NFL Week 13 Picks *Big Game Week*

[Tyche]

I was watching clips of the dallas/gb game on NFLN. 1st quarter, Driver took a fly pattern to the corner of the endzone, newman was beat and threw his arms up, while he didn't even take one look at the ball, he blocked it luckily. Gasp, no PI was called.

[layoneil]

Ruling: Hindering an opponent's vision without making an attempt to catch, intercept or bat the ball, is pass interference even though no contact was made.

Driver took a fly pattern to the corner of the endzone, newman was beat and threw his arms up, while he didn't even take one look at the ball, he blocked it luckily. Gasp, no PI was called.

learn to read?

[archibaldcrane]

k, will do.

And how come no one is talking about the Redskins game? Starting the game off with 10 defenders was a great way to show how much Sean will be missed. It sucks that they lost though.

It sucks they lost due to Joe Gibbs having a "senior moment" (calling 2 consecutive timeouts to ice the kicker on a 51-yard field goal, garnering a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty so they could nail an easy 36-yarder as time expired). What a joke, with the wild-card on the line and everything. Not sure if that's more embarrassing or the eagles' total failure by Fiedler to do anything but feed Tutopu easy INTs, even when in a position to win.

The Vikings, Cardinals, and Lions are in the lead for the final NFC wildcard slot. What...the...fuck.

[Tyche]

Ruling: Hindering an opponent's vision without making an attempt to catch, intercept or bat the ball, is pass interference even though no contact was made.

Driver took a fly pattern to the corner of the endzone, newman was beat and threw his arms up, while he didn't even take one look at the ball, he blocked it luckily. Gasp, no PI was called.

learn to read?

Deejay said, from the get-go, that what newman did is illegal. His argument is that the DB isn't making a play on the ball when they just throw their arms up. If Deejay would read the quote, the intent is to actually bat the ball, which is why I've stood by saying that it's a completely legal maneuver.

Edit: Here's the initial quote that started this absurd argument

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Williams isn't even looking for the ball(P.I.), and Austin's leg is wrapped around Williams leg, which caused him to kick William's leg(trip), which caused him to kick his own leg, and fall. It wouldn't have been PI if they were running stride for stride, or from one side to another. Williams was trailing him, with the intention of tripping him. Because, what else would you do if you were trailing with your eyes straight ahead towards the endzone, go for the ball? Don't think so.

Edit: Added the definitions of "trip."
trip (tr?p) Pronunciation Key
n.
3. A maneuver causing someone to stumble or fall. The catching of legs between the two.
6. a sudden impeding or catching of a person's foot so as to throw the person down, esp. in wrestling. William's knee/leg catching Austin's feet.

DBs and safety's run full stride and just flail their arms in hopes of possible blocking the ball all the time. Half turning your body to look where the ball is slows you down.

No they don't. It's against the rules to do that.

The proper way to guard a WR in that situation is to turn around and run full speed with him and watch the WR's face. When you see the WR's eyes widen and his arms begin to out stretch is when you turn around to make a play.

I bolded the important part. So yes, I agree, Deejay needs to learn to read.

[Deejay]

It's illegal for a DB to try and bat the ball up if they don't know when/if the ball is in the air. If the DB takes a look back and then turns back around to put his arms up then it is an obvious no call.

How is the DB supposed to know he's playing the ball if he never turned to look at it? This is why it's illegal, because you can't be guarding something that you don't know is there.

Edit: You're told to read the receivers eyes and put your hands up when you see his go up. Randy's gotten so many calls on this in the back of the end zone, it happens way more than you guys think. I'll just post next time I see something like that happen. No point arguing the same thing back and forth.

[Tyche]

Maybe he seen the WR turn around to make a play and "seen his eyes widen!"

Edit: Lol this is from the same damn post. You asked a question, then you answered your own damn question...

How is the DB supposed to know he's playing the ball if he never turned to look at it? This is why it's illegal, because you can't be guarding something that you don't know is there.

Edit: You're told to read the receivers eyes and put your hands up when you see his go up.

[Norelco]

It sucks they lost due to Joe Gibbs having a "senior moment" (calling 2 consecutive timeouts to ice the kicker on a 51-yard field goal, garnering a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty so they could nail an easy 36-yarder as time expired). What a joke, with the wild-card on the line and everything.

I'm a little tired of the calling a timeout before the kick bullshit. It slows down the game needlessly. That's not to say that the defense doesn't like a formation the kicking unit had (think fake fieldgoal), but to call a timeout right before the snap is bush-league. There's plenty of time to call a timeout before the snap.

It's not like the Bills absolutely suck though. Lindell made the first kick when the timeout was called. He probably could have done it again, he's been on fire as of late. He currently has the second longest streak for NFL kickers on consecutive field goals made (I think it is at 16 now).

They didn't lose because of Gibbs. It's hard to pin any one thing on why they lost, but in the end it was because they didn't get enough points. A win would have been nice for Sean Taylor but Gibbs and Redskin players were careful to not guarantee a victory, but they did guarantee to play their hearts out for Sean.

And Deejay is right, that was pretty classy what Washington did with the 10 men on the field.

[Deejay]

How is the DB supposed to know he's playing the ball if he never turned to look at it? This is why it's illegal, because you can't be guarding something that you don't know is there.

Edit: You're told to read the receivers eyes and put your hands up when you see his go up.

You're forgetting about 3-5 seconds where that the ball is in the air. Good WR's know not to put their hands up until the last second for that sole reason.

[Keno]

k, will do.

And how come no one is talking about the Redskins game? Starting the game off with 10 defenders was a great way to show how much Sean will be missed. It sucks that they lost though.

It sucks they lost due to Joe Gibbs having a "senior moment" (calling 2 consecutive timeouts to ice the kicker on a 51-yard field goal, garnering a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty so they could nail an easy 36-yarder as time expired). What a joke, with the wild-card on the line and everything. Not sure if that's more embarrassing or the eagles' total failure by Fiedler to do anything but feed Tutopu easy INTs, even when in a position to win.

The Vikings, Cardinals, and Lions are in the lead for the final NFC wildcard slot. What...the...fuck.

The Vikings have been playing amazingly. With AP back I see them possibly running the rest of the table and clinching that wild card spot after the Giants.

[Tyche]

How is the DB supposed to know he's playing the ball if he never turned to look at it? This is why it's illegal, because you can't be guarding something that you don't know is there.

Edit: You're told to read the receivers eyes and put your hands up when you see his go up.

You're forgetting about 3-5 seconds where that the ball is in the air. Good WR's know not to put their hands up until the last second for that sole reason.

I never said they traced entire routes waving their arms wildly like a chicken with it's head cut off. You've been saying for four pages that throwing their arms up without looking at the ball is PI. Now they can throw their arms up, but they have to look at the receivers eyes. I mean, flip flopping is cool if something comes to light, like, new information, but you just simply talked yourself into a 180...No wonder it's never called, the ref has to look both them in the eyes, make sure the pupils dilate, look at the feet, make sure the trajectory of the ball isn't interferred by an arm in between it and a receivers eyes, check posession.....

[Deejay]

I'm going with Vikings/Giants for the last 2 spots based on strength of their schedule. Lions are fucked and have to play GB, San Diego, and Dallas. The Cardinals shouldn't have won that game against the Browns. The TD that Kellen scored was good, and the Cards never should have scored that one TD to Bryant if one of the Browns players didn't kick the ball after a 3rd down stop.

[Deejay]

How is the DB supposed to know he's playing the ball if he never turned to look at it? This is why it's illegal, because you can't be guarding something that you don't know is there.

Edit: You're told to read the receivers eyes and put your hands up when you see his go up.

You're forgetting about 3-5 seconds where that the ball is in the air. Good WR's know not to put their hands up until the last second for that sole reason.

I never said they traced entire routes waving their arms wildly like a chicken with it's head cut off. You've been saying for four pages that throwing their arms up without looking at the ball is PI. Now they can throw their arms up, but they have to look at the receivers eyes. I mean, flip flopping is cool if something comes to light, like, new information, but you just simply talked yourself into a 180...No wonder it's never called, the ref has to look both them in the eyes, make sure the pupils dilate, look at the feet, make sure the trajectory of the ball isn't interferred by an arm in between it and a receivers eyes, check posession.....

I haven't been changing anything, you're just over analyzing the fuck out of everything I post. Rather than argue in circles I'll post next time I see it happen.

The proper way to guard a WR in that situation is to turn around and run full speed with him and watch the WR's face. When you see the WR's eyes widen and his arms begin to out stretch is when you turn around to make a play.

[Keno]

I'm going with Vikings/Giants for the last 2 spots based on strength of their schedule. Lions are fucked and have to play GB, San Diego, and Dallas. The Cardinals shouldn't have won that game against the Browns. The TD that Kellen scored was good, and the Cards never should have scored that one TD to Bryant if one of the Browns players didn't kick the ball after a 3rd down stop.

Finally I definitely agree with you on something. Haha. Detroit definitely isn't getting that wild card spot. Even though the Cardinals do have a pretty easy last four games, I just don't see them as being able to go 4/4 like the Vikings.

[Stolin]

Question: What happened to Kurt Warner's career? He was doing awesome when the rams won the super bowl last time. Then I stopped watching football til this season.

[Keno]

Question: What happened to Kurt Warner's career? He was doing awesome when the rams won the super bowl last time. Then I stopped watching football til this season.

Uh, he threw for 484 yards just a little over a week ago. A major feat for any QB in the NFL.

[Stolin]

Question: What happened to Kurt Warner's career? He was doing awesome when the rams won the super bowl last time. Then I stopped watching football til this season.

Uh, he threw for 484 yards just a little over a week ago. A major feat for any QB in the NFL.

Didn't he start as a back up QB this season though? Thats what I'm puzzled about.

[layoneil]

he got hurt, they thought he was done, there's at least a dozen teams he can start on if they wanted a QB just for this season.

[Tyche]

On another note, Mcnair is probably done with the NFL.

[Norelco]

People are ebaying off the Sean Taylor commemorative towels they got at the Redskins/Bills game yesterday for about $75-100 a piece: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dl ... arch&fgtp=

[Stolin]

Theres a special place in hell for every opportunist