Campaign Mobs: OMG DID YOU HEAR QUADAVS ARE FIXED?

[Yutuyu]

You guys are too much fun.

Actually, you guys are just so ridculously biased and idiotic it's hard to keep attempting to make a point with you.

We have a lot in common then, can't we just hug and sing campfire songs?

Here, on my server, the few Bastokian area campiagns I have been to, nobody showed.

Including you, apparently. This explains a lot.

SE doesn't just fix shit that needs to be fixed because it's broken, like AV, Einherjar or Kings,

They don't JUST do that? They do more?! Oh boy, I can't wait! (huh, when did they fix AV or Kings?)

they fix the retarded shit that was too hard for the people on Alla and KI

Well... that explains it. Only people on Allah and KI join the Bastokan forces apparently. Thank you for enlightening me.

When your arguement isn't completely biased and full of bullshit maybe I will bother reading it.

How're you gonna know they're not "biased and full of bullshit" if you don't read them? PSYCHIC POWERZ

[Yutuyu]

I'm not explaining to another idiot the wonders of black magic's ability to bypass defense and evasion. Holy shit. Is there something in the water?

OH MY GOD WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT! If only we all thought to switch to our level 75 Black Mages and Manaburn the Quadav sooner. This is obviously how SE intended it.

...just think of how much time we lost posting on this forum.

(. . )

[Priran]

Here, on my server, the few Bastokian area campiagns I have been to, nobody showed.

Including you, apparently. This explains a lot.

you're a comedian

SE doesn't just fix shit that needs to be fixed because it's broken, like AV, Einherjar or Kings,

They don't JUST do that? They do more?! Oh boy, I can't wait! (huh, when did they fix AV or Kings?)

"needs to be fixed because it's broken <list of broken things>". If you think this means that they were fixed, you are an english mastar.

they fix the retarded shit that was too hard for the people on Alla and KI

Well... that explains it. Only people on Allah and KI join the Bastokan forces apparently. Thank you for enlightening me.

another kneeslapper

When your arguement isn't completely biased and full of bullshit maybe I will bother reading it.

How're you gonna know they're not "biased and full of bullshit" if you don't read them? PSYCHIC POWERZ

you're killing me

[Lucavi]

You know who has something to lose by ignoring tough battles with the Quadav? Bastokans! You know whose responsibility it should be to fight those quadav off? Bastokans! I can't fucking wait until SE makes it possible for other nations to take regions that aren't their own, Conquest-style, just so that Sandy/Windy can take Rolanberry and make Bastok shut up.

We're out there in full force, but riddle me this: if 70 people can't take it, what makes you think 25 people can?

I'm not explaining to another idiot the wonders of black magic's ability to bypass defense and evasion. Holy shit. Is there something in the water?

So all bastokans need to play black mage just so we can hurt the quads? By the way, they resist magic slightly. I like your idea though: when something is broken, manaburn it!

[Priran]

I'm not explaining to another idiot the wonders of black magic's ability to bypass defense and evasion. Holy shit. Is there something in the water?

OH MY GOD WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT! If only we all thought to switch to our level 75 Black Mages and Manaburn the Quadav sooner. This is obviously how SE intended it.

...just think of how much time we lost posting on this forum.

Black mage just might be the rarest job in Vana'diel, after all. Damn SE, why of all times would you just now start introducing things that, while possible to do with melee, are faster and more painless with BLMs?

Not that BLMs are always going to be required, but Bastok is kind of behind the eight ball on Campaign.

[Lucavi]

So lets let Windurst and Sandoria get away with meleeburning, yet pigeon-hole bastok into manaburning? That's your amazing conclusion to all of this? That's your idea of equality? Brilliant!

Now tell me, how do you tell the NPCs to stop shooting and start manaburning?

[Priran]

So lets let Windurst and Sandoria get away with meleeburning, yet pigeon-hole bastok into manaburning? That's your amazing conclusion to all of this? That's your idea of equality? Brilliant!

No no no, by all means let's have SE nerf the quadavs into teddy bears because all 14 Bastokans slacked off during week 1, giving the Adamantking the opportunity he needed to cry havok and let slip the turtles of war.

[Lucavi]

No no no, by all means let's have SE nerf the quadavs into teddy bears because all 14 Bastokans slacked off during week 1, giving the Adamantking the opportunity he needed to cry havok and let slip the turtles of war.

So witty! Why not instead just balance their defense out to be comparable with the other nations, and leave their attack and abilities the same? Everyone wins!

You twit.

[Priran]

No no no, by all means let's have SE nerf the quadavs into teddy bears because all 14 Bastokans slacked off during week 1, giving the Adamantking the opportunity he needed to cry havok and let slip the turtles of war.

So witty! Why not instead just balance their defense out to be comparable with the other nations, and leave their attack and abilities the same? Everyone wins!

You twit.

Oh and while we're at it, we can SE scrap the whole concept of beastmen getting stronger when they do better, so there's no repercussions for sucking!

[Lucavi]

Forget it -- you're totally clueless. Despite Wafik's SS showing Quads being stronger and harder to kill than Yags and Orcs while all 3 were at max Morale and Resources, you still think its all Bastok's fault.

Whatever. SE will patch it, you will call people lazy/losers/whatever, and many, many people will be made happy.

[Priran]

Wafik posted a picture of Orcs and Quads at equal levels, said orcs were weaker than quads, and left it to you, the home viewer, to take what he said at face value. Wafik actually fighting a hard orc and quadav and posting damage would have been useful.

P.S. I'm in Pashhow and there are like 5 people. Someone just zoned the NM and his Peistes, something I've never seen before, which was as hilarious as I imagined. The Bastokan fighting spirit is strong.

[Lucavi]

Wafik posted a picture of Orcs and Quads at equal levels, said orcs were weaker than quads, and left it to you, the home viewer, to take what he said at face value. Wafik actually fighting a hard orc and quadav and posting damage would have been useful.

Name a hard orc that isn't a NM.

[Priran]

Steelhide Protector, Longtooth Pillager.

[Lucavi]

Steelhide Protector, Longtooth Pillager.

Jokes. My drg/whm had no problems whatsoever. Also, compare them to a Qulun Heavyshell.

[Aymee]

I give up, too. Since Priran doesn't actually seem to answer questions. I'm out of things to post about since one side of the debate isn't actually contributing any of the information. My only hope is that people read through this and realize how absurdly stupid personal insults were on one side with actual ideas trying to be discussed on the other (with, uh, less stupid personal insults).
Meh.

Bottom line: I would like to see all areas be controlled by any nation, so sandy and windy can try their hand at quadav and see what they think if they're kept as-is from now. Lock thread and check back in 2 patches.

People submitting factual and statistical information about the composition of Beastmen or Nation NPC defender platoons, their locations, their leaders, etc. can start a new thread meant only for data collection. Reports on what zone, what attackers, how many defenders (players) and what/how many if any NPC defenders should be included, along with the results/general battle outcome.

Since this isn't going to be cured by arguing, I guess numbers are going to have to solve it. BG people and posters are good at data collection and evaluation... so let's do it.

[Priran]

We must be thinking of different Steelhide Protectors and Longtooth Pillagers? The Protectors, for example, took barely more damage than the quadav I fought in Rolanberry, hit for around 200-250, countered nearly everything, and had a shit ton of HP.

During one fight in Jugner, I ran over to help a DRG that was having trouble with one and he super jumped it. I then proceeded to get my shadows raped by AoE, then Slam Dunked, then countered into the ground. True story.

[Naphtali]

Protectors & bakgodek are kinda hard since they are immune to all magic though >.>

[Tulun]

If the Quadavs are naturally harder for no reason under our control than it should definitely be brought down to similar levels to Orcs and Yagudo, unless Bastoks rewards for winning are better for winning. If our mobs are much harder, shouldn't we reap more benefits from winning?
If the Orcs and Yags were at a similar level to Quadav, if they are powerhouses, I would agree the same thing.

If they *are* harder because Bastok isn't doing as well, we'll just have to suck it up and do better...

I will say if they wanna make quadavs ultra defensive, they have to balance it out by making their offense much easier to manage. If Quadavs are just super defensive and still can hit as hard (or harder) than their beastmen cousins, that's just silly It's like making a paladin out dot a monk while in full tanking gear.

[Koyuki]

Di'Dha Adamantfist

Probably the most hated Quadav NM. His guards aren't too strong but their defense is unbeleviable (as is Di'Dha's).

Zoned into a Rolanberry campaign, joined and decided to see what was going down. Theyre were about 45-50 people just smashing this guy with little to no affect. Got him down to around 55% and he used Bene. Got him back down to 22% and he Bene'd, eventually got him to 56% and campaign ended.

He's not very fun

[Builttolast]

The fact that NPCs from Windurst and San'Doria have no problems controlling the strongholds (eldeime and garlaige), with little to no PC intervention, while neither NPCs or swarms of PCs can make a dent in Pashow, Rollanberry and Crawlers Nest at any time, even with outside help.

Something isn't right.