Little disappointing?

[Not Kuno]

To anyone bitching about walking around, just get some allied notes. Then look for a C.A. (Campaign Arbiter). Will teleport you to any zone that you've been to for a small fee in notes. I'm flying all over the place.

My only complaint with this is Im unable to get Allied Notes besides the 480 I recieved for my first Campaign Ops. I got the Allied Tag equivalent or whatever from where the Signet person usually is in Windy Waters, went out into Sarutabaruta and killed about 6-10 EPs and didn't recieve any AN.

Allied tag doesn't give you allied notes, Sigil does. Did you get green signet or did you get that besieged icon?

Green signet. I don't know how to / have never recieved the Besieged icon, and I've talked to every single NPC in Windy Waters at least twice.

I got the sword icon by going out to E.Ron during conflict, finding the tower with the guard and asking for allied tags? Or something. That did it and when it ends when you ask for evaluation and that gives you exp/allied notes.

[Khamsin]

Well, on the bright side, there's nothing for the people who don't have the expansion yet to complain about. Usually, in the first couple months, some people get in eary and start gouging everyone else, and others get in late, complaining that they couldn't get in early, and others get in even later and miss the boat on all the exciting new stuff.

Now there's nothing to complain about, and by the time they do patch in something exciting and worthwhile, everyone will have had a chance to install the expansion and explore a bit to be familiar with everything.

[Lordwafik]

To anyone bitching about walking around, just get some allied notes. Then look for a C.A. (Campaign Arbiter). Will teleport you to any zone that you've been to for a small fee in notes. I'm flying all over the place.

My only complaint with this is Im unable to get Allied Notes besides the 480 I recieved for my first Campaign Ops. I got the Allied Tag equivalent or whatever from where the Signet person usually is in Windy Waters, went out into Sarutabaruta and killed about 6-10 EPs and didn't recieve any AN.

Allied tag doesn't give you allied notes, Sigil does. Did you get green signet or did you get that besieged icon?

Green signet. I don't know how to / have never recieved the Besieged icon, and I've talked to every single NPC in Windy Waters at least twice.

Hmmm weird, hopefully tonight I can go and test by soloing scorps on my BLM with Sigil up, if I get AN or not. If not I will report it in a bug report, unless of course it was intentional for you to only recieve AN in the allied fights which would suck.

[Sepukku]

I got the sword icon by going out to E.Ron during conflict, finding the tower with the guard and asking for allied tags? Or something. That did it and when it ends when you ask for evaluation and that gives you exp/allied notes.

I tried doing it in Sarutabaruta thinking it would be no big deal, because everyone is bitching about there being Conflict 24/7, but one didn't start and I stood at the outpost where the NPC was for about 15 minutes.

[Weeks]

have all the NPCs give ridiculously sparse instructions (Eg, "Give these rations to some guy in North Gustaberg!")

Way to blow it completely out of proportion.

The quest giver in bastok gives you a specific Tower name, and a specific NPC to talk to, and then that one gives you directions on the next one, and the next one is the only one that was somewhat vague.

How does the fact that he said "Eduard Tower" help, when none of the towers are marked on the map and there are a dozen random towers without any associated NPCs dotted all over the zone? It took a solid hour and a half of wandering around just to find that tower last night, because I had nothing but which zone it's in to go by.

[Khamsin]

have all the NPCs give ridiculously sparse instructions (Eg, "Give these rations to some guy in North Gustaberg!")

Way to blow it completely out of proportion.

The quest giver in bastok gives you a specific Tower name, and a specific NPC to talk to, and then that one gives you directions on the next one, and the next one is the only one that was somewhat vague.

How does the fact that he said "Eduard Tower" help, when none of the towers are marked on the map and there are a dozen random towers without any associated NPCs dotted all over the zone? It took a solid hour and a half of wandering around just to find that tower last night, because I had nothing but which zone it's in to go by.

Wait until a labelled map is added to BGwiki, of course!

[Jaffar]

I just love how one of the first bitch threads in the advanced section of an endgame forum is about a lack of a new noob zone :/

[Xavier]

Why, uh, exactly, are people referencing a lack of HNMs as a reason why this expansion is starting out slow?

Have any of you actually killed the current line of HNMs and experienced their absolutely shit-tastic loot pool? Square has already shown they have no concept of time vs. reward, so instead, they've saved you the trouble of spending 2hours for a fire crystal this time around.

[Kazen]

Why, uh, exactly, are people referencing a lack of HNMs as a reason why this expansion is starting out slow?

Have any of you actually killed the current line of HNMs and experienced their absolutely shit-tastic loot pool? Square has already shown they have no concept of time vs. reward, so instead, they've saved you the trouble of spending 2hours for a fire crystal this time around.

FK U MAN, I WANT MY BERSERKER'S TORQUE AND 6 MONTHS OF CAMPING KHIM TO GET A SWORD.

[Ryko]

Why, uh, exactly, are people referencing a lack of HNMs as a reason why this expansion is starting out slow?

Have any of you actually killed the current line of HNMs and experienced their absolutely shit-tastic loot pool? Square has already shown they have no concept of time vs. reward, so instead, they've saved you the trouble of spending 2hours for a fire crystal this time around.

Yeah because instead of wasting your time for fire crystals they... gave you nothing, so you'll waste your time for... other fire crystals from 2 expansions ago. Ignoring the fact that people also mentioned things like assaults and what not; HNMs, shitty drops or otherwise, give people something new to try out aside from permasieged 24/7 and nothing else.

I get your shell has taken a rather apparent turn for the instanced content and nothing but but that's no excuse for SE to shortchange people on shit to do for 2 months.

But hey, a little more pankration never killed anyone huh.

[Rocl]

To anyone bitching about walking around, just get some allied notes. Then look for a C.A. (Campaign Arbiter). Will teleport you to any zone that you've been to for a small fee in notes. I'm flying all over the place.

My only complaint with this is Im unable to get Allied Notes besides the 480 I recieved for my first Campaign Ops. I got the Allied Tag equivalent or whatever from where the Signet person usually is in Windy Waters, went out into Sarutabaruta and killed about 6-10 EPs and didn't recieve any AN.

Allied tag doesn't give you allied notes, Sigil does. Did you get green signet or did you get that besieged icon?

Sigil doesn't give you Allied Notes, the sword icon does. I've killed stuff w/ Sigil on and got no Allied Notes. I've gotten the sword icon and participated in Campaign and got Allied Notes- I've yet to get Allied Notes any other way (except Campaign Ops)

[Xavier]

You sure have turned into a whiney little bitch as of late, can't find a post without you complaining about the game anywhere. How much time do you actually have to waste?

Yeah because instead of wasting your time for fire crystals they... gave you nothing, so you'll waste your time for... other fire crystals from 2 expansions ago.

So you're upset that they haven't given you further ways to waste your time? Boohoo.

Ignoring the fact that people also mentioned things like assaults and what not

Considering I specifically said why are people bringing HNMs into the discussion, this has nothing to do with my comment.

HNMs, shitty drops or otherwise, give people something new to try out aside from permasieged 24/7 and nothing else.

So again, you're crying that Square hasn't given you another way to waste time while...wasting time?

I get your shell has taken a rather apparent turn for the instanced content and nothing but but that's no excuse for SE to shortchange people on shit to do for 2 months.

But hey, a little more pankration never killed anyone huh.

Square has made it fairly clear that if you want drops, you better be doing Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage and Assaults, because they sure as hell aren't adding many useful things to HNMs. And don't act like killing most HNMs is an accomplishment, since the same alliance, using the same strategy, can kill almost anything in the game.

If you're in love with wasting your time, I don't see how you can complain about a waste of time.

[Lordwafik]

Allied tag doesn't give you allied notes, Sigil does. Did you get green signet or did you get that besieged icon?

Sigil doesn't give you Allied Notes, the sword icon does. I've killed stuff w/ Sigil on and got no Allied Notes. I've gotten the sword icon and participated in Campaign and got Allied Notes- I've yet to get Allied Notes any other way (except Campaign Ops)[/quote]

Bleh that's a bit dumb. So it's kinda pointless meritting in the new(old?) areas then if you can't rack up AN, then again we'd need good rewards for them to matter a lot

The good sides of keeping up Sigil though is exp bonus, and Hhp , like signet.

[Ryko]

You sure have turned into a whiney little bitch as of late, can't find a post without you complaining about the game anywhere. How much time do you actually have to waste?

Seeing as how I've been out of town and as such haven't been playing at all for the last 2 weeks, a lot more than normal. And as of late? Most of my posts are usually pointing out where SE fell short. I write them on my wall and pick one a day to harp on, really. Tomorrow: "We want to give dark knights more motivation to use scythes"...

So you're upset that they haven't given you further ways to waste your time? Boohoo.

"Hey give us 30 bucks then go do the same stuff you always did while we figure something out, ok?"

The expansion was rather blatantly rushed, they gave you the wrapping without the box inside. By all means, feel free to be happy with that but yeah, some people have come to terms with the fact that a lot of shit in this game is a colossal waste of time. You wont find 2 people who agree on which is which though (I personally find salvage a colossal waste of time. On a far less debateable note, how about choco raising/racing? Maybe some pankremon. Face it, a very large chunk of the shit they add is meant to push your clock forward). I'm honestly sorry khim never put out for you, but seeing as how there's nothing new for you to concentrate on youll have till january to get it out of the way, with just that many more people to spend time with you doing it in lieu of other options, timesink or otherwise.

Considering I specifically said why are people bringing HNMs into the discussion, this has nothing to do with my comment.

I sure as hell said "ignoring" for a reason, since it was part of a greater sentence.

So again, you're crying that Square hasn't given you another way to waste time while...wasting time?

SE adds new crap for you to waste your time on, you lose nothing by not doing it and choosing to do the same old shit.
SE decides not to add anything for you to waste your time on... grats on doing the same old shit anyway.
You have yet to come to the realization that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

Square has made it fairly clear that if you want drops, you better be doing Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage and Assaults, because they sure as hell aren't adding many useful things to HNMs. And don't act like killing most HNMs is an accomplishment, since the same alliance, using the same strategy, can kill almost anything in the game.

If I implied some sort of skill involved with killing any HNMs aside from doing them to do them to try something slightly different I'd see where you're coming from but seeing as how I didn't you have yet to specify what SE has to lose by adding said mobs. The one thing they seemed to really concentrate on for launch doesn't even offer you much of anything.

[Bagel]

Anyone who thinks this expansion isn't a little light on content is in denial.

Anyone who thinks this is the end of the world needs to grow up.

[Xavier]

"Hey give us 30 bucks then go do the same stuff you always did while we figure something out, ok?"

You aren't required to buy it. Your game doesn't stop working if you don't upgrade.

I sure as hell said "ignoring" for a reason, since it was part of a greater sentence.

You brought up something completely irrelevant to my comment while asserting that my comment was wrong. If you were actually ignoring something, there would have been no reason to point it out. You pointed them out, in effect, to further establish your belief that the expansion sucks.

SE adds new crap for you to waste your time on, you lose nothing by not doing it and choosing to do the same old shit.
SE decides not to add anything for you to waste your time on... grats on doing the same old shit anyway.
You have yet to come to the realization that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

You have yet to come to the realization that just because you like something, doesn't mean Square should focus on it at the expense of something else.

In both cases you've said your time is wasted. If you enjoy wasting your time, there are plenty of HNM that serve absolutely no purpose in the game but that.

If I implied some sort of skill involved with killing any HNMs aside from doing them to do them to try something slightly different I'd see where you're coming from but seeing as how I didn't you have yet to specify what SE has to lose by adding said mobs. The one thing they seemed to really concentrate on for launch doesn't even offer you much of anything.

The point being that, if HNMs aren't killed for the challenge, and HNMs aren't killed for drops, then their being killed to waste time. And if wasting time is all you care about, then what does Square ultimately have to gain from devoting resources to make you happy? You're still going to go back to the same old mobs, QQ about their drops and complain that Square is full of shit.

Its illogical to say that Square has flawed game design while being upset that they didn't recreate that same flawed game design to take up your time. I can understand being pissed off if your expectations were to get new HNMs with good drops, but everyone should know that its incredibly unlikely to actually have that happen.

What does Square have to gain by creating more HNMs that drop nothing, when the end result is that you'll still be complaining.

[LinktheDeme]

Anyone who thinks this expansion isn't a little light on content is in denial.

Anyone who thinks this is the end of the world needs to grow up.

pretty much sums it up right there

the only thing that was worth the 30 bucks is the price gouge. And i guess raising new jobs?

[Ryko]

You have yet to come to the realization that just because you like something, doesn't mean Square should focus on it at the expense of something else.

Yeah because we got so much else otherwise, right? You seem to overestimate the amount of time and thought that goes into throwing a level 80 mob with a sidegrade in a corner of a zone, and you'd have a point if anything ever seemed to be ignored otherwise because of it.

The point being that, if HNMs aren't killed for the challenge, and HNMs aren't killed for drops, then their being killed to waste time. And if wasting time is all you care about, then what does Square ultimately have to gain from devoting resources to make you happy? You're still going to go back to the same old mobs, QQ about their drops and complain that Square is full of shit.

Its illogical to say that Square has flawed game design while being upset that they didn't recreate that same flawed game design to take up your time. I can understand being pissed off if your expectations were to get new HNMs with good drops, but everyone should know that its incredibly unlikely to actually have that happen.

What does Square have to gain by creating more HNMs that drop nothing, when the end result is that you'll still be complaining.

I was personally more than satisfied with cerberus, I spent my time figuring out hydra and spent my time snagging my Khim drops. Furthermore, I'm probably one of the few people that went out of my way to kill gulool and gurfurlur (never bothered going back to medusa). Lastly I'm probably one of the last people to sit around and whine that SE fucked up hard on the time to drop comparison since I enjoy killing the new mobs to kill them. Just as the next guy loves dicking around in the pit just to do it, and just as the next guy likes molesting his fellowship NPC just to do it. The catch? SE spends 5 minutes placing a new HNM in a zone with useless to moderately useful synth mats or item drops and forgetting about it, we have multiple updates and even some full zones revolving around the other 2 things and they were or will be thrown to the wayside and left incomplete anyway. So you tell me, what wastes more resources, and what exactly were said resources going towards anyway? It's not like the lack of said mobs was so they could give you more preplanned instanced content, exp/merit camps or hell, even an actual point to doing campaign.

As for my not having to get it right now, there's a reason im not exactly chomping at the bit to get my copy and rush home to richmond and pop it in. Kinda crazy but I thought the point of an expansion was to motivate you to want to try out what they have to offer.

[Ploid]

What do people merit, upgrade, and optimize gear for if not fighting HNMs (and maybe other stuff that you have to pay attention for like relic fragment fights. Not counting parse racing)?

[Vishnevskiy]

dont forget the huge amount of room we got with the locker in TAOU >.>
all this expansion has given is inflated prices on items that are needed for just 10 more slots