Bard CHR+

[Gaborn]

A linkshell buddy of mine is leveling BRD and considering a Haste build for it. He was wondering how much CHR+ a Bard needs for maximum effect on their spells so he knows how much gear he can trade out for Haste+

[Aerides]

We don't get an absurd amount of haste gear but there are some nice spell cast/recast down things. You can tell him to work on both if he really likes (but generally skill then chr).

For songs not affected by CHR (ie, buffs) go with skill (to cap), then haste/recast. For debuffs skill then chr.

IE, I put my haidate/swift on for ballad recasts - which have no modifier, but AF+1 legs/corsette+1 for most else.

[Gaborn]

Hume Male

So he should be shooting for just above 110 then for CHR? And from the first two posts is it safe to assume that for the most part it isn't worth the potency hit to put much haste gear in at all? (Beyond what you can fit into pieces without big chr+)

[Sylphet]

What will he be using BRD for mainly?

You can get away with using a haste build for almost everything in XP just fine but for HNMs he will want to stack more. Haste becomes less important for HNMs because you don't want to be casting songs again until you really need to as doing so would create unnecessary enmity. The big songs to land on HNMs are elegy and threnody. He will probably want to play around with skill builds and CHR builds to see which he prefers (which is better is still a topic of debate between some BRDs).
Personally I only use haste/fast cast setup for finale on HNMs since that has a lower resist rate than other spells and there's usually a RDM that can back you up with dispel if it gets resisted. However for elegy and threnody I prefer to stack on skill/CHR to increase my chances of landing it in the first place.

Also, one of the best things to do is to actually get haste (spell) cast on you. Just need to overcome WHMs and RDMs fear of casting the spell on a non-melee.

[LinktheDeme]

I thought CHR for bard was like MND for rdm? By saying that I mean i thought the more CHR you have the stronger elegy is?

[Leeto]

Nope, the only thing that affects the potency of elegy is horn+1 or gjallarhorn. CHR is strictly offensive accuracy, not potency

[ad3285]

Accuracy depends on CHR not Skills?

[malak]

Pretty sure skill plays a part in resists also. Just as singing skill + wind/string skill = total skill. I imagine it's kind of the same way with skill + chr, if you are lacking in one of the other, you'd probably lose some acc. I'd go for an even build. In places where you can stack a lot more chr than you could skill, I'd go with that, same visaversa. However, I'm not sure exactly how they stack up against eachother. Example: would you want 4 chr or 2 skill? Or 5 chr or 2 skill. I've been a 75 brd for a while and I still don't know exactly how skill and chr work for debuffing accuracy, lol.

[rithridan]

Also, one of the best things to do is to actually get haste (spell) cast on you. Just need to overcome WHMs and RDMs fear of casting the spell on a non-melee.

Do not believe this! If you get haste casted on yourself as a BRD you will MELT!

[hanks]

CHR is as useful to a bard as VIT is to a paladin.

There, I said it.

[malak]

CHR is as useful to a bard as VIT is to a paladin.

There, I said it.

May I ask for some facts that prove your point please? Instead of just throwing the statement out there, lol.

[Leeto]

Kinda true, it just ends up being that you have far fewer options for other stats in most slots (see: back...wearing a level 54 item that does nothing but one stat at 75 is disgusting) so you end up piling CHR on

[fantasticdan]

CHR is as useful to a bard as VIT is to a paladin.

There, I said it.

May I ask for some facts that prove your point please? Instead of just throwing the statement out there, lol.

I definitely wouldn't say it's as useless as vit, but it doesn't seem to do much past a certain point. I think the main thing is just having more chr than your target, which almost any brd will have with basic gears anyway.

[Effrenat]

I was bored one day and I decided to take my String skill from 0 and raise it in a merit pt, so I changed it in the script folder to Nursemaid's Harp, and I was landing Lullaby about 70-80% of the time on Colibri in my normal debuff gear. Also note I was still skill 0 at that time for string. (I did it as a joke to friends while leveling bard.)

Seeing the consistent lands of lullaby with a string skill still under 10 made me wonder how much singing/CHR gear really effects a Bards debuff songs. I'm not sure, but I could try to use taking off all CHR gear and using skill gear in my next merit party and see how that fairs again.

Also my CHR is around 110 and singing was around 238 when I was doing this (HQ staffs too).

[Dexy]

You don't really need to stack CHR high, if you are having resists just double CHR Etude yourself and you won't see resists anyway.

[Callisto]

You don't really need to stack CHR high, if you are having resists just double CHR Etude yourself and you won't see resists anyway.

I don't think it hurts anything to stack CHR in either scenario, if you're in meripo you don't really have time to be casting double etude on yourself in between buffs and pulls, and if you're in HNM you don't really have a lot of use for Haste/FC. I try for a solid mix of skill/CHR/MAcc, my CHR boost comes out to about +45 not counting weapons, with +10 Wind, Singing +18, String +3, and MAcc+6. I rarely see any resists, although I am working on a Haste build for meripos.

[supercoco]

You don't really need to stack CHR high, if you are having resists just double CHR Etude yourself and you won't see resists anyway.

wind skill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chr

the only time where you would need to stack CHR is while fighting on random HNMs, such as Cerberus,Khimaira, etc..., but you must sub /blm for those kind of fights, and chr isnt needed with /blm.
While meriting you wont get resisted almost if you dont have a shitty gear.

[Kisetai]

A brd will not be successful if they exclude either skill or chr. That said skill decreases resist rate much better than chr does. I had an almost all chr build at one point during my earlier days of barding and as I upgraded some chr gear to skill gear the number of resists I got drastically decreased.

On the flip side, I've found that in salvage if I'm majorly lacking chr I usually have a bad time with resists. In a recent arrapago run I ended up at the boss completely naked except for my gjallarhorn, meaning I had 75-26 chr and +26 to both singing and wind (251 total each) and I couldn't reliably elegy the boss for the life of me.

As to the original question of this thread, there's no reason that your friend can't macro swap in things such as walahra turban and byakko's haidate for utsusemi recast and then swap to a bit more chr/skill gear for sleeping. Haste gear isn't as much of an issue if your sleeps don't get resisted.