Campaign Rank Decay is poor design

[Lucavi]

Too early to complain about decay when we haven't even had a chance to see how the decay even affects us. For all you know, you could wait 29 days, then spend 2 hours on the 30th day doing Campaign, and wind up keeping your medals as they are.

Its far too early to speculate on something like that -- if you're worried so much about decay, don't get assessed every 5 days. Save your assessment for that one day where you DO go apeshit on Campaign and do like 10-15 in one weekend.

[Charismatic]

QQ

Thank you for your awesome contribution to this thread!
While I agree with you that it's not really something to cry about, you could have at least made a sentence out of it.

I don't really see anything wrong with rank decay, they give you an entire month.

I don't know what the higher ranks will be like, but at this point ranking up is easy as hell.

[kuronosan]

Simply put, war is hell. War does not take breaks, nor does it care for your past triumphs. War only cares for the here and now, and if your not willing to succede in the here and now you have no reason to be part of that war.

Are you fucking kidding me. Enjoy camping the laggy /cmap so you can rank up. Guess I have no reason to be part of the war since I'm not willing to be INSANE ABOUT CAMPAIGN! Yeah, it rhymed. At least with besieged we get a warning to get your ass to Al Zahbi.

GG, SE, the best part of the expansion outside of the 2 jobs has been ruined for absolutely no good reason.

Yea. Free exp and no exp loss from monsters while you participate has been ruined! I want my cake back!

[DeadLegend]

I got something like 28k AN before this patch occurred. It was a good 4 days or so. Not gonna kill myself over the loss of my precious mini-besieged but it does give me less reason to do anything involving the expansion. Was really fun going through the battles non-stop for hours on end.

Btw the point system is odd too. Sometimes, for no reason the cap varies. As Brass ribbon the most I can get is 700/700, but sometimes the ceiling actually lowers inexplicably, and I'll get something like 250/250 while the rank 2 from the same nation as me gets 450/450, asnd some random dude gets 600/600. Maybe that's been explained somewhere, but it pisses me off a lot.

[retice]

Btw the point system is odd too. Sometimes, for no reason the cap varies. As Brass ribbon the most I can get is 700/700, but sometimes the ceiling actually lowers inexplicably, and I'll get something like 250/250 while the rank 2 from the same nation as me gets 450/450, asnd some random dude gets 600/600. Maybe that's been explained somewhere, but it pisses me off a lot.

I did Vunkerl Inlet after the patch, and I received 1140 xp/800notes and the battle last quite sometime. So who knows what the caps are, and all that was on a single tag.

[Slott]

I got something like 28k AN before this patch occurred. It was a good 4 days or so. Not gonna kill myself over the loss of my precious mini-besieged but it does give me less reason to do anything involving the expansion. Was really fun going through the battles non-stop for hours on end.

Btw the point system is odd too. Sometimes, for no reason the cap varies. As Brass ribbon the most I can get is 700/700, but sometimes the ceiling actually lowers inexplicably, and I'll get something like 250/250 while the rank 2 from the same nation as me gets 450/450, asnd some random dude gets 600/600. Maybe that's been explained somewhere, but it pisses me off a lot.

Time.

The longer you've had your tags active, the higher the cap is.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I got something like 28k AN before this patch occurred. It was a good 4 days or so. Not gonna kill myself over the loss of my precious mini-besieged but it does give me less reason to do anything involving the expansion. Was really fun going through the battles non-stop for hours on end.

Btw the point system is odd too. Sometimes, for no reason the cap varies. As Brass ribbon the most I can get is 700/700, but sometimes the ceiling actually lowers inexplicably, and I'll get something like 250/250 while the rank 2 from the same nation as me gets 450/450, asnd some random dude gets 600/600. Maybe that's been explained somewhere, but it pisses me off a lot.

The cap is 60 xp&an per minute which is, IMO, far superior to standard caps. It's just not nearly as abusable this way... and if you got 28k, chances are you abused it so you know what I'm talking about.

[byte]

Decaying rank is really not something I appreciate. It kind of ruined this expansion. SO WHAT if it's only ever 30 days? It's the principal. What if all your jobs deleveled slowly over time even if you didn't touch them? How would you guys feel about having to buy a bunch of gear for your old jobs just because they deleveled from 37 to 36 lol. Decay is stupid and has no place in MMORPGs. If you want to have temporary rank, then go play FPS.. seriously.

[Khamsin]

I got something like 28k AN before this patch occurred. It was a good 4 days or so. Not gonna kill myself over the loss of my precious mini-besieged but it does give me less reason to do anything involving the expansion. Was really fun going through the battles non-stop for hours on end.

Btw the point system is odd too. Sometimes, for no reason the cap varies. As Brass ribbon the most I can get is 700/700, but sometimes the ceiling actually lowers inexplicably, and I'll get something like 250/250 while the rank 2 from the same nation as me gets 450/450, asnd some random dude gets 600/600. Maybe that's been explained somewhere, but it pisses me off a lot.

The cap is 60 xp&an per minute which is, IMO, far superior to standard caps. It's just not nearly as abusable this way... and if you got 28k, chances are you abused it so you know what I'm talking about.

Changing tags every 600xp wasn't an abuse, though, was it? It seemed like a purposely built-in feature to change tags out, to me.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I got something like 28k AN before this patch occurred. It was a good 4 days or so. Not gonna kill myself over the loss of my precious mini-besieged but it does give me less reason to do anything involving the expansion. Was really fun going through the battles non-stop for hours on end.

Btw the point system is odd too. Sometimes, for no reason the cap varies. As Brass ribbon the most I can get is 700/700, but sometimes the ceiling actually lowers inexplicably, and I'll get something like 250/250 while the rank 2 from the same nation as me gets 450/450, asnd some random dude gets 600/600. Maybe that's been explained somewhere, but it pisses me off a lot.

The cap is 60 xp&an per minute which is, IMO, far superior to standard caps. It's just not nearly as abusable this way... and if you got 28k, chances are you abused it so you know what I'm talking about.

Changing tags every 600xp wasn't an abuse, though, was it? It seemed like a purposely built-in feature to change tags out, to me.

If it wasn't abused, it wouldn't have been changed. The abuse was people who stood around using hp->mp gear to lower their HP then cure themselves up, refreshing their tags after 600 xp's worth or BLM's doing Thundaga III -> Death -> RR -> Repeat.

Plus, I'm not sure what was beneficial about having to refresh your tags. That always seemed really odd.

Decaying rank is really not something I appreciate. It kind of ruined this expansion. SO WHAT if it's only ever 30 days? It's the principal. What if all your jobs deleveled slowly over time even if you didn't touch them? How would you guys feel about having to buy a bunch of gear for your old jobs just because they deleveled from 37 to 36 lol. Decay is stupid and has no place in MMORPGs. If you want to have temporary rank, then go play FPS.. seriously.

You have to buy gear and go to crawler's nest to keep campaign rank?

I'm guessing you don't have to do that much to keep it lol

[Khamsin]

Plus, I'm not sure what was beneficial about having to refresh your tags. That always seemed really odd.

The benefit was allowing you to earn more than 600xp per Campaign. But it was a stupid way of setting up the system, so they changed it to something a little more user-friendly.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Plus, I'm not sure what was beneficial about having to refresh your tags. That always seemed really odd.

The benefit was allowing you to earn more than 600xp per Campaign. But it was a stupid way of setting up the system, so they changed it to something a little more user-friendly.

I got that, I mean design wise it makes no sense and just seems to have been an oversight.

[layoneil]

I'm guessing you don't have to do that much to keep it lol

just as sure as people were about AV being in Kirin farm mode, 12 months after it was introduced.

i don't care either way, i'll make my judgment after we find out what needs to be done to maintain top rank.

[DeadLegend]

and if you got 28k, chances are you abused it so you know what I'm talking about.

Indeed I abused the shit out of the free tag exchange system. But if I was doing enough stuff to gain that many points (even if it involved meleeing on rdm, sup besieged) then I probably deserved them. If I'm soloing one of the easier battles (say dirtyhanded gochakzuk and his gang) then I should probably get more than 60 points/1minute, especially when you consider the battles, for the most part, don't go on an incredibly long time.

Aaaaanyway. I'm not complaining, I did abuse the hell out of it. I capped my rdm buffer from 8k and made enough points to keep myself in sprinter shoes for a while, and I'll continue campaigning because I'm a besieged nerd and I love this crap, I went from 200 buffer on pld75 when besieged was introduced all the way to capped. I'd accept a one tag only system if they just made the battles more frequent. I suppose the "get all you want" tag system was the same as the forbidden fruit of 4000 damage pentas. I'd take 400 points if they'd just go back to the non-stop battles. That way hobos like me who don't have lives could play it all day, and people with lives could play it whenever they want. When you consider campaign battle as WotG's (current) Lv75 exp method, it makes sense.

edit:
there are a number of retarded and out of place comments made in this post

[Maxxthepenguin]

I'm guessing you can keep top rank by doing a few campaign battles/ops and realizing how useful a BLU can be.

[Bakthi]

i don't care either way, i'll make my judgment after we find out what needs to be done to maintain top rank.

This is the thing. I'll want to get the top rank just to do it, anyway. Maybe that last rank just won't decay period. Or if it does, maybe maintenance will be relatively light. I'm sure I'll have some reason to want some stray exp on one job or another from Campaign in a 30-day period, even if I don't particularly care about the AN.

[BRP]

Decaying rank is really not something I appreciate. It kind of ruined this expansion. SO WHAT if it's only ever 30 days? It's the principal. What if all your jobs deleveled slowly over time even if you didn't touch them? How would you guys feel about having to buy a bunch of gear for your old jobs just because they deleveled from 37 to 36 lol. Decay is stupid and has no place in MMORPGs. If you want to have temporary rank, then go play FPS.. seriously.

This is a very weak argument, especially the line about FPS. You aren't explaining how it's bad, only putting it under standards it doesn't belong under.

Your position in Campaign is very important on how it's played. This system puts more power in the hands of people who are currently active rather than people who were active at one time or another. You cannot compare it to Mission Ranks.

[Khrno]

This system puts more power in the hands of people who are currently active rather than people who were active at one time or another. You cannot compare it to Mission Ranks.

So that would mean that you have to devote yourself to Campaing, and forget about Al Zhabi and the AC, Assaults/Nyzul/Salvage, Sky/Sea, Limbus/Dynamis/Einherjar, Kings, many other NMs and getting away from end-game stuff.. Chocobo stuff, Pokemon, NPCs (your npc), leveling up or meriting outside of WotG, crafting, farming, helping someone with AFs, etc, etc, etc.

So if we want to succed with WotG we have to forget about the rest of the game, is that what you are saying, or am I misunderstanding you?

[Hellfury]

no, he's arguing that there is nothing inherently bad in something requiring some work to maintain.

I don't see anywhere in his posting that he argues that this should take a massive effort, merely that it's reasonable that the system is built to appreciate that you put in a continuous effort, Why, exactly shouldn't those who put in more work get more rewards that those who put in an effort once? You can't rest on your laurels forever.

The most natural in game comparison would be the benefits given by the Astral candy, only on a larger scale, don't want to work continuously for the preservation of the bonuses? ok, but don't complain if it's lost.

I note the comparison made to retired generals, this probably varies from country to country, but I don't think a lot of countries have the exact same paycheck to retired generals, as they do to the active ones. And I'm pretty sure most of the bonus'/special offers provided to soldiers on this or that, do not follow them after they left the service (some do of course).

Granted, it is SE we are talking about, but the "extreme" scenario suggesting this will take away significant amounts of time reducing your ability to participate in other events, is unlikely.

The interesting question here is really what kind of effort will be needed in order to maintain rank. And for now, that's really something we'll have to wait and see about.

[Koga]

There is a lesson to be learned here. Everything WoW does is not good! This is like straight copy from WoW PvP ranking system which they have removed because it is stupid and unfun.

Meh.. I liked CP Grinding.
I was rank 13 when they killed it