WotG Storyline Discussion (Spoilers)

[Khamsin]

I realize that this has the flimsiest of connections; but given how many non hume/taru characters are shown in relationships it does make me wonder if their friendship is going to have a 'strong' undertone.

Even though the playerbase sees Galka as male, they are asexual in the storyline.

Um, your aware of why Cornelia sacraficed herself for Raogrimm right? Hint: It wasn't because they where such good friends. There are also random galka who talk about their wives in other quests places. So no, they're not asexual. I'll let someone else dig up the interview where SE said as much.

I doubt that anything past the point of speculation would be put in the game, I guess I just like the idea of a friendship/whatever they have transcending death/rebirth and hope it doesn't get mired down with some bullshit.

The "Galka reproduce asexually" thing was just made up to keep the galka down. It's a tool of repression.

[Rocl]

Personally I don't believe it, I think Diabolos is responsible for it all, and "power of the crystals" was left blank because at that time we didn't even know Diabolos existed.

We didn't, but I think the guys in charge of the story had some idea. Fairly certain Diabolos speaks to you after beating Dynamis-Xarcabard.

[Malacite]

No, it's 100% true.

https://secure.playonline.com/polapps/s ... g_loc%3Den

there ya go. Galka have no gender. They reproduce via reincarnation fool.


And I'd like to clear something up about San d'Orian faith vs Zilart. While they're essentially the same religion, the two see it in different ways. If you've actually bothered to visit the Church in San d'Oria you'd know that their interpretation of "Opening the gates to Paradise" is a spiritual metaphor for inner peace. Only the Papsque actually planned to open the gates (the thought Lightbringer could do it but that was just a misconception by Kam'lanaut in an attempt by him to wipe out San d'Oria!) and there are probably a few others who take it literally as well but I'm confident that the real meaning in their case is inner peace.

As for the Zilart, they really are just misguided and not evil. They truly believe that by reuniting the crystals, Vana'diel will be made whole again and they will stand as gods before their beloved Altana, that they may be with her forever. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but that sure seems like their intent to me. Hell, most of the Zilart citizens (or what's left of them) in Al'tieu hardly struck me as evil... if only there was a way to restore those poor souls and bring them all back to Vana'diel! ^^

I'm sure if they tried they could create a new floating city. Come on, you gotta admit it'd be cool to have an airship ride or something to take you to a new Zilart nation in the sky where you can shop and do quests etc rather than just fighting centuries old constructs and arcana.

[BRP]

Galka may be asexual, but they may still have their junk ready to go. SE has been very vague about it, but I don't suppose they would answer questions like "Does my character have a dick?" with a straight face.

There is a reason I said "evil", instead of EVIL. Yeah, they are misguided, just as every storyline villain. Well, maybe not so much Promathia. However, they are the bad guys.

[ronin sparthos]

Galka may be asexual, but they may still have their junk ready to go. SE has been very vague about it, but I don't suppose they would answer questions like "Does my character have a dick?" with a straight face.

Lol, id pay to see the answer they come up for that kinda question.

Galka are male, they just cant reproduce with any other race so even though they can be in relationships and what not they cant have offspring. Its more like they tell their wives that they are gonna go die somewhere and then a child will be born >.>

[Sagacious Sundi]

As far as I know, there's another theory that's out there about this too.

Half of the Tonberries (those still in Pso'Xja) are the ones Diabolos transformed (Cryptonberries) and the other half who left (those who eventually ended up in Ugga) had their transformation caused gradually overtime by the Meltdown.

Personally I don't believe it, I think Diabolos is responsible for it all, and "power of the crystals" was left blank because at that time we didn't even know Diabolos existed.

So, what you are saying that the text in the game written by the developers and "spoken" by the characters that "lived" it is wrong? Even though Diabolos was not in the game at the time, that does not mean that he wouldn't have been mentioned by name, title, or even alluded to by metaphor (like the Mirrors of Blessed Radiance and Blighted Gloom in the Fellowship quests alluding to Alexander and Odin as the two huge players in ToAU) if his presence caused such a huge impact.

And what motive would Diabolos have to transform the Kuluu into the Tonberry? He has demonstrated that his goals are benevolent-ish, transforming the Kuluu into vicious monsters is less than.

Unless someone can show some text where Diabolos is all "yeah, I transformed them" I am going to believe the text from the Grav'tion cutscene as cannon.

I don't think anyone believes he intentionally did it, just that it was a side-effect of doing so. I don't know... Now I don't know what to think.

Regarding Cryptonberries, I think they're supposed to be heretics to Uggalepih who pledged allegiance to the Shadow Lord, hence why they don't have that aspect of rancor but whatshisface still drops an Uggalepih Pendant.

[ronin sparthos]

Well, in tonberry religion Altana is supposedly jealous of the beauty of Uggalepih so they hate the children of Altana. Pso'xja is a Kuluu city, and werent Kuluu transformed into Tonberries by the radiation caused by the meltdown?

Cryptonberries are the Kuluu that devolved within Pso'xja who later joined forces with the Shadowlord to get a stab at the Children of Altana? (much pun intended )

Either way, i never got the feeling that Cryptonberries and Tonberries have any ill will against eachother. They both believe in rancor - or Cryptonberries wouldnt take up knives and lanterns like Tonberries.

[Yutuyu]

As far as I know, there's another theory that's out there about this too.

Half of the Tonberries (those still in Pso'Xja) are the ones Diabolos transformed (Cryptonberries) and the other half who left (those who eventually ended up in Ugga) had their transformation caused gradually overtime by the Meltdown.

Personally I don't believe it, I think Diabolos is responsible for it all, and "power of the crystals" was left blank because at that time we didn't even know Diabolos existed.

So, what you are saying that the text in the game written by the developers and "spoken" by the characters that "lived" it is wrong? Even though Diabolos was not in the game at the time, that does not mean that he wouldn't have been mentioned by name, title, or even alluded to by metaphor (like the Mirrors of Blessed Radiance and Blighted Gloom in the Fellowship quests alluding to Alexander and Odin as the two huge players in ToAU) if his presence caused such a huge impact.

And what motive would Diabolos have to transform the Kuluu into the Tonberry? He has demonstrated that his goals are benevolent-ish, transforming the Kuluu into vicious monsters is less than.

Unless someone can show some text where Diabolos is all "yeah, I transformed them" I am going to believe the text from the Grav'tion cutscene as cannon.

The Grav'tion cutscene doesn't say the Meltdown was responsible directly, just that the "Power of the Crystals" were. There's a direct quote on page 8, and that's ambigious enough that Square probably left it open so that they could go back to it with Diabolos later.

There is a quote somewhere in CoP that mentions the Kuluu being freed from the chains; and that it had negative results. Tonberries, duh? What ELSE could it be?

So, not to derail the current speculating / reliving of the Zilart / Promathia storylines, but a thought occurred to me today.

This is pure conjecture based on what we know about the present and have thus far seen in the past, but the werei and gumbah relationship has me wondering if its going to have any interesting undertones.

They where apparently very close in the past.
They live together until Werei's Journey of rebirth.

I realize that this has the flimsiest of connections; but given how many non hume/taru characters are shown in relationships it does make me wonder if their friendship is going to have a 'strong' undertone.

I doubt it. The Gumbah/Werei relationship is a unique one though. It seems that Galka pair relationships seem to be more father/son-ish where a mature Galka will take in one who just came back from his Journey of Rebirth, eventually when the older one sets off on his Journey of Rebirth the younger one will take care of him when he gets back and so on. (At least as this is what I gathered from the limited literature on the subject.) There are exceptions to the rule, like Raogrimm and Deidogg. (There may be a reason for it, but it would involve plot details from Bastok missions.)

But on the other hand, it has been shown that Galkas do form romantic relationships. And we all know that the Altep Continent was the world's largest sausage party before the Galka migrated to Quon...

Who...even cares? Why're we speculating on possible homosexual relationships when we know Square Enix won't even let 2 males or 2 females get married by a GM? It's pretty obvious they avoid any homosexual connotations. And even if they were loves; still... who cares? How is it relevant? What is the point?

I really think there's more important things to discuss than whether Werei is "hitting that."

[Apelila]

I said strong undertone, not sexual. Sex doesn't mean love. Its interesting to see that they where close in the past before Gumbah's rebirth, and that he comes back supposedly as the tailkeeper if i got the CS in 8-2 right to live with him.

If I wanted to put a sex spin on it i'd point out that its creepy that the beds in the house are pushed together. (Well, as close as beds in FFXI can be at least)

[Septimus]

The Grav'tion cutscene doesn't say the Meltdown was responsible directly, just that the "Power of the Crystals" were. There's a direct quote on page 8, and that's ambigious enough that Square probably left it open so that they could go back to it with Diabolos later.

There is a quote somewhere in CoP that mentions the Kuluu being freed from the chains; and that it had negative results. Tonberries, duh? What ELSE could it be?

Or maybe the Flying Spaghetti Monster did it? It's ambiguous enough, I'm sure that they will add in a summon for him eventually. I mean, how else did the Culinarian Guild learn "Noodle-Kneading"?

They finished with CoP missions, one would suspect that were they to add in a plot-twist as large as Diabolos transforming an entire race of people into monsters, they might have mentioned it before the missions were he was a major player were completed.

And the quote about the Kuluu being freed from the chains was most likely about the Chamber of Eventide removing their Emptiness allowing some like Esha'ntarl regain the whisper of souls and immortality. Didn't they have to stop that because their displaced Emptiness started to affect the Mother Crystals? (Otherwise known as negative results.)

Who...even cares? Why're we speculating on possible homosexual relationships when we know Square Enix won't even let 2 males or 2 females get married by a GM? It's pretty obvious they avoid any homosexual connotations. And even if they were loves; still... who cares? How is it relevant? What is the point?

I really think there's more important things to discuss than whether Werei is "hitting that."

Then who even cares about your inane Diabolos ramblings? We can no more prove that Werei and Gumba were closer than friends than Diabolos was responsible for the Tonberries.

P.S. Werei was totally hitting it. Gumbah said that he was really close friends with Werei once, and that's ambiguous enough that Square probably left it open so that they could go back to it with hot Galka-on-Galka action later.

[Zak]

They finished with CoP missions, one would suspect that were they to add in a plot-twist as large as Diabolos transforming an entire race of people into monsters, they might have mentioned it before the missions were he was a major player were completed.

Lord Diabolos! Is there any way to break these chains that bind us?
There is...one way...
Long ago, remnants of the Kuluu came to me and asked me to release them from the chains of Promathia.
I did as they asked...
However, the result was tragic. The Kuluu lost their original selves...

What Grav'iton reveales in the RotZ CS is just the "omg! Tonberrys are actually former Kuulu!" part.

[Malacite]

Looks like some people refuse to believe cold hard facts from SE.

Galka are genderless. Male in appearance only. Get over it!


Back to the discussion @ hand. I don't think Diabolos was talking about the Chamber of Eventide, especially he was siding with the Kuluu against the Zilart. D's got some pretty freaky dark powers, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had the ability to free people of the emptiness. Though apparently the cost for his method was too much.

[Max™]

Looks like some people refuse to believe cold hard facts from SE.

Galka are genderless. Male in appearance only. Get over it!


Back to the discussion @ hand. I don't think Diabolos was talking about the Chamber of Eventide, especially he was siding with the Kuluu against the Zilart. D's got some pretty freaky dark powers, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had the ability to free people of the emptiness. Though apparently the cost for his method was too much.

I always made fun of my two static galkas, reminding them that the closest they had to a penis was sticking out of their butts.

Then I'd stop and ask what the fuck they were doing out of the mines, and order them to go dig me some ores... fun times.

/derail

[Zak]

edit: nothing.

[Yutuyu]

And the quote about the Kuluu being freed from the chains was most likely about the Chamber of Eventide removing their Emptiness allowing some like Esha'ntarl regain the whisper of souls and immortality. Didn't they have to stop that because their displaced Emptiness started to affect the Mother Crystals? (Otherwise known as negative results.)

Lord Diabolos! Is there any way to break these chains that bind us?

There is...one way...
Long ago, remnants of the Kuluu came to me and asked me to release them from the chains of Promathia.
I did as they asked...
However, the result was tragic. The Kuluu lost their original selves...

Man, I really hate to be this guy but... LEARN TO READ.

[BRP]

Looks like some people refuse to believe cold hard facts from SE.

Can you quote them saying Galka do not have certain organs? I recall them coming from the Zilart, who most certainly did.

[Max™]

Looks like some people refuse to believe cold hard facts from SE.

Can you quote them saying Galka do not have certain organs? I recall them coming from the Zilart, who most certainly did.

God we're horrifyingly nerdy, talking about genitals of fictional video game characters.

Is there a penis.dat or whatnot?

I thought the 5 races were aspects of the crystal, not descendants of the Zilart.

[Weavus]

God we're horrifyingly nerdy, talking about genitals of fictional video game characters.

You spelled perverted wrong.

[Siniroth]

I thought the 5 races were aspects of the crystal, not descendants of the Zilart.

I was under the impression that the races came about based on the crystal warriors, them being guardians of the crystals, and we look like them and suffer the same weaknesses because of them being filters of sorts

[Max™]

Would be perverted if we were getting aroused by discussion of galka genitals or the lack thereof.

I'm not Sept though, so it's just something to laugh like a nerd at.

*snort*