Blu-ray or HD DVD?

[Exoduso]

The one thing bluray has over HD-DVD is the PS3... like the console or not, it's a deciding factor, and since it's not as expensive as conventional HD-DVD/Bluray players that are standalone, people prefer getting the PS3 and scoring a bluray on the way.

HD-DVD was doomed to fail when M$ refused to put it in the 360 Elite. (and hell, maybe even from the get go.. but if it was built into the Elite it might've still been in the game.)

[Kaisha]

Any ideas on what the next media format battle will be?

Only thing I can think of that may become a reality are HVDs, but that's a bit of a ways off from now.
(just need Hideo Kojima to complain that there's not enough diskspace on BluRay and move onto a larger storage format for MGS5....he can't possibly fill a 3.9 terabyte disc)

[Mysterio]

HD-DVD was doomed to fail when M$ refused to put it in the 360 Elite. (and hell, maybe even from the get go.. but if it was built into the Elite it might've still been in the game.)

It didn't doom it by not being mandated in the 360. It certainly didn't help it much in comparison to Sony forcing it down our throats.

HD-DVD was doomed when it came out with almost half the storage a blu-ray has, thats when it was doomed.

The reason it was mandated in the PS3 is because all the games were on blu-rays as well. The 360 was out and the games were on DVD well before HD-DVD came out. So it just wouldn't be practical in that sense to change the entire formats. And not to mention it goes against MS's motto of offering the consumer "choice" if they force fed the HD player onto us.

[Nyima]

And not to mention it goes against MS's motto of offering the consumer "choice" if they force fed the HD player onto us.

This is a joke right? It has to be.

The whole "must have Vista to use DirectX 10" isn't much of a choice. Neither is "must have Vista to play Halo 2." Unless you hack it to high hell.

[Kuya]

And not to mention it goes against MS's motto of offering the consumer "choice" if they force fed the HD player onto us.

This is a joke right? It has to be.

The whole "must have Vista to use DirectX 10" isn't much of a choice. Neither is "must have Vista to play Halo 2." Unless you hack it to high hell.

I think that's why he typed out "choice".

[Starfire]

Blu-Ray 100%
The fact that disney and warner bro's said they are exclusivly backing Blu-Ray says it all.
And I also read somewhere in 1up.com that Microsoft said that they might make a Blu-Ray add-on, or it was they didn't deny that they might.
In the movie industry, from what I read, most people say Blu-Ray is the better choise over HD-DVD.
So, there is no way in hell I'll buy a HD-DVD player... lol

[melbufrauma]

CES 2008: Microsoft Won't Rule Out Blu-Ray Drive
Microsoft has never been entirely against releasing a Blu-ray add-on for Xbox 360 -- Peter Moore said as much two years ago -- but the company has been staunch supporter of HD-DVD, so they've so far limited HD-DVD as the high-def disc alternative on Xbox 360. With the announcement that Warner Bros. is now Blu-ray exclusive and analysts predicting the end of the format war, however, what's Microsoft's stance now?

During CES 2008, 1UP had the chance to speak at length with Jeff Bell, VP of Global Marketing for Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Division, where he discussed his reaction -- and hinted at Microsoft's future intentions -- for HD-DVD and Blu-ray.

"We were disappointed with the announcement. It has a consequence. I will tell you that we are committed to HD-DVD and still have some great partners -- Universal, Paramount, DreamWorks -- these are great participants in the format," said Bell, before taking a jab at PlayStation 3. "We have sold very well the HD-DVD accessory. We did make a specific choice; we did not impose technology on our consumers. We would like choice to be our guiding principle, and it has worked for us. We're not demanding that people choose a format, but rather, we're with DVD in the Xbox 360."

At the same time, Bell recognizes that Sony and Microsoft already work together in some arenas. "You know, interestingly, we have a long history of partnership with Sony. Obviously, they run our software on their personal computers and other devices, so we have a 'coopetition' -- a word I learned at Microsoft when I joined. We've been talking to Blu-ray all along because we have the best piece of software in the business, called HDi. It is the backbone that powers interactivity in HD-DVD and we have that available to potentially partner with others."

"You never say never. I think we'd like to see how things evolve. Our commitment, however, to HD-DVD is profound and consistent, and we have done very, very well in term of our accessory sales. We have 400 HD-DVD movies from great studios available," concluded Bell. "It's a long time between now and June."

[Exoduso]

we did not impose technology on our consumers.

I thought that was funny... was that really necessary? obviously it hasn't worked for them and it HAS worked for Sony.

[Kaisha]

we did not impose technology on our consumers.

I thought that was funny... was that really necessary? obviously it hasn't worked for them and it HAS worked for Sony.

I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually did impose an HD/BluRay addon. It's not unlike they already have essentially with the HDD, albeit one can argue with that.

[Pyro]

we did not impose technology on our consumers.

I thought that was funny... was that really necessary? obviously it hasn't worked for them and it HAS worked for Sony.

Especially if the chart that VGChartz put out a week or so ago is anything to go off of even though some people claim the numbers are randomly generated.

http://www.techvat.com/wp-content/2008sincelaunch.jpg

[Mysterio]

I thought it was pretty common knowledge it's basically equalled 360's pace since inception.

Wait till the big games come out.

[arus2001]

Yeah, the PS3's been a pretty solid unit. The only issue is its library has been pretty slim. Was kind of funny, my old man was tinkering with it the other day and was like, "Holy shit, this does a lot of stuff." Granted, I have no interest in using mine as a photo center or MP3 storage device, and so on down the line, the option is there for people. We've also gone through like 3 HD-DVD players because we almost inevitably find a movie or three that some outright refuse to play, but the new unit will. PS3's been rather reliable on movies outside of maybe a skip due to a scratched disc.

[Semitry]

we did not impose technology on our consumers.

I thought that was funny... was that really necessary? obviously it hasn't worked for them and it HAS worked for Sony.

Especially if the chart that VGChartz put out a week or so ago is anything to go off of even though some people claim the numbers are randomly generated.

If VGChartzz were legit, they'd be used by legit gaming sites, but you'll never see a gaming site source vgchartzz because it's bullshit. Most gaming sites would have exploded if the ps3 outsold the 360 in Dec (still possible but no one knows yet). They've had a bad history of predicting then altering their predictions to match/close to real numbers. However the chart you posted is probably legit since their old data is generated from legit #s from NPD/mediacreate/charttrack.

Bluray didn't win because it was the superior format, it won because Sony was willing to sacrifice their dominant gaming division, and willing to acquire a movie studio to win. Without the PS3, bluray would have lost, superior format and all. Probably a good move in the long run, depending on how long it takes Digital Distribution to take over.

[Exoduso]

Meh, the PS3's problem is that it's too damn hard to design games for it (RIGHT NOW, that will eventually change once developers learn how to work around it), which caused the delay with so many titles and had the PS3 standing in the rain fucking naked for months (No, Resistance was not enough and no, Motorstorm wasn't a big title even though everyone was jumping at the idea that finally there's a "big title" coming to the PS3..)

Notice how all the big dogs on the PS3 right now are 1st party games (Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Lair, Uncharted, Ratchet, Folklore, Motorstorm, etc.).. There are virtually no AA titles out for the PS3 right now that are 3rd party. Once those games actually arrive I believe the PS3 will pick up, since it has no reason not to.

It won't die like the dreamcast because Sony is too powerful for that to happen.. So yeah, gotta suffer through waiting for FF and MGS, but so what? I completely understand people buying a 360 over the PS3 though, since it has a bigger library and if they can only afford one, and it's only legitimate that they'd go with the bigger library.

[Semitry]

Wrong thread Exo!

[Exoduso]

Not really, referring to that chart heh.

[GraveRobberX]

Digital Distribution

Why does everyone think this is just around the corner?

I think Digital Distribution is still a long time away..maybe 10+ years away

In the US Internet Speed = a commodity, and not a necessity because of big business

I mean Japan has T1+ speed, hell they have G3 (soon to be G4 I think), but over in the good ol' US we are still stuck in the "Broadband" age, Cable <=> DSL debate of 2003

I think Discs will still be around for along fn time

I will stay old school, unless its the only option of just haveing a virtual copy due to Digital Distribution, but I would like a physical copy of what ever I have so atleast I can see it, touch it, and can get something in return for it

[Mysterio]

Wrong thread Exo!

lol no no keep it here.
Nothing he said is relevant, it may have been back in Nov 06, not now.

[Exoduso]

Wrong thread Exo!

lol no no keep it here.
Nothing he said is relevant, it may have been back in Nov 06, not now.

The same shit that applied in 2006 still applies now. It just means that they've made no progress.

[Mysterio]

then stop praising uncharted and get off the bandwagon.

wish you didn't own all three systems. Because in your mind it somehow gives you a right to whine about anything and everything that doesn't entertain you to your liking, lol