Little disappointing?

[sekaran]

I'm having a blast doing Campaign. I have to resort to a melee RDM/NIN most of the time, but its still awesome.

The initial day or two was quite.. tedious I agree. Tons of walking around, etc.. but since then I've collected the 9 Maws, done all the quests, and have a nice stable of Allied Notes to warp me from place to place as needed.

[Eldelphia]

FFS. I’ve never heard such a bunch of whining by peeps who should know better. You guys have played this game for years and whether we like it or not we’re all hooked.

SE just never releases all the freaking content at once. Hell, I think they just want us to figure out there is a past, how to get to it and what Campaign is. Right now we don’t know jack about the longer term progression of this expansion – and it was the same for the others.

I didn’t want anymore freaking merit zones, we have a heap already. That’s what ToAU did. I agree some more NMs always make things interesting… for about 10 minutes until people kill them. I’m sure, they’ll appear.

I’m sorry, but we don’t pay for each update in this game, never have so stop fucking bitching about the money. If you don’t like it, stop freaking playing.

It is far to early to bitch about the new jobs, the new zones or in fact anything with confidence. I don’t really want content I can solve in 2 weeks flat thanks. I don’t want everything handed to me on a plate.

Whining because it doesn’t have the toys you want RIGHT NOW is like listening to a bunch of freaking toddlers. If you had everything now, you’d be whining in two weeks you were bored.

Transport options… get your maws, sign up for Campaign and you can go anywhere. Bit like the runic portals. I’m sure chocos will be along in a while, there are choco peeps in each city. Hell sign up, do your first quest and get the movement speed shoes. Instead of sitting in Whitegate bitching how it’s too much trouble.

I’ve only dabbled in Campaign so far, as well as the missions. It seems obvious to me that this is only an introduction and quite frankly, I’m fine with that. I’ll do what I can, I’ll work out what Campaign means, I’ll go explore, level the new jobs etc and get on with it. So that when the next update happens I won’t be like half the people I see bitching on here and have to play catchup.

There are still people I know bitching that they can’t do Salvage or Limbus because all they did is sit and whine instead of getting on with with their missions.

SE doesn’t hand you things on a plate. Accept that.

[Max™]

Au Exploring: Oh shit, True Sight mob, fuck.. I'm dead.

WoTG Exploring: Oh shit, bunch of Sight aggro mobs and... oh shit, a path where I can avoid em, awesome I'm gonna keep going... oh shit, aggro... wait, it can't catch me, awesome. I'll just hit the next zoneline to... oh my god, look at this beautiful fucking area. Good job SE. /wave Pixie

CoP Exploring: take everything we're doing in WoTG and put a level cap on it, big beautiful areas that you hate going around because you're level 50, you remove the level cap, it doesn't get miraculously easy, but theres still a bit of tension, and a feeling of wonder at whats around the next corner. The urge to go see every last bit of places.

I admit that I have not seen half of new Meri Mountains, it scares the shit out of me, blind cliffs, T-VT Yagudo's, and I'm down to 3 Prism Powders from my earlier exploration.

You climb up Grauberg... and up, and up...and up... and then, you go down the other side into just gorgeous woodlands, nice little EP-TW mobs to poke at, oh hey /wave Pixie, death and danger up on one side, and a cute little newbie exp camp on the other, that's a well used zone.

Saruta [S] is so pretty it aches to look at the Present one now, the minty green grass, the redone sky, and oh heavens, that Yagudo just aggroed me, yay a Pixie showed up, so fun!

Running through and seeing how Garlaige, Eldieme, CN were back then, visiting these new, often stunningly well designed new areas, and thinking about how FUCKING UNBELIEVEABLY EPIC it is going to be when we march in to Xarcarbard with all these relic weapon wielding NPC's at our sides, and a whole fucking army at our backs, and kick the (probably lvl 95) full powered Shadow Lords ass, well, I'm excited.

Til then, oh shit, I gotta go, Windy is attacking Karugo, we're about to take it back from the yags... cool!

[Julian]

This is new... Put some colors up here.

Ok... New expansion, these always start out so full of win & awesome. Memory lane & all that good stuff.

Remember when CoP was released? Everybody bitched about all that low level gear, those low level missions, & the complete lack of anything really worth doing?

Dunno about you, but being the first NA group to complete promy's on my server and reaching Tavnazia was fucking amazing

Anyone who bitched at that point seriously fucking sucks at this game. Climbing up to the top was a bitch, but ohnoz, teaming up with 2 other parties doing the same mission IS JUST SO FUCKING HARD AND IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. QQ

Yes, the continuation of level caps was highly annoying, but if you were already bitching about it at the start, I feel sorry for you.

~`Where the abjurations at!?`~ The CoP wyrms sucked too, in fact, they still do. The only one that gets any love is Tiamat, & that's just because he has Nike's. Sea wasn't out until what, 6 or so months after launch? Limbus? Guaranteed game breaking rewards for maybe half a week of work? Nobody saw that coming, CoP was FAIL.

Teh greatest launch... Evar!

COP wyrms didn't suck, they were amazing new mobs that people thought impossible to beat. They were cool at the start, although obviously the lack of drops made them a little more meh later on. (except for Tiamat)

Sea? Limbus? I thought we were talking about the launch, not about what came later?

P.S.: Igqira and Sha'ir were introduced at COP release, and those low level items are for the most part actually worth using at their level, compared with what we got in this expansion.. wait, did we even get anything at all?

Of course when ToAU was launched CoP was considered to be one of the best expansions,

Are you the same person who typed the last paragraph?

& arguably the best for people with specific jobs. eg PLD & BLM who got nothing but crap from RoZ. Melees better not try telling me Zenith compares to AF+1 on anything that matters!

Wait, what?

BLM didn't get anything from RoZ, but at the same time you're saying that Zenith is better than AF+1? (Spoilers: Except for the one actual good piece of zenith, which is replaceable now, AF+1 is better)

How about when ToAU was released? That was just incredible! "I can't be bothered to walk through Mamook, XP here sucks" "It takes like 4 months to get a full set of Assault gear, & they suck!"

What the fuck is this shit you're spewing out?

"~`Where the abjurations at!?`~"

Abjurations have been outdated, and 90% of them are fucking useless, stfu with that shit already and move on

The only thing people couldn't bitch about was the Walhra Turban, but I can't remember if that was there at launch or in a patch. Assault was basically useless until they added Nyzul Isle & the Perdu weapons.

lol

Salvage was considered a complete waste of time when it was introduced, & people are just now starting to beat Einherjar.

Salvage was never a complete waste of time, people just stopped doing it because they were too lazy to figure out what gear drops where. Salvage was very doable before they added the update w/ the starter chest to make it easier. Even when that patch came out, only about half the armors were upgradable at that point, due to missing conditions. Salvage wasn't even introduced at the start of ToAU, why are you talking about it again?

Wait, I haven't been paying attention to that, they just finished Einherjar this summer didn't they? ToAU HNM's will be completely useless if they add Cerberus Hides anywhere else.

Einherjar sucks because of the feather system, which they still have to fix. And TOAU NMs: That's like saying killing Behemoth is stupid because you can just do KS99 to get behemoth leather

Yeah, ToAU had the best launch evar!!!!!!!! Too bad everybody was stuck in Jeuno complaining about the lack of Ridills & E-Bodies.

Half the shit you're talking about wasn't even at TOAU release. Also, it's more like people were stuck in Whitegate complaining.

If you want to look like a pack of morons, keep bitching until the next expansion is announced. Then you can bitch about how much that one sucks at launch, and how totally awesome this one was. If you'd like to keep any of your dignity, shut up.

You're the one that looks like a moron.

I'm going back to lurking & stuff.

Have a nice day ~

Bye =^_^=

Anyway, my thoughts on the expansion: I think they should have delayed it another month or two and added more stuff. The release feels very empty, and outside of Campaign there's nothing to do. There's only so few quests, only 3 Campaign OPs (wtf? I better get a rank up when that 5 day thing is up, but I kinda doubt those are even in yet. Not gonna touch the fact that they hardly take 5-10min to do <_<), no new NMs, no new decent gear, etc. Rather disappointed with the release, and I hope they have a patch coming real soon to add more content.

[sunb1ind]

Tsuko sounds like a troll you shouldn't feed, gives the rest of us a bad name. Does this guy even play the same game? The points we are bitching about should be obvious by now. Alot of people are probably going to jump the bitchfest-wagon as soon as they're back to idling in whitegate lol

A few of my friends already are, there's not much there to be excited about after you've finished sightseeing. Campaign needs some tweaking and rewards to be worthwhile. Not everthing sucks in this expansion though. I just got out of a party with a DNC61 and honestly I can see the potential for some good merit PT setups in it. Other than that, this expansion has nothing to offer for probably a long time from now. Use your 30 bucks to buy xmas gifts(for yourself?), you'll feel alot better :D

[ringthree]

Only problem with Campaign is, like Besieged, mages get dicked on points.

Huh? WHM's can run around curing and Dia-ing everything and get full points in Besieged.

[Mytiwar]

Only problem with Campaign is, like Besieged, mages get dicked on points.

Huh? WHM's can run around curing and Dia-ing everything and get full points in Besieged.

Hell on blm I get more points efficient curing/raising people than actually doing a blm job is probably what Kuno means.

[shukuffxi]

I'm meh on it so far.

I can live with little to no new gear. XP spots or not, i'm fine with that too. Campaign Ops seem a little lame at this point. Campaign itself is cool, needs a little work, but overall is good. New jobs, time will tell, i'm personally only doing SCH to 37 for now.

But to me, the biggest fail is how little god damn story there is. I know this is how SE does stuff, but I was really psyched to see many old faces in the past, and get a good idea of what the hell is going on. I'm hoping more than anything the next update gives a good chunk of story. Maybe i've missed some quests that give a hint as to what the hell is goin on? /wait January for moar Cait Sith explaining what's up.

[BRP]

I think a lot of people are counting Campaign Ops out too early. Though he hasn't done them yet, apparently someone just unlocked the first Assault Campaign Ops in another thread. (Though if its gear you are after, you'll still be out of luck).

[Lordender]

I spent 20mins in a constant siege of grauberg netting 5.3k exp in 1 campaign, idk how thats not worthwhile? I didn't have to put up with idiots in some random xp party, i did it on my own time on off hours of my LS. I still think SE needs to tweak campaign, sometimes you get a really easy one and sometimes you get an impossible one where the mobs end up warping after awhile. Windrust campaign has far too many NPC's that cause problems trying to target the mobs.


Campaign is already far superior than a fully completed lolbesieged and they havent even begun to add more to it.

[Isiolia]

Is that how Campaign is supposed to work though, or is it a glitch or bending the rules that will be fixed, a la the old Golden Salvage trick?

[Soraan]

Mages do kinda get dicked on points atm, but I just go up and melee on RDM to get most of 'em back. Campaign is actually kinda fun (definitely better than beseiged), and it's better than sitting in my mog house staring at my moogle, sooo...

My only real complaint (besides no HNMs/NMs period) is sometimes it's really hard to find the battles taking place in Campaign - at least in the dungeon-areas like Garliage Citadel and Eldieme. I ran around once for like 30 mins in Eldieme and didn't find a single battle taking place; should be some sorta message that comes up saying where it's happening or something marked on the map. And on Cerberus, the only areas that are packed for Campaign is usually the home cities areas, the rest are pretty bare (yet somehow Windy has won 5 areas, Sandy 4, and Bastok 3). And pulls are incredibly hard in Rolanberry at the fort - almost to the point that a sack pull is 100% required.

Oh and Sprinter's shoes = best item in expansion so far.

[Palin@Ramuh]

Oh and Sprinter's shoes = ONLY item in expansion so far.

fixed

[Julian]

Oh and Sprinter's shoes = ONLY item in expansion so far.

fixed

Sad but true lol

[Soraan]

Not true! Didn't you see the rank 1 items at the gate! Those +8MP bodies and +1HMP ownnnnnnnnn.

But yes, good point. :D

[blister1]

Is that how Campaign is supposed to work though, or is it a glitch or bending the rules that will be fixed, a la the old Golden Salvage trick?

It's an inconvenience, it'll be dealt with it

[Asrun]

Mages do kinda get dicked on points atm, but I just go up and melee on RDM to get most of 'em back. Campaign is actually kinda fun (definitely better than beseiged), and it's better than sitting in my mog house staring at my moogle, sooo...

My only real complaint (besides no HNMs/NMs period) is sometimes it's really hard to find the battles taking place in Campaign - at least in the dungeon-areas like Garliage Citadel and Eldieme. I ran around once for like 30 mins in Eldieme and didn't find a single battle taking place; should be some sorta message that comes up saying where it's happening or something marked on the map. And on Cerberus, the only areas that are packed for Campaign is usually the home cities areas, the rest are pretty bare (yet somehow Windy has won 5 areas, Sandy 4, and Bastok 3). And pulls are incredibly hard in Rolanberry at the fort - almost to the point that a sack pull is 100% required.

Oh and Sprinter's shoes = best item in expansion so far.

Does anyone else think CN and Eldieme are bugged? I've seen one, exactly one Campaign in CN where enemy mobs actually showed up. I've seen none in Eldieme.

Interestingly enough I was in a North Gustaberg campaign where the NPCs actually left the tower. Everyone just followed them to the beastmen where we fought near the bridge. I haven't seen this behavior elsewhere though and only this one time. Usually the beastmen are off wandering around like jackasses while the NPCs and PCs all standing around the fort twiddling their thumbs for 20 minutes.

Also, the Iron Ram Shield is pretty nice.

[Tsuko]

Dunno about you, but being the first NA group to complete promy's on my server and reaching Tavnazia was fucking amazing

Anyone who bitched at that point seriously fucking sucks at this game. Climbing up to the top was a bitch, but ohnoz, teaming up with 2 other parties doing the same mission IS JUST SO FUCKING HARD AND IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. QQ

You just happened to forget how everybody complained about the lack of an Auction house in Tavnazia? On top of the 10-20 minute walk, that town was useless.

COP wyrms didn't suck, they were amazing new mobs that people thought impossible to beat. They were cool at the start, although obviously the lack of drops made them a little more meh later on. (except for Tiamat)

Sea? Limbus? I thought we were talking about the launch, not about what came later?

P.S.: Igqira and Sha'ir were introduced at COP release, and those low level items are for the most part actually worth using at their level, compared with what we got in this expansion.. wait, did we even get anything at all?

CoP Wyrms suck in the same way this new worm sucks, it just took a little longer to figure out how much they sucked. I mentioned Sea & Limbus because the game had no useful end game content until those came out. People bitched about how pointless the missions were, & how they needed their new Sky now.

I did forget about Igqira & Sha'ir, but people still managed to bitch about those. What sadistic bastard thought it would be a good idea to sell Femina Subligars at such high prices!?

Wait, what?

BLM didn't get anything from RoZ, but at the same time you're saying that Zenith is better than AF+1? (Spoilers: Except for the one actual good piece of zenith, which is replaceable now, AF+1 is better)

No, you're just a dumb ass. Learn to read, k? I'm saying Zenith Mitts suck on pretty much everything end game.

What the fuck is this shit you're spewing out?

The same shit I had to look at when CoP & ToA were released.

Abjurations have been outdated, and 90% of them are fucking useless, stfu with that shit already and move on

I'm not saying otherwise, or that I actually care to get them. What I am saying is that morons like you bitched about the lack of abjurations every time a previous expansion was released. Along with the need to "fix" ground.

Salvage was never a complete waste of time, people just stopped doing it because they were too lazy to figure out what gear drops where. Salvage was very doable before they added the update w/ the starter chest to make it easier. Even when that patch came out, only about half the armors were upgradable at that point, due to missing conditions. Salvage wasn't even introduced at the start of ToAU, why are you talking about it again?

Sounds like an incomplete waste of time to me. I'll mention any time up until now that you bitches spent bitching about anything you could think to bitch about.

Einherjar sucks because of the feather system, which they still have to fix. And TOAU NMs: That's like saying killing Behemoth is stupid because you can just do KS99 to get behemoth leather

Funny thing, Behemoth is a complete waste of time. We'd be much better off if King Behemoth popped every day.

Half the shit you're talking about wasn't even at TOAU release. Also, it's more like people were stuck in Whitegate complaining.

You're starting to catch on.

You're the one that looks like a moron.

And you are a moron.

Some other guy: Tsuko sounds like a troll you shouldn't feed, gives the rest of us a bad name. Does this guy even play the same game? The points we are bitching about should be obvious by now. Alot of people are probably going to jump the bitchfest-wagon as soon as they're back to idling in whitegate lol

Only a dumb ass would sit down thinking, "Something needs to be done... I'm going to bitch & complain!"

There is no point to your bitching. You're just bitching to be bitching until more content is released, & then you're going to bitch about most of that. Keep bitching, call me a troll again, & then bitch a little more. They still won't update any faster than they did with the other expansions, connect the dots or something.

I'd feel a lot smarter if I didn't respond to a response to my response to complaining, but how could you think that I consider Zenith to be any better than AF+1 outside merits?

[Cesaria]

The one bit that I've found quite annoying about WOTG (apart from a slightly less than smooth and efficient launch) are the reskinned mobs. Stripey tigers are a really cool idea - but they're dayglow orange and blue, and the lynxes look like something that you'd find on a bad .dat mod site. It seems inconsistent what they've done to some of the zones too - some zones seem to have a beautiful level of detail put into them (somewhere like Saru, or Garliage which really impressed me), but others just appear to have been given to someone who plonked a few walls and bomb craters in at random and called the job done.

I want to go to Xarcabard and the Castle in the past before I pass judgement on the expansion though - it has such massive storyline potential (and yes I loved the COP storyline much more than the TOAU one - although TOAU has a brilliant final BC in the sense of epic-ness you get from it) and it's just a zone I want to see.

I guess it depends on how fast content gets added and what gets added really in the future. I'm certainly not going to cry about it because ultimately I paid about £20 and I've had a fair share of entertainment out of it so far - and it looks like there might be a few good BST exp spots to work on as well.

[Not Kuno]

Mages do kinda get dicked on points atm, but I just go up and melee on RDM to get most of 'em back. Campaign is actually kinda fun (definitely better than beseiged), and it's better than sitting in my mog house staring at my moogle, sooo...

Don't get me wrong, I realized nuking/curing is useless so I bust out the Kraken. Only problem is that as a blm I die really bad to many of the random AoEs mobs do, as well as get my self killed when the orcs do the counterstance move. It's just so much easier getting points by being hit then doing ass melee damage. I'd sleepga mobs and then die, turn in points and then sometimes get more because I had a bunch of stuff attack me. :/ Do they even want people nuking if we don't get points for it? It's certainly alot less then if a melee did a WS for that much.