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[archibaldcrane]

The jews aren't going anywhere. Regardless of how bad you want them to, they're not going ANYWHERE because they have nowhere else to go to.

I could probably name 15 countries off the top of my head where a jewish person would be safer from anti-semitic violence than in Israel. There are -plenty- of places where nobody really gives a fuck about "the chosen people".

[Palin]

And for the people trying to compare the Chinese forming a state in the Carolinas to the situation in Israel... wow how ignorant can you get?

Way to miss the context, look at the underlying theme instead of reading the surface. The example of nationalism and displacement is what I was getting at, not the specifics or realism of the example.

[Palin]

God I am so happy we forced you out of your land. You don't deserve it. I'm going to piss on your holy land daily until you get so angry you blow yourself up. The retarded part of the Islamic argument is that you feel you are justified in fighting back and killing to regain your holy land. What does it matter where you pray? Your God will think less of you if you don't kill all the Jews and retake Jerusalem?

Are you angry? lol. All what is said, and you just simply go back to the starting point, meh.

Yeah I'm a little angry. You keep trying to convince everyone that killing Israeli innocents is justified. I'm serious about the last part though. Answer this:

It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

Generalize more. Because you know, all Muslims kill people in the name of their religion. And no Christians do that either. There's right-wing fundamentalists in all religions, they're not the majority or even condoned. Ignorant people will use religion as a justification for their ignorant hatred and intolerance. Look outside the box and what the media tells you.

[Beckwin]

God I am so happy we forced you out of your land. You don't deserve it. I'm going to piss on your holy land daily until you get so angry you blow yourself up. The retarded part of the Islamic argument is that you feel you are justified in fighting back and killing to regain your holy land. What does it matter where you pray? Your God will think less of you if you don't kill all the Jews and retake Jerusalem? It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

I know this is crazy, but the issue might be less to do with "holy land" as it is with "land". Let's pretend someone took California from us: what would we do? Yeah.

People try to act surprised that Muslim society in the middle east has fallen so far. What do you really expect when you economically and imperially take a shit on the region for so many years, then take away land they lived in to give to a religious group, in essence punishing the natives of Palestine for what Adolf Hitler did? There are certainly a lot of problems that are Muslim in origin (even Firas will probably admit to this) but there's certainly a whole lot seeds sown by the West that have violently blossomed in the past 50 years.

But hey, why acknowledge past mistakes and responsibility when you can blame it all on someone else (and turn some nice profits to boot!)?

[Faris]

It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

What is it that you want me to answer?
Israel invaded Palestine, the Palestinians want their land back, why is that so hard to comprehend? They are not defending their God...they are defending their land (Which also happens to be Holy). Aren't you jewish? If you are, then whats this "if your God" business? my God is your God, fool-_-
If I think he actually exists? Yes i think so:D but the anti-islamic people are killing our people. Just let them be, you say? What are you Ghandi? Letting them just kill us is easier said than done, dont you think?
Jeez, everyone here is so shocked that I'm standing up for what i believe in, I'm Muslim guys. You think what i believe in is bullshit, and I think what you believe is bullshit too. You're anger is a bit too late "bro". How dare I justify Israeli killings, and how dare you justify Palestinian killings. what-the-fuck-ever. I'll still welcome you to the UAE if you ever come, only if you promise not to steal it

[Meat]

God I am so happy we forced you out of your land. You don't deserve it. I'm going to piss on your holy land daily until you get so angry you blow yourself up. The retarded part of the Islamic argument is that you feel you are justified in fighting back and killing to regain your holy land. What does it matter where you pray? Your God will think less of you if you don't kill all the Jews and retake Jerusalem? It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

I know this is crazy, but the issue might be less to do with "holy land" as it is with "land". Let's pretend someone took California from us: what would we do? Yeah.

People try to act surprised that Muslim society in the middle east has fallen so far. What do you really expect when you economically and imperially take a shit on the region for so many years, then take away land they lived in to give to a religious group, in essence punishing the natives of Palestine for what Adolf Hitler did? There are certainly a lot of problems that are Muslim in origin (even Firas will probably admit to this) but there's certainly a whole lot seeds sown by the West that have violently blossomed in the past 50 years.

But hey, why acknowledge past mistakes and responsibility when you can blame it all on someone else (and turn some nice profits to boot!)?

Don't give me that land shit, hundreds of thousands of Jews were forced out from their homes from Arabic countries in 47\48. They were robbed of billions and kicked the fuck out, you don't see us blowing up motherfuckers to get our property back.

[Meat]

It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

What is it that you want me to answer?
Israel invaded Palestine, the Palestinians want their land back, why is that so hard to comprehend? They are not defending their God...they are defending their land (Which also happens to be Holy). Aren't you jewish? If you are, then whats this "if your God" business? my God is your God, fool-_-
If I think he actually exists? Yes i think so:D but the anti-islamic people are killing our people. Just let them be, you say? What are you Ghandi? Letting them just kill us is easier said than done, dont you think?
Jeez, everyone here is so shocked that I'm standing up for what i believe in, I'm Muslim guys. You think what i believe in is bullshit, and I think what you believe is bullshit too. You're anger is a bit too late "bro". How dare I justify Israeli killings, and how dare you justify Palestinian killings. what-the-fuck-ever. I'll still welcome you to the UAE if you ever come, only if you promise not to steal it

When did we invade Palestine?

[Exoduso]

And for the people trying to compare the Chinese forming a state in the Carolinas to the situation in Israel... wow how ignorant can you get?

Way to miss the context, look at the underlying theme instead of reading the surface. The example of nationalism and displacement is what I was getting at, not the specifics or realism of the example.

The jews aren't going anywhere. Regardless of how bad you want them to, they're not going ANYWHERE because they have nowhere else to go to.

I could probably name 15 countries off the top of my head where a jewish person would be safer from anti-semitic violence than in Israel. There are -plenty- of places where nobody really gives a fuck about "the chosen people".

Okay let me rephrase... they're not going anywhere because they have as much right to that place as any other group of people. Why would they leave Jerusalem? It's more of a capital for them than it is for the Arabic people (Mecca is theirs is it not?)

And even though they refer to it as "Palestine" there was never such a nation or state, sorry.

[Faris]

God I am so happy we forced you out of your land. You don't deserve it. I'm going to piss on your holy land daily until you get so angry you blow yourself up. The retarded part of the Islamic argument is that you feel you are justified in fighting back and killing to regain your holy land. What does it matter where you pray? Your God will think less of you if you don't kill all the Jews and retake Jerusalem? It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

I know this is crazy, but the issue might be less to do with "holy land" as it is with "land". Let's pretend someone took California from us: what would we do? Yeah.

People try to act surprised that Muslim society in the middle east has fallen so far. What do you really expect when you economically and imperially take a shit on the region for so many years, then take away land they lived in to give to a religious group, in essence punishing the natives of Palestine for what Adolf Hitler did? There are certainly a lot of problems that are Muslim in origin (even Firas will probably admit to this) but there's certainly a whole lot seeds sown by the West that have violently blossomed in the past 50 years.

But hey, why acknowledge past mistakes and responsibility when you can blame it all on someone else (and turn some nice profits to boot!)?

Totally.
Going to sleep. i'll log in at work in 8hours.

[Keno]

It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

What is it that you want me to answer?
Israel invaded Palestine, the Palestinians want their land back, why is that so hard to comprehend? They are not defending their God...they are defending their land (Which also happens to be Holy). Aren't you jewish? If you are, then whats this "if your God" business? my God is your God, fool-_-
If I think he actually exists? Yes i think so:D but the anti-islamic people are killing our people. Just let them be, you say? What are you Ghandi? Letting them just kill us is easier said than done, dont you think?
Jeez, everyone here is so shocked that I'm standing up for what i believe in, I'm Muslim guys. You think what i believe in is bullshit, and I think what you believe is bullshit too. You're anger is a bit too late "bro". How dare I justify Israeli killings, and how dare you justify Palestinian killings. what-the-fuck-ever. I'll still welcome you to the UAE if you ever come, only if you promise not to steal it

Haha, your God is my God? Funny how you insist on killing people who believe in the same God. And to someone who said, "What if someone took CA? What would we do?" Well, I'd like to think that if CA was partitioned off as a result of war so that we can allow it to be a safe harbor for a people who were nearly exterminated, I'd be cool with it.

Also, good point residue. And lets look at what the USA did to the Native Americans. We came here, fucked them up, took their land, pushed them out, and what have they done in retaliation? As a whole, they've accepted it. You know why? Because theres no point throwing a fucking fit and kicking and screaming (read: suicide bombing for adults) when it's not going to get anything accomplished.

[Faris]

When did we invade Palestine?

And even though they refer to it as "Palestine" there was never such a nation or state, sorry.

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by the end of the seventh century that land was recognized as Arabic, arabs and muslims lived in it. Filastine was its name(how palestine is pronounced in Arabic) then it diverted to the Ottoman Empire, still being an Arab nation, and Islam is its religion. Up until 1948, the largest community in that piece of land were Arabs. When Jewish settlers came to Palestine living there for religious purposes only, and not political, the Arabs had no problem with that. It was when the land of all the peasants (Arabs) were being purchased by Jews and slowly evicting the peasants from their land thats when the Arab peasants started feeling the danger. How is that possible? The 1858 Ottoman Land law. in a nut shell, this is when the ottoman empire started asking for registration on lands in order to claim that the land is yours, the peasants didn't feel the need to register for many viable reasons, as a result, ottoman villagers registered as owners of the land of the Arab peasants, and started slowly selling them to Jews. The Brits came later, the conflict started before that. Here are quotes from great Israeli figures:


Quote:
"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -- Theodore Herzl (from Rafael Patai, Ed. The Complete Diaries of Theodore Herzl, Vol I)



Quote:
We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is, a Jewish state here. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because those geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Malalul; Givat in the place of Jibta; Sarid in the place of Haneifa, and Kfar Yehoshua in the place of Tell Shamon. There is not one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.
--Moshe Dayan, addressing the Technion, Haifa (Haaretz, April 4th, 1969)


Lets not mention, the attempt to invade Lebanon in 1982 and Egypt in 1956, or are those also were never owned by Arabs?

It's an endless debate, It all boils down to war pretty much. The whole scenario is too messy, too deep and too religious. Sadly it resulted in all this violence, all those wars and the deaths of all the innocent people in between.

[Meat]

And for the people trying to compare the Chinese forming a state in the Carolinas to the situation in Israel... wow how ignorant can you get?

Way to miss the context, look at the underlying theme instead of reading the surface. The example of nationalism and displacement is what I was getting at, not the specifics or realism of the example.

The jews aren't going anywhere. Regardless of how bad you want them to, they're not going ANYWHERE because they have nowhere else to go to.

I could probably name 15 countries off the top of my head where a jewish person would be safer from anti-semitic violence than in Israel. There are -plenty- of places where nobody really gives a fuck about "the chosen people".

Okay let me rephrase... they're not going anywhere because they have as much right to that place as any other group of people. Why would they leave Jerusalem? It's more of a capital for them than it is for the Arabic people (Mecca is theirs is it not?)

And even though they refer to it as "Palestine" there was never such a nation or state, sorry.

You're right, but Israel is so much more that a capital. Israel is our right hand, the womb and the sword. It's assurance that we will always have a home, that the nazis or Russia or the ghettos will never happen again

[Demosthenes11]

God I am so happy we forced you out of your land. You don't deserve it. I'm going to piss on your holy land daily until you get so angry you blow yourself up. The retarded part of the Islamic argument is that you feel you are justified in fighting back and killing to regain your holy land. What does it matter where you pray? Your God will think less of you if you don't kill all the Jews and retake Jerusalem? It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

I know this is crazy, but the issue might be less to do with "holy land" as it is with "land". Let's pretend someone took California from us: what would we do? Yeah.

People try to act surprised that Muslim society in the middle east has fallen so far. What do you really expect when you economically and imperially take a shit on the region for so many years, then take away land they lived in to give to a religious group, in essence punishing the natives of Palestine for what Adolf Hitler did? There are certainly a lot of problems that are Muslim in origin (even Firas will probably admit to this) but there's certainly a whole lot seeds sown by the West that have violently blossomed in the past 50 years.

But hey, why acknowledge past mistakes and responsibility when you can blame it all on someone else (and turn some nice profits to boot!)?

And because of our past mistakes, we should totally dissolve Isreal, give reparations to the palistinians, and let them blow the shit out of us amirite.

Just because someone did some fucked up shit doesn't mean we should let them do it back. Nothing is going to change in the middle east because nothing CAN change.

[Meat]

When did we invade Palestine?

And even though they refer to it as "Palestine" there was never such a nation or state, sorry.

opgib340igb30rbv 34gj3

by the end of the seventh century that land was recognized as Arabic, arabs and muslims lived in it. Filastine was its name(how palestine is pronounced in Arabic) then it diverted to the Ottoman Empire, still being an Arab nation, and Islam is its religion. Up until 1948, the largest community in that piece of land were Arabs. When Jewish settlers came to Palestine living there for religious purposes only, and not political, the Arabs had no problem with that. It was when the land of all the peasants (Arabs) were being purchased by Jews and slowly evicting the peasants from their land thats when the Arab peasants started feeling the danger. How is that possible? The 1858 Ottoman Land law. in a nut shell, this is when the ottoman empire started asking for registration on lands in order to claim that the land is yours, the peasants didn't feel the need to register for many viable reasons, as a result, ottoman villagers registered as owners of the land of the Arab peasants, and started slowly selling them to Jews. The Brits came later, the conflict started before that. Here are quotes from great Israeli figures:


Quote:
"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -- Theodore Herzl (from Rafael Patai, Ed. The Complete Diaries of Theodore Herzl, Vol I)



Quote:
We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is, a Jewish state here. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because those geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Malalul; Givat in the place of Jibta; Sarid in the place of Haneifa, and Kfar Yehoshua in the place of Tell Shamon. There is not one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.
--Moshe Dayan, addressing the Technion, Haifa (Haaretz, April 4th, 1969)


Lets not mention, the attempt to invade Lebanon in 1982 and Egypt in 1956, or are those also were never owned by Arabs?

It's an endless debate, It all boils down to war pretty much. The whole scenario is too messy, too deep and too religious. Sadly it resulted in all this violence, all those wars and the deaths of all the innocent people in between.

Name an Israeli\arab war where we were the aggressors

[Faris]

It's always hilarious to me how these people (Arabs) find their religion to be the true religion. They have complete and total faith in their almighty and most powerful God, yet they feel the need to kill people when other people offend him. IF YOUR GOD IS SO DAMN POWERFUL, LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF. If you think he actually exists, just let the anti-Islamic people go about their way, and when they die your God will deal with them, right?

What is it that you want me to answer?
Israel invaded Palestine, the Palestinians want their land back, why is that so hard to comprehend? They are not defending their God...they are defending their land (Which also happens to be Holy). Aren't you jewish? If you are, then whats this "if your God" business? my God is your God, fool-_-
If I think he actually exists? Yes i think so:D but the anti-islamic people are killing our people. Just let them be, you say? What are you Ghandi? Letting them just kill us is easier said than done, dont you think?
Jeez, everyone here is so shocked that I'm standing up for what i believe in, I'm Muslim guys. You think what i believe in is bullshit, and I think what you believe is bullshit too. You're anger is a bit too late "bro". How dare I justify Israeli killings, and how dare you justify Palestinian killings. what-the-fuck-ever. I'll still welcome you to the UAE if you ever come, only if you promise not to steal it

Haha, your God is my God? Funny how you insist on killing people who believe in the same God. And to someone who said, "What if someone took CA? What would we do?" Well, I'd like to think that if CA was partitioned off as a result of war so that we can allow it to be a safe harbor for a people who were nearly exterminated, I'd be cool with it.

Also, good point residue. And lets look at what the USA did to the Native Americans. We came here, fucked them up, took their land, pushed them out, and what have they done in retaliation? As a whole, they've accepted it. You know why? Because theres no point throwing a fucking fit and kicking and screaming (read: suicide bombing for adults) when it's not going to get anything accomplished.

lol, ok so first you admit that white people took America by force, and thats ok in your book?
and you want us to walk away with our tails betwen our legs just because a bunch of native americans did it, it makes it right? Sorry man, thats not how we roll.
now picture this with me, Me at the stand, with my face painted in blue, screaming "FREEDOM!" right before the executioner chops my head off. fuck, i'm such a gangsta. ok seriously im going to bed.

[Beckwin]

And lets look at what the USA did to the Native Americans. We came here, fucked them up, took their land, pushed them out, and what have they done in retaliation? As a whole, they've accepted it.

Are you serious?

[Correction]

Name an any war exclusive of WWII in which either side will admit they were the aggressors

*cough*history books and winners blah blah*cough*

[Kuya]

This thread is ridicules, most people aren't even listening to eachother. And people keep presenting themselves in an aggresive manner towards Firas, and then act surprised when he returns the favor.

[Demosthenes11]

solution: lets all suicide bomb each other

FOR SHIVA

[Charla]

solution: lets all suicide bomb each other

FOR GRANITE!!

fixed