12/12/07 Version Update

[Max™]

Who hasn't eyed a Perdu weapon and decided to start doing assault more tenaciously?

/

*puts a bag over pauls head and tosses him into an unmarked grey van, takes a quick look around then shuts the doors and drives away*

Ok, so noone then?

[Paegan]

possibly they're editing djinns to not explode so fast

Winner.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnew ... 2233.shtml

-An issue wherein "Djinn" type monsters would use the ability "Nocturnal Combustion" whenever they were attacked with an element matching the day has been addressed.

[Callisto]

-An issue wherein "Djinn" type monsters would use the ability "Nocturnal Combustion" whenever they were attacked with an element matching the day has been addressed.

GFDI...I was hoping I'd be able to exploit that for Djinn Ash for at least another month...

Edit: Hmmm...the element strong to the day was also working for me, wonder if that still does...

[Geostigma]

I've got 38k, I counted back on Sigil Durations and worked out I've spent around 1500-2000 on Regen, as I get it every time I refresh Sigil, and I'm on Shoes #11 for 9800 Points spent, spamming campaign during NA times rocks.

Me on War/Sam, a Rdm, and a 59 Whm trioed a Rolanberry attack down to the last mob and a boss before people showed up, got 1750 off one wave. :D

I've only just started getting regen, but I've got refresh since the beginning (I always go as DRK/WHM). You've got me very beaten on shoes though! I just used my last charge of my first pair, but I'm debating getting new ones. I run around on BRD all the time, so compared to Mazurka, both plain walking and sprinter's shoes feel slower than slow -- I really don't notice a difference.

My best wave was 4,801. Yes, almost 5K. This past weekend. Attack went on nearly two hours (don't ask me how that's possible, the limit was supposed to be an hour, no?), we saw the same NM show up three times and the orc war machine showed up four times.

You talking about the never ending jugnar forest campaigns we have been having on migard lol?

[BRP]

[quote=Max™]

Who hasn't eyed a Perdu weapon and decided to start doing assault more tenaciously?

/

*puts a bag over pauls head and tosses him into an unmarked grey van, takes a quick look around then shuts the doors and drives away*

Ok, so noone then?[/quote:2msr2j25]

I'm a BLM main ;/. But, I love assault anyway.

[Bakthi]

I'm still not sure what Perdu weapons have to do with doing Assaults, unless you get all your exp from spamming Preemptive Strike. Maybe the new expansion has confused you

[Max™]

I'm still not sure what Perdu weapons have to do with doing Assaults, unless you get all your exp from spamming Preemptive Strike. Maybe the new expansion has confused you

Rank up with Assault
Get IS Points
Buy Perdu Weapons
Fuck Bitches
Get Money

[Khamsin]

I'm still not sure what Perdu weapons have to do with doing Assaults, unless you get all your exp from spamming Preemptive Strike. Maybe the new expansion has confused you

Other than the fact that you need to do assaults to get to the rank that allows you to buy Perdu weapons?

[Bakthi]

...sorry, you're right. I'm spoiled because I did all the Assaults as they came out, partially to get some of the equipment, and partially just because they were there :/ So I guess technically, despite owning a Perdu Blade, I wouldn't be on the list of people who cracked down on Assaults when those weapons came out. I'm really glad I focused on it from the beginning, too, because I still know people who are like "I can't do Salvage because I'm saving up for X AP armor".

I think this is going to end up the same way. Cool wings-level (or whatever) stuff is going to be released, and the people who have been largely ignoring Campaign are going to have to buy it for a ridiculous price/do without it/etc., or start trying to rank up if it's Ex, while those who have been doing it all along can just say "Oh okay, *obtain*". I feel the same way about a lot of stuff, actually, including plain old gil-making; do it gradually all along, and you won't be surprised/annoyed/covetous later.

[Edrick]

I'm still not sure what Perdu weapons have to do with doing Assaults, unless you get all your exp from spamming Preemptive Strike. Maybe the new expansion has confused you

Rank up with Assault
Get IS Points
Buy Perdu Weapons
Fuck Bitches
Get Money

We now know what that infamous ??? is in all of those "X, Y, Z, ???, Profit" things are? What a revelation!

[Kyreth]

Not to mention the swearing filter's been on all this time, and he busted it! HAX.

Of course, the used panties market is rather big in some places...

[Max™]

Not to mention the swearing filter's been on all this time, and he busted it! HAX.

Of course, the used panties market is rather big in some places...

Theres a swearing filter?

Fuck me!

It actually came from the little Dancing Dino Avatar this guy has.

SIC SEMPER TYRANNOSAURUS!

[ringthree]

Just because the expansion release did not come with the content that you wanted does not mean it did not come with content. The campaign combat system is expansive and persistent, this is much more than the Besieged content in ToAU. Visible gear is only one part of content, and it likely does not contribute to development time like creating an entirely new combat system would. This is the reason that the people that complained about the file sizes of the DVD for the expansion were misguided. A large part of the content, and likely development time, was focused around developing Campaign. Campaign appears to be far more complex than any previous combat system added to the game. Just because there isn't as much visible gear doesn't mean that there is less actual content.

But it is a relative lack of good content. If you consider a whole bunch of similar fetch quests, or kill-3-NM BCs worthy of even being called content then I guess thats why you're like the only one not complaining.

File-sizes are as good an indicator because it not only tells us we're working with bare-bones now, it means all the future updates will be working with bare-bones. The less content delivered from the disc, the less we will have in the whole WotG era - this is assuming they follow with their update style since Zilart.

Campaign.. isnt that much more complexed than the other battlefield systems. If you're not doing campaign ops (which isn't very much better), then right now it really doesn't matter what country you're in, or who you're fighting or whatever - the actions you take in a campaign battle are the same - kill mobs. They'll probably build on this system in future, but its still very plain anyway.

Like, what happened to all the innovative battlefield coding they put into the later Assault missions. Where has all that gone to in Campaign Ops? WotG content so far feels like a regression.

"Good" content is in the eye of the beholder. For you, content equates with gear and gear alone. You are missing the main thrust of the expansion if you fail to realize that Campaign covers much of the content of the expansion update. As I already said Campaign is just different content. If they had just recycled Assaults they would have been criticized for doing that too.

File-size of the expansion disc is a horrible indication of raw content. You are making assertions without much logic. What actually comes on the expansion disc? The maps for the zones and a few other things. The Campaign system is not of equal size of Besieged, but more like running several simultaneous Besieged events in open areas where other content is also occurring. And if you hadn't figured this out yet, everything in this game is about the same thing - to "kill mobs." To criticize game content on those grounds is to criticize the entire game, and actually just about every MMO, hell even most video games ever created.

In the end, you may not like the content they delivered, but this does not mean there is less content. And it certainly does not mean that they will put out the next update any faster because there was "less content." The amount of development time does not change just because you do not like Campaign.

[Aemora]

Just a thought...

Someone mentioned that last this year they had 4 "major" updates. ToAU was released in April, and they had 2 after that, irrc... Those two basically included changes to jobs, then NMs with no missions (fkn August patch...), then Salvage, then Nyzul Isle, then Einherjar, then Chocobo Circuit, then Pankration, then WoTG...

...So as far as content goes, I'm expecting 1 'tweak' update (which will include all funny things like Blu Spells, Cor Rolls, Dnc/Sch AF (probably in the second update tho :<), before they start ploughing the content in. They better release Af2/Af1+1/JSE for Blu/Cor/Pup sometime soon...

[solsovly]

possibly they're editing djinns to not explode so fast

10k/hour duo at low level by sending TW to 50s leeches with 600s HP against a level 70ish Djinn seem kinda broken...

Still, it requires more finesse than what most people capable of these days.

The most fantastic solo xp ever on NIN/BST. Averaging 1-2 powders per kill at 99% health. Any word on how if the Djinn's simply explode like normal bombs now?

[Thistle]

You talking about the never ending jugnar forest campaigns we have been having on migard lol?

Yeah. Day before yesterday that seemed to have ended, but then last night Jugner got good again. Three hours of chasing Campaign = 1K XP. The next couple hours sitting in Jugner = 11K XP. o.O

[Canada]

"Good" content is in the eye of the beholder. For you, content equates with gear and gear alone. You are missing the main thrust of the expansion if you fail to realize that Campaign covers much of the content of the expansion update. As I already said Campaign is just different content. If they had just recycled Assaults they would have been criticized for doing that too.

File-size of the expansion disc is a horrible indication of raw content. You are making assertions without much logic. What actually comes on the expansion disc? The maps for the zones and a few other things. The Campaign system is not of equal size of Besieged, but more like running several simultaneous Besieged events in open areas where other content is also occurring. And if you hadn't figured this out yet, everything in this game is about the same thing - to "kill mobs." To criticize game content on those grounds is to criticize the entire game, and actually just about every MMO, hell even most video games ever created.

In the end, you may not like the content they delivered, but this does not mean there is less content. And it certainly does not mean that they will put out the next update any faster because there was "less content." The amount of development time does not change just because you do not like Campaign.

There is less content, that is a fact. And even if it is in the eye of the beholder, most are saying there isn't any reason to get involved in the expansion. And you know what, they're right.

Campaign has been patched like what, 6 times now and they still haven't gotten it right. It isn't a terrible event but there is little reason to do it right now over other alternatives in the game and if that is the saving grace of the expansion and your arguement for it, I don't know what else to say.

[kuronosan]

Not to mention besieged also wasn't working at first before they patched it many, many times.

Unfortunately for that argument, Besieged wasn't the only thing to do when AU first came out.

[Septimus]

There is less content, that is a fact. And even if it is in the eye of the beholder, most are saying there isn't any reason to get involved in the expansion. And you know what, they're right.

Campaign has been patched like what, 6 times now and they still haven't gotten it right. It isn't a terrible event but there is little reason to do it right now over other alternatives in the game and if that is the saving grace of the expansion and your arguement for it, I don't know what else to say.

They have patched Campaign several times, but the last few patches have been fairly positive changes. Not everyone may enjoy it, but there are quite a few Campaign enthusiasts out there. It would be nice if there were some merit spots, but we may not have found them yet.

But even if you don't like Campaign, we can all be grateful that at least we didn't have to go through a series of missions in insanely hard level-capped zones to find out.

[ringthree]

"Good" content is in the eye of the beholder. For you, content equates with gear and gear alone. You are missing the main thrust of the expansion if you fail to realize that Campaign covers much of the content of the expansion update. As I already said Campaign is just different content. If they had just recycled Assaults they would have been criticized for doing that too.

File-size of the expansion disc is a horrible indication of raw content. You are making assertions without much logic. What actually comes on the expansion disc? The maps for the zones and a few other things. The Campaign system is not of equal size of Besieged, but more like running several simultaneous Besieged events in open areas where other content is also occurring. And if you hadn't figured this out yet, everything in this game is about the same thing - to "kill mobs." To criticize game content on those grounds is to criticize the entire game, and actually just about every MMO, hell even most video games ever created.

In the end, you may not like the content they delivered, but this does not mean there is less content. And it certainly does not mean that they will put out the next update any faster because there was "less content." The amount of development time does not change just because you do not like Campaign.

There is less content, that is a fact. And even if it is in the eye of the beholder, most are saying there isn't any reason to get involved in the expansion. And you know what, they're right.

Campaign has been patched like what, 6 times now and they still haven't gotten it right. It isn't a terrible event but there is little reason to do it right now over other alternatives in the game and if that is the saving grace of the expansion and your arguement for it, I don't know what else to say.

Insert the word Assault for the word Campaign, and we may as well hopped into a Cavernous Maw to April 2006.