Mitchell Report

[Cephius]

I don't know if it was picked up on the TV broadcast, but on the radio you could hear Clemens after the thing ended. I assume he was talking to Rusty Hardin, but you could hear him say "I need to go talk to him. I need to make sure *kind of muffled unintelligible* with him." Then, from what I've heard, he walked out side-by-side with the Republican head of the commitee. That's a little fishy considering that he was one of the people that Clemens met with prior to the hearing.

All of this is total bullshit anyway. There should be an investigation as to purgery with Clemens and I'm sure there will be. As far as them walking out together chummy and such, you could tell who was Pro-Clemens and who wasn't. The people targetting McNamee for the most part clearly supported Clemens as they didn't really even touch him. It's just the way of politics I guess.

As much as it's obvious to us that Clemens is lying, you can't charge him with purgery unless there's proof he's lying. There are no failed drug tests with Clemens like there are with Bonds, so like it or not he won't go to jail over this. Even the syringes and gauze pads McNamee provided aren't enough. But whatever, Roger's legacy is forever tainted and he's not getting into the Hall of Fame, which will probably bother him more than prison time ever could.

[wyrmtung]

I don't know if it was picked up on the TV broadcast, but on the radio you could hear Clemens after the thing ended. I assume he was talking to Rusty Hardin, but you could hear him say "I need to go talk to him. I need to make sure *kind of muffled unintelligible* with him." Then, from what I've heard, he walked out side-by-side with the Republican head of the commitee. That's a little fishy considering that he was one of the people that Clemens met with prior to the hearing.

All of this is total bullshit anyway. There should be an investigation as to purgery with Clemens and I'm sure there will be. As far as them walking out together chummy and such, you could tell who was Pro-Clemens and who wasn't. The people targetting McNamee for the most part clearly supported Clemens as they didn't really even touch him. It's just the way of politics I guess.

Clemens is a Republican. The Democrats were focusing mostly on Clemens and the Rep were mainly on McNamee.

[Deejay]

What drug test did Bonds fail?

Edit: And I lol'd at Clemens' response to the questions about Pettitte.

[Tyche]

I know Bonds failed an amphetamine test, which is a banned substance. Not aware of a failed steroid test, but not many argue that he took steriods, but HGH, which isn't tested for...

[Cephius]

What drug test did Bonds fail?

During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance-enhancing substances for Bonds and other professional athletes.

Can read the entire indictment here which states pretty clearly how Bonds failed a steroid test and includes the testimony where he perjured himself. My point is that there is no such test against Clemens, so unless McNamee (or whoever) can provide solid proof that would hold up in court, Clemens isn't going to jail.

[Tyche]

What drug test did Bonds fail?

During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance-enhancing substances for Bonds and other professional athletes.

Can read the entire indictment here which states pretty clearly how Bonds failed a steroid test and includes the testimony where he perjured himself. My point is that there is no such test against Clemens, so unless McNamee (or whoever) can provide solid proof that would hold up in court, Clemens isn't going to jail.

Maybe not for perjury, but possibly witness tampering. Which brings up an interesting question...can you be indicted on witness tampering when you aren't even being tried. Perjury I understand, he's under oath, but this wasn't a trial...how can you witness tamper when there isn't even a trial.

[Gatsby]

Not a lawyer but a congressional inquiry I think has the same protection as the federal courts.

[Tyche]

But there's no witness to be called to stand under oath (because you cannot call witnesses), so you cannot really tamper with something that doesn't exist. I know a hearing and a federal case are apples and oranges. In courts, lawyers can speak, cross examine, etc etc. You can't in an inquiry. Both Clemens and McNamee left themselves exposed by not telling congress to fuck off and plead the fifth, then wait for a trial. They really had no protection in a congressional inquiry.

[Gatsby]

Heres what made me think this. (munson is a real attorney)

Second, Clemens and his legal team blundered into the possibility of a charge of tampering with a witness. The potential charge could stem from their handling of a committee request for information about a woman who once served as a Clemens family nanny. (The committee staff requested the woman's contact information last week.) The committee wanted to ask her about a barbecue luncheon at Jose Canseco's house in Miami in June 1998, and whether Clemens attended the party. The protocol for producing a witness requires that a lawyer, or an investigator for the lawyer, contact a witness and send their information to the committee. Instead of following the protocol, Clemens called the former nanny personally and invited her to his home for a meeting on Sunday. We do not yet have the entire content of their conversation, but it is clear that he discussed the inquiry with her. Waxman was clearly angry that Clemens talked with the nanny before the committee's staff interviewed her and said, "At the very least, it has the appearance of impropriety."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=3244547

[Deejay]

I think he was fucked when he admitted that he knew his wife took HGH, but at the beginning of the whole ordeal, he was saying that he never even knew what HGH or steroids was because he was never around it.

[Akiyama]

I lol'd when Clemens said "I think he "misheard" and "misremembers""

While I know these are actual words, I just wish he would have used some different ones to make him seem a tad smarter.

[Xavier]

I know Bonds failed an amphetamine test, which is a banned substance. Not aware of a failed steroid test, but not many argue that he took steriods, but HGH, which isn't tested for...

You might have meant this anyway, but I was under the impression that its not that they weren't tested for it, but that there just isn't any way to actually detect HGH.

[Deejay]

You can't detect it through piss. You'd need a blood sample, and the MLB doesn't take blood samples from their players.

[Xavier]

You can't detect it through piss. You'd need a blood sample, and the MLB doesn't take blood samples from their players.

Oh, that makes sense then.

[Blarg]

But what if they punch your kidneys a whole bunch so you pee blood, is that allowed?

[Deejay]

So i'm watching ESPN first take and supposedly someone has come forward with pictures Roger Clemens at the Conseco party lol.

Clemens testified under oath vehemently that he wasn't at the party, and all the jaded Republicans were yelling at McNamee the whole time for "lying" on Clemens for being at the party.

This could bring up some serious perjury charges on Clemens.

[Akiyama]

My ESPN hasn't worked all fucking day. It's pissing me off. D:

[Xavier]

Were the pictures of him at the party eatting and talking or just "at" the party? Because iirc at one point he said that "its possible that I may have been at the house, that I may have been there for a minute or two if I dropped my wife off there."

I think he left himself a little wiggle room because he definitely denied being at the party talking about drugs but suggested he may have "been" at the party briefly, but still, pictures of him there is pretty damning.

[Cephius]

Were the pictures of him at the party eatting and talking or just "at" the party? Because iirc at one point he said that "its possible that I may have been at the house, that I may have been there for a minute or two if I dropped my wife off there."

I think he left himself a little wiggle room because he definitely denied being at the party talking about drugs but suggested he may have "been" at the party briefly, but still, pictures of him there is pretty damning.

Yeah, he produced the ticket that showed he teed off at the golf course at about 9PM. He said it normally takes him about 30 minutes to get out of the clubhouse, and that it's about a 30 minute drive from the Conseco house to the golf course. When a senator asked if he was at the party prior to that time, he didn't say yes or no. He gave a "cannot recall" and that was pretty much the end of it.

So unless this picture has some kind of timestamp that puts him there after 8PM or so, I don't think it'll get Clemens in any trouble.

[Xavier]

Justice Department has been asked by Congress to investigate Clemens on perjury.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball ... tion_N.htm