NFL Week 14 Picks.

[Demosthenes11]

Brady won with Dillon, Branch, Givens, Troy Brown, Ben Watson, etc.

Dillon wasn't even on the team during 2 of their superbowl runs. Deion Branch is still yet to have a good season; he had 1 good game lol. David Givens? Are you fucking kidding me? Not to mention he has actually on the Titans. Troy Brown was ok. He was never omg-good, or even good at all for that matter. The big draw to him is his experience and versatility. Ben Watson is an average TE.

Do you even know who Eric Moulds is?

[Deejay]

Eric Moulds?-was about 2 seconds away from retiring until the Titants picked him up. He was a bust in houston, and in 13 NFL seasons he's only posted 4 1,000 yard years. That's less than Amani Toomer (who NO ONE knows) He's okay but was always overrated. He's 34 lol, that's ancient for WR's. You can't find a worse receiving core than the one in Tenessee. Maybe San Fran can be considered equal in shittyness, but that's about it.

[Viq]

Troy Brown was ok.

...You know Troy Brown is still on the team, right?

[Tyche]

Vince young has talent, that can't be taken away. They only thing I question is his decision making abilities. That has nil to do with his support. You make a bad throw, that's on you. Some of the INT's he's made this year wasn't because his WRs didn't make the play, it was just very poorly thrown balls. Living in kentucky, I'm usually watching titans games, as that's what my local network shows. I've just seen very few signs that they guy can lead an NFL franchise, good support or not. If his ability to see the field improves, i'm sure he'll be a good QB. He can make plays, we've seen it on a few occassions.

Ahhhh now it makes sense. I'm sorry.

Compelling

[Skyylya]

vince young has an amazing arm, but that doesn't matter if you through it directly to the other team.

I don't watch a lot of titants games but i've watched quite a few. His ability to hit is target is pretty bad, even worse is his ability to recognize what a good target is and when he should choose another option. He tries to force it to much into coverage that he obviously can't make a good attempt to.

Blame that on his ability or his recievers lac of ability to get free of the CB's, but either way it's his decision who to throw it to. Look at one of his interceptions this past weekend, I mean he through it right to the other guy and almost clipped his knee's. It was nowhere near one of his recievers.

He has potential to improve but it's entirely his brain that is the issue, not his talent.

[Serif]

He has potential to improve but it's entirely his brain that is the issue, not his talent.

Haha qft, couldn't say it better.

[Weltall]

Yes, we know who Eric Moulds is dumbass. A player who was good 4+ years ago. He was absolute shit in Houston, and I have no clue why the Titans picked him up.

Givens has played in like 2 games in the last 2 years. He hasn't done shit for the Titans, and he will free up even more cap room when we drop his ass this offseason. Tennessee will get some talent this offseason, and then you can judge him:

Team Signed Players 2008 cap room
1. Tennessee 39 $40.85 million
2. San Diego 44 $33.03 million
3. Jacksonville 43 $32.69 million
4. Buffalo 49 $32.05 million
5. New Orleans 39 $31.69 million
6. Cincinnati 48 $31.45 million
7. San Francisco 48 $30.91 million
8. Cleveland 42 $30.31 million
9. Arizona 34 $30.27 million
10.N.Y. Jets 45 $27.72 million
11.Oakland 40 $25.98 million
12.Tampa Bay 48 $25.90 million
13.Miami 48 $25.56 million
14.N.Y. Giants 49 $24.47 million
15.Detroit 42 $23.50 million
16.Houston 43 $22.91 million
17.Dallas 40 $20.61 million
18.Kansas City 44 $20.27 million
19.Chicago 52 $19.80 million
20.Pittsburgh 43 $18.61 million
21.Green Bay 48 $18.37 million
22.Philadelphia 49 $17.17 million
23.Denver 49 $16.77 million
24.Minnesota 49 $14.88 million
25.New England 41 $10.93 million
26.St. Louis 45 $9.61 million
27.Seattle 44 $9.55 million
28.Indianapolis 48 $8.49 million
29.Carolina 35 $6.05 million
30.Atlanta 52 $5.79 million*
31.Baltimore 42 $5.00 million
32.Washington 45 -$20.72 million

* Not including unspecified potential rebate from contested return of Michael Vick's pro-rated signing bonus.

[Mizango]

The Stats don't lie, go look em up.
Vince young QB Rating:
2006: 66.7
2007: 66.9
Touchdowns:
2006: 12
2007: 7
Interceptions:
2006: 13
2007: 16

Not to mention very similar yards, and a huge number of lost fumbles. You want to argue his completion % is up? Whoop-de-fucking do, his completion percentage to the other team is more than double what it was last year. The guy is garbage. And before more people try the "but look at the record," two words: Trent Dilfer

Alot of Young fans here. He is indeed garbage, he does nothing but make excuses as to why he sucks. I am not going to lie, I figured having Norm Chow there to help him would make him better, I was wrong. My in-laws are from TX and have seen him play multiple times in both college and with the Titans, he sucks even in person.

I am one that roots for the "black quarterback" but Young sets everyone of them/us/we whatever back big time. He is all talk and false bravado. Everyone is quick to point out how Lousy Cutler is or how Leinart is struggling after being anointed the best QB in college history in some circles, yet when Young comes up everyone has these ready made, overly convenient excuses.

He sucks; it is what it is. Numbers don't lie, and fans eyes don't lie. I am not taking shots at fans of his in any form or fashion so do not take it as such. These are just my opinions of a player that is the epitome of "overrated". Watch and listen to Tom Jackson, Emmit Smith and the guys from ESPN and you will hear the phrase "Vince Young, all he does is win games.". To them I pose this question, When? You can chalk that up that vaunted Defense and the leg of Bironas. Of all the young quarterbacks he gets a free pass, Alex Smith, Losman, Leinart, Cutler, Manning, Rivers etc...The list goes on and on.

My opinion: He is overrated.


Edit: Young quarterbacks does not equate or is restricted to second year players.

[Plow]

And during all those games and looking at all those stats, he ran the ball for 0 yards, got 0 rushing touchdowns, made no game saving 4th down conversions, nothing of the sort.


amirite?





Seriously you can say "he hasn't had 250 yard games," "he doesn't score multiple touchdowns," etc, and you're completely right-- as long as you totally disregard half of what he does...


He also doesn't have cooley + portis+ moss, jacobs + what'sisname + 3 rb that could start anywhere outside san diego, adrian peterson, yada yada.

[Skyylya]

The Stats don't lie, go look em up.
Vince young QB Rating:
2006: 66.7
2007: 66.9
Touchdowns:
2006: 12
2007: 7
Interceptions:
2006: 13
2007: 16

Not to mention very similar yards, and a huge number of lost fumbles. You want to argue his completion % is up? Whoop-de-fucking do, his completion percentage to the other team is more than double what it was last year. The guy is garbage. And before more people try the "but look at the record," two words: Trent Dilfer

Alot of Young fans here. He is indeed garbage, he does nothing but make excuses as to why he sucks. I am not going to lie, I figured having Norm Chow there to help him would make him better, I was wrong. My in-laws are from TX and have seen him play multiple times in both college and with the Titans, he sucks even in person.

I am one that roots for the "black quarterback" but Young sets everyone of them/us/we whatever back big time. He is all talk and false bravado. Everyone is quick to point out how Lousy Cutler is or how Leinart is struggling after being anointed the best QB in college history in some circles, yet when Young comes up everyone has these ready made, overly convenient excuses.

He sucks; it is what it is. Numbers don't lie, and fans eyes don't lie. I am not taking shots at fans of his in any form or fashion so do not take it as such. These are just my opinions of a player that is the epitome of "overrated". Watch and listen to Tom Jackson, Emmit Smith and the guys from ESPN and you will hear the phrase "Vince Young, all he does is win games.". To them I pose this question, When? You can chalk that up that vaunted Defense and the leg of Bironas. Of all the young quarterbacks he gets a free pass, Alex Smith, Losman, Leinart, Cutler, Manning, Rivers etc...The list goes on and on.

My opinion: He is overrated.


Edit: Young quarterbacks does not equate or is restricted to second year players.

This is quite extreme and really lacking any thought. It's very easy for you to sit here as a non-athlete and criticize some vs. their own peers. Is he the greatest QB...no and nobody is claiming such. It'd be hard to make an arguement that he's even a 'good' QB by today's standards, but he is very far from a horrible QB like you make him out to be. I've watched him play and he has a lot of potential.

He moves around the pocket very well and for all his lack of ability in choosing a good target scrambles well for a few yards if he recognizes a running window and lack of throwing target.

He has amazing arm strength and with experience and recievers who can move a little better, not to mention the ability to throw on target, has a lot of potential to improve. Also having a decent offensive line to give him at least 4-5 seconds of solid protection before needing to scramble could improve his stats a lot.

He's not great, barely even good. But he is definitely not horrible and has potential given experience and the ability to make good choices...along with better supporting offensive players.

Hell i'm not even a titans or a young fan, but it's completely ignorant to say that he's as bad as you're claiming. As I said he may not be a 'good' option, but he's young, in-experienced and has a lot of room to grow given his physical abilities.

Tell me what QB's were HoF players after their 2nd year and I'll show you a very short list. There are growing pains to be had before a player finds their groove. And i'm talking about QB's only in this respect.

[Mizango]

Yes because busts don't make plays either amirite? oll

Not calling him a bust by any stretch, but you act like picking up a fourth down, scrambling for a touchdown or throwing a TD constitutes success. Your logic has rendered your entire point completely moot.

You are probably "that guy" who thinks Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Rashaan Salaam, Tim Couch, Danny Wuerffel, Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch (Just to name a few) were NFL success stories. Because you know, with all things considered they all at one point or another threw touchdowns.....Picked up a 3rd or 4th down a time or two and/or scrambled for a few yards here and there.

HoF wurthee amirite?


Edit: Damn Skyylya, you respond fast I was merely pointing out the fact that Young can escape the same criticism that his peers get pelted with, even though his numbers are equal or in most cases worse. I am not "against" him or wishing for him to fail, quite the contrary, I just choose to call it like I see it. There are goods and there are bads, the bad outnumber the good in many respects. QB is a "glamor" position and is heavily critiqued, it comes with the territory. Like I said, all of the young QBs in the league go through it. What has he done in 2 years to make him impervious to fodder, yet great enough to be rained with accolades?

[Plow]

VY was a fucking god in college, anyone saying he was bad in college probably didn't even see a single game. Say what you will about the pros but talking shit about him in college is just silly.

Edit: Damn Skyylya, you respond fast I was merely pointing out the fact that Young can escape the same criticism that his peers get pelted with, even though his numbers are equal or in most cases worse.

Because when you add in his rushing stats he clowns them all?

What has he done in 2 years to make him impervious to fodder, yet great enough to be rained with accolades?

Made one of the worst teams in the NFL competitive in the toughest division in the league.

[archibaldcrane]

Because when you add in his rushing stats he clowns them all?

The whole 191 yards rushing and 2 rushing TDs that VY has over Jay Cutler in 12 games this year constitutes clowning? I'd much rather have a guy that can maintain a 90+ QB rating and not throw over twice as many INTs as TDs. The Titans very good defense keeps the Titans anemic offense (lead by Vince) in games, and Vince either wins or loses them. It's like Rex Grossman last year but with more athleticism and worse decision making.

Give me Jay Cutler over Vince Young in the pros any day. That's all I'm saying.

[Plow]

Because when you add in his rushing stats he clowns them all?

The whole 191 yards rushing and 2 rushing TDs that VY has over Jay Cutler in 12 games this year constitutes clowning? I'd much rather have a guy that can maintain a 90+ QB rating and not throw over twice as many INTs as TDs. The Titans very good defense keeps the Titans anemic offense (lead by Vince) in games, and Vince either wins or loses them. It's like Rex Grossman last year but with more athleticism and worse decision making.

Give me Jay Cutler over Vince Young in the pros any day. That's all I'm saying.

Cool, have fun with a worse record with a dramatically better team otherwise in a far far far easier schedule.

[archibaldcrane]

Cool, have fun with a worse record with a dramatically better team otherwise in a far far far easier schedule.

I'll take the Titans' defense over the Broncos any day too The only team that VY has beaten this season with a winning record is the Jaguars in week 1 - (They also lost 34-20 vs. the Broncos this year)

[Demosthenes11]

Because when you add in his rushing stats he clowns them all?

The whole 191 yards rushing and 2 rushing TDs that VY has over Jay Cutler in 12 games this year constitutes clowning? I'd much rather have a guy that can maintain a 90+ QB rating and not throw over twice as many INTs as TDs. The Titans very good defense keeps the Titans anemic offense (lead by Vince) in games, and Vince either wins or loses them. It's like Rex Grossman last year but with more athleticism and worse decision making.

Give me Jay Cutler over Vince Young in the pros any day. That's all I'm saying.

Cool, have fun with a worse record with a dramatically better team otherwise in a far far far easier schedule.

Do you seriously think VY is winning the games??? LOL

[Plow]

Because when you add in his rushing stats he clowns them all?

The whole 191 yards rushing and 2 rushing TDs that VY has over Jay Cutler in 12 games this year constitutes clowning? I'd much rather have a guy that can maintain a 90+ QB rating and not throw over twice as many INTs as TDs. The Titans very good defense keeps the Titans anemic offense (lead by Vince) in games, and Vince either wins or loses them. It's like Rex Grossman last year but with more athleticism and worse decision making.

Give me Jay Cutler over Vince Young in the pros any day. That's all I'm saying.

Cool, have fun with a worse record with a dramatically better team otherwise in a far far far easier schedule.

Do you seriously think VY is winning the games??? LOL

opponent's scores in games they've lost:

22
13
28
34
35
23

You absolutely cannot blame someone with that oline, those recievers, and those rb's for not scoring 3-5 touchtowns a game. You can *possibly* blame 1 of those losses on VY not getting enough done offensively.



Just think about this: the only reason any of those rb can do anything whatsoever is the threat that VY will keep it and take off around the outside. The dude doesn't even have to actually do most of the things he can for the simple threat of it to completely change the game. (hint: when your offense can't run, your defense struggles, no matter how good you are-- see ravens v pats)

[archibaldcrane]

All Vince Young does is win games!

Of course, ignore that one of their wins he didn't play, one of them he threw for 42 yards on 6-14 passing and rushed for 11 yards on 7 attempts (lost 16 on sacks), and another he had 0 TDs, 2 INTs and threw for a grand total of 110 yards (with 25 yards rushing...on 8 attempts - lost 14 on sacks). In their only win vs. an opponent with a winning record, he had only 100 combined yards, 1 rushing TD, and 1 INT.

The titans are 27th in the league in passing yards, 4th in rushing yards.

Are we watching the same games? By any statistical measurement you can find, he isn't carrying this team. At all. Not even a little bit.

[Plow]

All Vince Young does is win games!

Of course, ignore that one of their wins he didn't play, one of them he threw for 42 yards on 6-14 passing and rushed for 11 yards on 7 attempts (lost 16 on sacks), and another he had 0 TDs, 2 INTs and threw for a grand total of 110 yards (with 25 yards rushing...on 8 attempts - lost 14 on sacks). In their only win vs. an opponent with a winning record, he had only 100 combined yards, 1 rushing TD, and 1 INT.

The titans are 27th in the league in passing yards, 4th in rushing yards.

Are we watching the same games? By any statistical measurement you can find, he isn't carrying this team. At all. Not even a little bit.

Just think about this: the only reason any of those rb can do anything whatsoever is the threat that VY will keep it and take off around the outside. The dude doesn't even have to actually do most of the things he can for the simple threat of it to completely change the game. (hint: when your offense can't run, your defense struggles, no matter how good you are-- see ravens v pats)

...


Let's see how Cutler, Campbell, etc do stat-wise when the entire other team is focused completely on stopping them at the expense of every other player on the field.

[archibaldcrane]

Let's see how Cutler, Campbell, etc do stat-wise when the entire other team is focused completely on stopping them at the expense of every other player on the field.

No coach is having sleepless nights worrying about how Vince Young is going to be contained. He's just not particularly good. Stop giving him "imaginary quality" that other teams are taking away.