NCAA Basketball 2007-2008

[Akiyama]

Very bad last possession there. Curry would have had a better shot shooting a contested 3 than Richards from near half-court. Oh well. All four #1s in the Final 4 for the first time in history. Congrats Kansas and a great run by Davidson.

[Azkarin]

Damnit, that was a horrible final shot. I'd rather have Curry coming of a screen and getting a shot rather than having him create by himself. And for once will a team shoot the ball with more than .1 second left to give themself a chance for a rebound/putback?

[Mizango]

Damnit, that was a horrible final shot. I'd rather have Curry coming of a screen and getting a shot rather than having him create by himself. And for once will a team shoot the ball with more than .1 second left to give themself a chance for a rebound/putback?

I've been saying that for years. Glad to see i'm not the only one thinking that way lol.

[Plow]

Here's my take on what happened.

They sat that dark haired guy to rest him, and Curry took over the point. This was at, I dunno, 10:00ish in the 2nd. Right about the 7 minute mark, they zoomed in on Curry bringing the ball up and he just looked dead tired, and they called a time out.

There were like 4 more time outs over the next few minutes, but they still looked pretty damn tired.


In the end, it came down to the fact that they were too tired to keep going much longer, and they had no defense if it went to overtime and the big guys came back in. That made them decide to just go for the win, and KU got exactly what they wanted, someone other than Curry or even the other super shooter guy taking the biggest shot of their life from way deep with bodies in front of him.


Great game overall, raised some questions about Kansas perhaps but man that Davidson team is good. If they had some depth I think they would've ended up winning.


NC v KU = wow, dream matchup, the final 4 and the finals are going to be insane.




Edit: The really smart thing to do there in my eyes would have been to just go for the tie, I understand the Jordanesque aura around this kid but how many of Jordan's truly big plays were deep 3's with the opponents in his face? Big shot Bob anyone? "The" shot from 16 feet?

[Azkarin]

I think that they were tired and the final play broke down. With little energy I just think they didn't have anything left thus leading to the bad shot. The announcers were right, he had a few chances to go behind the back and take it to the lane. Penetrate and kick or try and finish. Oh well... nothings going to change. The final 4 match ups are awesome and imo are the best teams in the country left.

[Plow]

Curry's coming back (he's insane to do it but whatever)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourn ... id=3321332


If that allows them to get some major recruits and develop some depth along with the extra conditioning you know they're going to focus on... next year could be pretty interesting.

[Doofus]

Curry's coming back (he's insane to do it but whatever)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourn ... id=3321332


If that allows them to get some major recruits and develop some depth along with the extra conditioning you know they're going to focus on... next year could be pretty interesting.

I'm 100% against players leaving early for NBA, I just don't think its right. Unless you invent something like google, sports is the only area of college where sophmores can leave and become millionaires, and thats just dumb. Finishing college can only make you a better person, and better at your sport.

The only reason UNC didn't win the 06 and 07 title is because the core of the 05 team(they were freshmen and sophmores) were gutted by the NBA draft.

[Tyche]

Curry's coming back (he's insane to do it but whatever)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourn ... id=3321332


If that allows them to get some major recruits and develop some depth along with the extra conditioning you know they're going to focus on... next year could be pretty interesting.

I'm 100% against players leaving early for NBA, I just don't think its right. Unless you invent something like google, sports is the only area of college where sophmores can leave and become millionaires, and thats just dumb. Finishing college can only make you a better person, and better at your sport.

The only reason UNC didn't win the 06 and 07 title is because the core of the 05 team(they were freshmen and sophmores) were gutted by the NBA draft.

ROFLHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

"I don't like the drafting rules because they may have cost up a championship"

Get the fuck over yourself. I thought, maybe, it was just the Duke fans in NC that were batshit crazy, maybe it's just all of north carolina. You know why people like bill gates, peter jennings, Thomas Edison (don't think he graduated high school) are millionaires/famed; because they are at the top of their profession. You'd be amazed how many people self-build enormous wealth without stepping foot on a college campus. Whether you invent google, microsoft, an automatic tie knotter, write books, whatever, it means you are at the top of your game. No where in the U.S. do we require any college experience to become a millionaire. It's aboslutely incorrect to say that sports in the only area where you can leave early for millions. No, if any of those people in other undergrad courses are the best at what they study, they can certainly made millions at it.

[Doofus]

Curry's coming back (he's insane to do it but whatever)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourn ... id=3321332


If that allows them to get some major recruits and develop some depth along with the extra conditioning you know they're going to focus on... next year could be pretty interesting.

I'm 100% against players leaving early for NBA, I just don't think its right. Unless you invent something like google, sports is the only area of college where sophmores can leave and become millionaires, and thats just dumb. Finishing college can only make you a better person, and better at your sport.

The only reason UNC didn't win the 06 and 07 title is because the core of the 05 team(they were freshmen and sophmores) were gutted by the NBA draft.

ROFLHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

"I don't like the drafting rules because they may have cost up a championship"

Get the fuck over yourself. I thought, maybe, it was just the Duke fans in NC that were batshit crazy, maybe it's just all of north carolina. You know why people like bill gates, peter jennings, Thomas Edison (don't think he graduated high school) are millionaires/famed; because they are at the top of their profession. You'd be amazed how many people self-build enormous wealth without stepping foot on a college campus. Whether you invent google, microsoft, an automatic tie knotter, write books, whatever, it means you are at the top of your game. No where in the U.S. do we require any college experience to become a millionaire. It's aboslutely incorrect to say that sports in the only area where you can leave early for millions. No, if any of those people in other undergrad courses are the best at what they study, they can certainly made millions at it.

Childish much? Aren't you a father now? Start acting like one. Your need to come into a thread and become negative like that anytime someone disagrees with you baffles me. I sorta always thought you were somewhat of a troll but in this particular thread you have made me go "wow" a few times(that little immature thing with the smilies was another), try debating a point rather than calling the person that disagrees with you stupid every chance you get. Grow up for christs sake.

Why you mentioned gates and edison also confuses me, seeing as how i said unless you 'invent something like google'(which gates and edison did..) you are better off in college, and will become a better person and better at what you do. So were you agreeing with me there... or what?

I mentioned the UNC situation as a side note, i'm a UNC fan of course i'm going to use them as my example... But unless you somehow assume that every other good team in history hasn't been hurt by the draft, then i'm not sure why you're ripping on me picking UNC.

Another point: what if you get injured in your sport?(happens more often than you may think) People tell you to have something to fall back on for a reason.

[Byrd]

I'm 100% against players leaving early for NBA, I just don't think its right. Unless you invent something like google, sports is the only area of college where sophmores can leave and become millionaires, and thats just dumb.

While there is some practical training that comes with college (the exact amount depends on the degree), the primary purpose of college is supposedly to show that you are ready to participate fully in your chosen career. If you can leave early for a starting salary that's equivalent to what these guys are making, why wouldn't you leave? The average NBA life span is very short, and very few have longer than a 10-year career, regardless of what age they enter the NBA. A good chunk of this is predicated upon physical age and wear -- that wear comes where you're getting paid very little (college tuition + living expenses) or where you are making millions of dollars a year. For some guys, it is important ot stay in college to hone their skills; for others, it would be a waste of time.

Pretend someone came to you after your freshman or sophomore year in college, and said "I'll give you $10 million guaranteed for the next 3 years worth of work, with the possibility of future work at a higher salary if that works out. And if not, you can return to college to finish what you started." I'll guarantee you would have snapped up the opportunity, as would have everyone else in this thread, myself included.

Finishing college can only make you a better person, and better at your sport.

Better at your sport? Sure. But the practical training you receive in the NBA is better training than that you would receive in college; it's a tradeoff. Finishing college make you a better person? Bullshit; a college degree says very little about character or intelligence. A college degree shows is the ability to jump through hoops for an extended period of time. In many fields, this is necessary and/or an indication of future success. A college degree means nothing in the NBA.

The only reason UNC didn't win the 06 and 07 title is because the core of the 05 team(they were freshmen and sophmores) were gutted by the NBA draft.

Unless, of course, they ran up against the Carmelo Anthony-led Syracuse, or the Ohio State team with LeBron James and Greg Oden. This year's Florida team (back-to-back national title full starting lineup returning) vs. Texas (LaMarcus Aldrige - Kevin Durant) would make a heck of a national title game, and knock this year's Tar Heels on their rumps. You can make the same argument for any team that has lost significant early entries to the NBA; no school is exempt from this.

If your school isn't losing early entries, they're not recruiting very well. Be glad your school is losing early entries, because it means they are getting the best players in the first place.

[Tyche]

Curry's coming back (he's insane to do it but whatever)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourn ... id=3321332


If that allows them to get some major recruits and develop some depth along with the extra conditioning you know they're going to focus on... next year could be pretty interesting.

I'm 100% against players leaving early for NBA, I just don't think its right. Unless you invent something like google, sports is the only area of college where sophmores can leave and become millionaires, and thats just dumb. Finishing college can only make you a better person, and better at your sport.

The only reason UNC didn't win the 06 and 07 title is because the core of the 05 team(they were freshmen and sophmores) were gutted by the NBA draft.

ROFLHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

"I don't like the drafting rules because they may have cost up a championship"

Get the fuck over yourself. I thought, maybe, it was just the Duke fans in NC that were batshit crazy, maybe it's just all of north carolina. You know why people like bill gates, peter jennings, Thomas Edison (don't think he graduated high school) are millionaires/famed; because they are at the top of their profession. You'd be amazed how many people self-build enormous wealth without stepping foot on a college campus. Whether you invent google, microsoft, an automatic tie knotter, write books, whatever, it means you are at the top of your game. No where in the U.S. do we require any college experience to become a millionaire. It's aboslutely incorrect to say that sports in the only area where you can leave early for millions. No, if any of those people in other undergrad courses are the best at what they study, they can certainly made millions at it.

Childish much? Aren't you a father now? Start acting like one. Your need to come into a thread and become negative like that anytime someone disagrees with you baffles me. I sorta always thought you were somewhat of a troll but in this particular thread you have made me go "wow" a few times(that little immature thing with the smilies was another), try debating a point rather than calling the person that disagrees with you stupid every chance you get. Grow up for christs sake.

Why you mentioned gates and edison also confuses me, seeing as how i said unless you 'invent something like google'(which gates and edison did..) you are better off in college, and will become a better person and better at what you do. So were you agreeing with me there... or what?

I mentioned the UNC situation as a side note, i'm a UNC fan of course i'm going to use them as my example... But unless you somehow assume that every other good team in history hasn't been hurt by the draft, then i'm not sure why you're ripping on me picking UNC.

Another point: what if you get injured in your sport?(happens more often than you may think) People tell you to have something to fall back on for a reason.

Wow lol. I'm a bad father folks! I'd like to formally welcome you to the internet and forums, where people who disagree with you will call you out. People rip me for my opinions, I'll rip people for theirs. A troll would indicate I just argue to argue, but most would agree I usually carry very poignant arguments even though my views a lot of the time have me on the not popular side. Then again, I guess not having the popular opinion and arguing it makes you a troll. Like I said, get the fuck over yourself.

Anywho, I laid out my points, but you completely negated to understand them. That's not my problem, but i'll break it down for you into elementary terms.

These kids that are leaving for the NBA early ABSOLUTELY ARE the "google inventors, thomas edison, and bill gates" of their profession. There are thousands upon thousands of D1 student athletes, how many go pro early, or at all? The small percentage tha are at the top of their game.

As far as getting injured in your sport, it shows you really do have a lack of knowledge in this area. Almost all professional sports players insure themselves for injury. Kind of like a surgeon may insure his hand, a basketball player may insure their wellness. They'll get paid if they get injured (which can also happen in college, and portentially cost them millions upon millions).

Edit: i should add you really shouldn't take it so personal. I wasn't calling you an idiot, i was generalizing your fanbase as being irrational, and you being selfish and closed-minded (which you would have avoided this by simply leaving out the "It cost us a championship" comment). Take out the "fan" in yourself and act rational. One thing I've noticed with you is an inability to seperate yourself far enough from the situation to think logically. You use "we" when referring to UNC. Go back and look and see if I ever use the word "we" when referring you UofL. I would be absolutely shocked if I did, and I went to school there. Did you go to school at UNC? None-the-less, I argue with people a lot here, Kuya, Beckwin, a lot of people. Hell, Akiyama, in the nicest way possible, told me I was stupid when it came to college hoops. You think I care, I love me some Akiyama, I'd let him bake my wedding cake. After we argue and call each other names, we'll go play in the sandbox they call the spam forums and act like nothing ever happened. That's how it works. Quit being a damn baby.

[Doofus]

I'm a baby now because i'd rather debate than fight? Thats a new one.

I said start acting like a father as in an adult, its people like you who propagate the myth that you can't have intelligent discussion on the internet without being flamed for your opinion. When the other guy quits when he realizes you are just gonna flame him till the cows come home != you win, try sticking to the points.

I pointed out that I used UNC as an EXAMPLE of a team, how you got that i am against players leaving early to the NBA because of only UNC is beyond me..especially when i said thats not the case. Change my example to LSU and shaq, or beasley and whatever school it is hes leaving. The example was only because i like UNC but it happens to all teams, quit making it an integral part of my arguement, its not.

Back to the topic:

Personally i'm gonna admit, I don't care for the NBA(and most professional sports) in general. A bunch guys that play for money, half of them don't care about the game anymore. College basketball is more exciting because they actually care, the only incentive they have to win is just that, to win. You could argue they have the incentive to play well to get into the NBA and make money, and that may be true but still, its more about the game and less about the money in college.

About the insurance, that only goes so far. You will earn more playing than sitting on the sidelines anyday, and if you have a career ending injury(like that one guy on the motorcycle or something, forgot his name), you're shit outta luck, that insurance stuff is for maybe a single season long injury or something.

Bryd: sure i would take 10mil to go pro from freshman, I don't blame the players, its an obvious choice. But once i got into the NBA and realized i'm not top dog anymore, and everyone is that good, i'd be second guessing myself(prime example is the charlotte bobcats: they have felton, may, okafor, and jason richardson, some of the best college players of the decade, yet they SUCK). I think the kids are blinded by the money and/or lazy and don't want to get a degree. If you're good enough to get into the NBA your freshman year, you will be your senior year, I really just don't see the harm in staying, maybe i'm wrong but thats just my opinion.

Maybe i'm biased here, once the hornets left charlotte, love of the NBA kinda died down in general here(still are plenty of fans but for sure not as much), and now all we have are the bobcats. On the other hand we have 5 or 6 very good college basketball teams within driving distance(i'm talking historically, even though most of them have had bad years). You really can't blame me for liking college way more than the NBA. So my opinion may be biased, but it has basis.

[Tyche]

I'm a baby now because i'd rather debate than fight? Thats a new one.

I said start acting like a father as in an adult, its people like you who propagate the myth that you can't have intelligent discussion on the internet without being flamed for your opinion. When the other guy quits when he realizes you are just gonna flame him till the cows come home != you win, try sticking to the points.

I pointed out that I used UNC as an EXAMPLE of a team, how you got that i am against players leaving early to the NBA because of only UNC is beyond me..especially when i said thats not the case. Change my example to LSU and shaq, or beasley and whatever school it is hes leaving. The example was only because i like UNC but it happens to all teams, quit making it an integral part of my arguement, its not.

Back to the topic:

Personally i'm gonna admit, I don't care for the NBA(and most professional sports) in general. A bunch guys that play for money, half of them don't care about the game anymore. College basketball is more exciting because they actually care, the only incentive they have to win is just that, to win. You could argue they have the incentive to play well to get into the NBA and make money, and that may be true but still, its more about the game and less about the money in college.

About the insurance, that only goes so far. You will earn more playing than sitting on the sidelines anyday, and if you have a career ending injury(like that one guy on the motorcycle or something, forgot his name), you're shit outta luck, that insurance stuff is for maybe a single season long injury or something.

Bryd: sure i would take 10mil to go pro from freshman, I don't blame the players, its an obvious choice. But once i got into the NBA and realized i'm not top dog anymore, and everyone is that good, i'd be second guessing myself(prime example is the charlotte bobcats: they have felton, may, okafor, and jason richardson, some of the best college players of the decade, yet they SUCK). I think the kids are blinded by the money and/or lazy and don't want to get a degree. If you're good enough to get into the NBA your freshman year, you will be your senior year, I really just don't see the harm in staying, maybe i'm wrong but thats just my opinion.

Maybe i'm biased here, once the hornets left charlotte, love of the NBA kinda died down in general here(still are plenty of fans but for sure not as much), and now all we have are the bobcats. On the other hand we have 5 or 6 very good college basketball teams within driving distance(i'm talking historically, even though most of them have had bad years). You really can't blame me for liking college way more than the NBA. So my opinion may be biased, but it has basis.

I called you a baby because you are being selfish (admittedly!) and when I call you out on it, you tell me to act like an adult. "Maybe I'm biased here". "I don't care for the NBA". And I sound like the child here...don't confuse my bluntness with immaturity. It's far from that. I can be very very nice and sweet and say the exact same thing I said, and I'll get a totally different reaction out of you.

As far as the insurance thing, no it's not for one season, you can insure it for contracts, whatever. I'm surprised you didn't know Jay Williams (the chicago bulls player who had a life threatening motorcycle accident), he played college at Duke. What if he continued to play for 4 years, was highly scouted, first overall, then in his senior year, he blew out a knee and can never play again. Kiss millions of millions of dollars goodbye from the NBA, but hey, you have the degree in marketing that will net you $60,000 a year, it'll be alright! Most of these kids leaving college early get signing bonuses that account for more than they'll make over a lifetime working at a job with a college degree.

As far as "If your really good your freshman year, you'll be really good your senior year", tell that to Joakim Noah, who lost millions of dollars by staying for ONE more year. Wonder what would have happened over 4?

Edit: i'll give you this much. Another rule change to keep players in college longer will benefit both college basketball and pro-basketball. It sucks for the players and a majority of fans though.

EDITX2: You act as if they leave early, and get injured or something, they are completely out of options. You know, you can leave college and....come back? They can't participate in athletics, but they can get an education/degree. I see a lot more risk in staying than I do in leaving early.

[Doofus]

stuff i said

I called you a baby because you are being selfish (admittedly!) and when I call you out on it, you tell me to act like an adult. "Maybe I'm biased here". "I don't care for the NBA". And I sound like the child here...don't confuse my bluntness with immaturity. It's far from that. I can be very very nice and sweet and say the exact same thing I said, and I'll get a totally different reaction out of you.

As far as the insurance thing, no it's not for one season, you can insure it for contracts, whatever. I'm surprised you didn't know Jay Williams (the chicago bulls player who had a life threatening motorcycle accident), he played college at Duke. What if he continued to play for 4 years, was highly scouted, first overall, then in his senior year, he blew out a knee and can never play again. Kiss millions of millions of dollars goodbye from the NBA, but hey, you have the degree in marketing that will net you $60,000 a year, it'll be alright!

As far as "If your really good your freshman year, you'll be really good your senior year", tell that to Joakim Noah, who lost millions of dollars by staying for ONE more year. Wonder what would have happened over 4?

The I pronouns and such denote my opinion, what I think, and since i can only speak for myself what else am i supposed to use? I speak my opinion, you say yours, thats how this stuff works.

Perhaps I was wrong on the insurance subject, but, now that person is getting paid millions...when hes not even playing? If thats how it is, i'm not sure thats any better. I've heard of workmans comp, and disability but damn, he isn't going to starve on the streets if he only makes 60 grand a year(i'm not sure of your income situation, so i wont assume anything, but some people would be very happy with 60k salary) instead of those millions he isn't even earning, that sounds sorta like a leech to me.

I'm not sure who Joakim Noah is, you'll have to enlighten me on that one.

Also just a side note: if you graduate from duke with a 4 year degree you are making more than 60k a year, duke is an elite private school with like 40k tuition a year or something stupid like that. Thats the same with curry and davidson(elite private school here right outside charlotte), the original spark to this convo, they are weighing doctor/lawyer vs nba star. Thats not the same as 60k cubicle farm job vs nba star. So they probably wont leave as early as someone at a public school taking those easy courses and looking at a 60k future.

One could argue that most athletes take easy courses, but thats their choice and lack of planning, so i'm not sure if they didn't get the memo that most student athletes don't go pro or its just arrogance but if i was in their shoes I would plan accordingly just in case i wasn't the best thing since sliced bread.

I think the difference in our opinions is you're looking at this from the players side(which is a very important side i agree, and i see where you're comming from), and I'm looking at it from the other side. If i was a player sure I'd want millions like i said in the previous post, but i still just don't think its right, that is all.

now see, why cant you just post normal like that last post all the time so we can discuss stuff

[archibaldcrane]

If i was a player sure I'd want millions like i said in the previous post, but i still just don't think its right, that is all.

They just make what the market bears.

If you want to be ensured that you'll make 100k/year and you are a first-round NBA pick-level talent in college, you don't stay 4 years, get your MBA and fall back on that if you get hurt in college, you sign an NBA contract, take your 2-15 million in guaranteed money, and if all else fails live on 4% interest from that cash. It's a hell of alot more than 100k/year, and you can do nothing at all and make it until you die.

[Doofus]

If i was a player sure I'd want millions like i said in the previous post, but i still just don't think its right, that is all.

They just make what the market bears.

If you want to be ensured that you'll make 100k/year and you are a first-round NBA pick-level talent in college, you don't stay 4 years, get your MBA and fall back on that if you get hurt in college, you sign an NBA contract, take your 2-15 million in guaranteed money, and if all else fails live on 4% interest from that cash. It's a hell of alot more than 100k/year, and you can do nothing at all and make it until you die.

Once again, if I were a player I would agree with you. But don't you see that as being very selfish and greedy? And if they do happen to get injured...a leech?

[archibaldcrane]

Once again, if I were a player I would agree with you. But don't you see that as being very selfish and greedy? And if they do happen to get injured...a leech?

I see it as being smart and opportunistic. If an NBA team doesn't want you, they won't draft you and pay you. College kids didn't negotiate for guaranteed contracts, but that's the situation they are leaping into. It's just smart for them.

I'm a much bigger college fan than an NBA fan, and I recognize that one-and-dones hurt the quality of the college game, and that sucks as a fan. If David Stern is able to push the college requirement to two years as he wants to, I'd be happy as a fan (but confused as a capitalist).

The only way it's "selfish and greedy" is if you plan on signing a contract and not trying. The contract is awarded based on the expectations that you will give your best for your team. Fulfill that and that's all the player has to do. I do, however, think it's "selfish and greedy" of you, as a college fan, to chastise players for going to make millions of dollars instead of playing longer for free for your enjoyment.

Maybe I'm less bitter because as a Wisconsin fan, our future pros generally stay for 3-4 years (Michael Finley, Devin Harris, Alando Tucker) so I don't feel like the players are just whoring their Badger experience for a shot at the NBA. Or maybe Wisconsin is just that great. I haven't decided.

[Tyche]

stuff i said

I called you a baby because you are being selfish (admittedly!) and when I call you out on it, you tell me to act like an adult. "Maybe I'm biased here". "I don't care for the NBA". And I sound like the child here...don't confuse my bluntness with immaturity. It's far from that. I can be very very nice and sweet and say the exact same thing I said, and I'll get a totally different reaction out of you.

As far as the insurance thing, no it's not for one season, you can insure it for contracts, whatever. I'm surprised you didn't know Jay Williams (the chicago bulls player who had a life threatening motorcycle accident), he played college at Duke. What if he continued to play for 4 years, was highly scouted, first overall, then in his senior year, he blew out a knee and can never play again. Kiss millions of millions of dollars goodbye from the NBA, but hey, you have the degree in marketing that will net you $60,000 a year, it'll be alright!

As far as "If your really good your freshman year, you'll be really good your senior year", tell that to Joakim Noah, who lost millions of dollars by staying for ONE more year. Wonder what would have happened over 4?

The I pronouns and such denote my opinion, what I think, and since i can only speak for myself what else am i supposed to use? I speak my opinion, you say yours, thats how this stuff works.

Perhaps I was wrong on the insurance subject, but, now that person is getting paid millions...when hes not even playing? If thats how it is, i'm not sure thats any better. I've heard of workmans comp, and disability but damn, he isn't going to starve on the streets if he only makes 60 grand a year(i'm not sure of your income situation, so i wont assume anything, but some people would be very happy with 60k salary) instead of those millions he isn't even earning, that sounds sorta like a leech to me.

I'm not sure who Joakim Noah is, you'll have to enlighten me on that one.

Also just a side note: if you graduate from duke with a 4 year degree you are making more than 60k a year, duke is an elite private school with like 40k tuition a year or something stupid like that. Thats the same with curry and davidson(elite private school here right outside charlotte), the original spark to this convo, they are weighing doctor/lawyer vs nba star. Thats not the same as 60k cubicle farm job vs nba star. So they probably wont leave as early as someone at a public school taking those easy courses and looking at a 60k future.

One could argue that most athletes take easy courses, but thats their choice and lack of planning, so i'm not sure if they didn't get the memo that most student athletes don't go pro or its just arrogance but if i was in their shoes I would plan accordingly just in case i wasn't the best thing since sliced bread.

I think the difference in our opinions is you're looking at this from the players side(which is a very important side i agree, and i see where you're comming from), and I'm looking at it from the other side. If i was a player sure I'd want millions like i said in the previous post, but i still just don't think its right, that is all.

now see, why cant you just post normal like that last post all the time so we can discuss stuff

You understand, that even if they go NBA early and completely bomb, they are still assured a boatload of cash that would be more than enough to carry them and their family through college and allow them to pursue a different career. I really don't see a whole lot of risk. I see some potential reward, like in the case of players who would go maybe 2nd or third round if they came out their freshman year, stay for another year or two, prove themselves, and become a lottery pick. I doubt hansbrough would have been a lottery pick at the end of last season, but this year he'll probably go middle of first round.

As far as my first point, when I said you need to separate yourself and your fanhood from the issue, I meant exactly to look at it from a different perspective. You, a huge UNC fan, looks at what is best for the school. You looked at what is best from college basketball. You can have an argument/debate and still remain partial to all points of view. That's the mark of a great debater. You'll note how I said "It would be great for the NBA, it would be great for college...however, it would be terrible for the players and their fanbase". Put on a different pair of glasses and look at the same debate. (This is me being nice by the way, hopefully it'll cater a bit more to your style).

[archibaldcrane]

I see some potential reward, like in the case of players who would go maybe 2nd or third round

Does not compute.

[Byrd]

I think the difference in our opinions is you're looking at this from the players side(which is a very important side i agree, and i see where you're comming from), and I'm looking at it from the other side. If i was a player sure I'd want millions like i said in the previous post, but i still just don't think its right, that is all.

I wish the players would stay longer, but there's no real reason for them to. Leaving college only keeps them from playing in college again, it doesn't keep them from going back. I think it's fair to assume that most players who leave early think of basketball as their career / major and whatever classwork they have to take is incidental to their basketball career. Having something to fall back on is the money they'll have after the NBA which will allow them to go back to college should they so choose (which, I would wager, most don't).

From a fan's point of view, I would strongly prefer players stay in college for 4 years. Imagine the Memphis-Texas game if Texas had Aldrige & Durant. Or if Florida still had their "Fab 5," or Oden & Conley were at Ohio State for four years. The NBA is much less appealing to me than college sports, even when my favorite NBA team (Portland) is exciting and has a bright future and my alma mater is absolutely awful (Oregon State). Someone once described the difference between college vs pro better than I ever could:

In college, you play for the name on the front of the jersey. In the NBA, you play for the name on the back.