching your panties and taking the stick out of your ass tyvm.

[Priran]

Or maybe my point was we won't know until a real player is high enough to use them. Maybe your NPC was gimp as fuck and sucked? Why did you post a NPC's damage when we all know NPCs don't follow the same rules as players? Obviously, I stated quite clearly that the NPC was owning with other spells and that it wasn't likely but I was merely stating not to rule out the posibilty that the spells could do some damage. Or you can just be a retarded jackass and think only you and your NPC know anything about the spell no actual player has used yet.

Way to cop out. Obviously, since we don't know, we can't just say "hey that NPC just did three times the damage a PC would do with the same spell, let's just assume that using its damage on a spell in the same family as a benchmark is fucking retarded"? It doesn't matter how much an overbuffed Campaign NPC could "possibly" do with a Helix because no one is an overbuffed Campaign NPC. It's doubly retarded because the initial damage is obviously always going to be shit and most of the damage is going to come from DoT.

[Ambir]

It's kinda nice getting some info about Scholar.

Do you think we could try not to get this thread locked too?

[Judai]

Or maybe my point was we won't know until a real player is high enough to use them. Maybe your NPC was gimp as fuck and sucked? Why did you post a NPC's damage when we all know NPCs don't follow the same rules as players? Obviously, I stated quite clearly that the NPC was owning with other spells and that it wasn't likely but I was merely stating not to rule out the posibilty that the spells could do some damage. Or you can just be a retarded jackass and think only you and your NPC know anything about the spell no actual player has used yet.

Way to cop out. Obviously, since we don't know, we can't just say "hey that NPC just did three times the damage a PC would do with the same spell, let's just assume that using its damage on a spell in the same family as a benchmark is fucking retarded"? It doesn't matter how much an overbuffed Campaign NPC could "possibly" do with a Helix because no one is an overbuffed Campaign NPC. It's doubly retarded because the initial damage is obviously always going to be shit and most of the damage is going to come from DoT.

Think whatever you want man. From the little bit of info I posted you can safely assume that MAB or INT or maybe even Weather(cause omg SE said this) could boost the initial damage unlike some dot spells. Not sure where I "coped out" since everytime I clearly stated it was from NPCs and everyone and their mother knows NPCs go by their own rules. Not only that but I never said you were wrong about it possibly doing shit dmg. I'm sure you were able to gauge the 1% dot accuratly though while the other 10 NPCs + however many normal players whacked away at the mob. Or did you kindly ask the players and NPCs to back off so that you could gauge the effect the dot spell had? Keep acting like you know everything though.

btw, my aga3s can easily close in on 2k damage and my AM2s easily go over 2k dmg. All without MBs. Of course, that's on my BLM that has MAB+9001...

[Rocl]

Unless you have some real data w/ the helix spells kindly stop the pointless speculation, and stop the arguing about it.

[kuronosan]

So is the B-cap skill at 75 a glitch?

[Judai]

No. That is how it was intended. I don't get why people think it's a bug.

[kuronosan]

Because it's undeniably too awesome.