Rap Harness vs Homam Corazza for thf

[Aurara]

Hey all. My friend was telling me that homam corazza sucks for thf, becuase rap harness has 4% haste(seriously, he said 4% haste>15 acc and lol2.5% triple attack). Hes saying that mithra thfs have no use due to(get this)80 base dex as thf/nin at 75. He also said that a thf in DH out tp'd a homam corazza thf(DH thf use sushi). So...can anyone please give me an answer?
Thanks for your time

[Mansin]

I'm no thief but I'm willing to bet your friend is stupid.

[Judai]

shit is situational!

Corazza would be great for meat build imo. Rap.Harness would need Sushi more then likely, idk about DH, might be able to get away with meat if you had full merits and lots of extra Acc but prolly Sushi again.

Most of the good THFs I know who have Corazza use it and use meat. It really would depend on alot of other things but I would have to think if you use Homam Corazza correctly it would be pretty damn good. Meat>Sushi.

61THF myself and I try to use RapHarness and even with Sushi and one Dagger merit(yayforDEonelvlearly?) I miss more then I like. I usually switch to SH and use that instead.

Corazza definately doesn't suck though. (Have to ask them if they use Sushi with Rap and if they would use Sushi with Corazza. I would bet they are a Sushi only THF if they say it's worthless.)

[Aurara]

shit is situational!

Corazza would be great for meat build imo. Rap.Harness would need Sushi more then likely, idk about DH, might be able to get away with meat if you had full merits and lots of extra Acc but prolly Sushi again.

Most of the good THFs I know who have Corazza use it and use meat. It really would depend on alot of other things but I would have to think if you use Homam Corazza correctly it would be pretty damn good. Meat>Sushi.

61THF myself and I try to use RapHarness and even with Sushi and one Dagger merit(yayforDEonelvlearly?) I miss more then I like. I usually switch to SH and use that instead.

Corazza definately doesn't suck though. (Have to ask them if they use Sushi with Rap and if they would use Sushi with Corazza. I would bet they are a Sushi only THF if they say it's worthless.)

showmo said this
edit: he was the person i was talking about

[BerenTebogo]

I don't have THF 75 but I know both of you are stupid.

Haste is always the winner, homam to building TP on higher level stuff.

[Aurara]

I don't have THF 75 but I know both of you are stupid.

Haste is always the winner, homam to building TP on higher level stuff.

dont me bitter because your 35 legs never drop D:

[Eaglestrike]

Your friend is retarded for thinking Rap Harness even comes close to Corazza. So is anyone else who may have thought that. 2.5% triple attack and 4% Haste is roughly equal (depending on how much other haste you have) but acc+15 on the Corazza is +7.5% hit rate which is very very good for THF.

[Loren]

Rapparee can result in a greater number of hits IF and only if:
1) you already have a good chunk of Haste
2) your hit rate is somehow capped while you wear it

He also said that a thf in DH out tp'd a homam corazza thf(DH thf use sushi)

The only way DH changes your TP rate is Acc+3, so either he's saying that 3 > 15, or there are more differences between the two THF in which case he's making a meaningless statement. "I won parse with Lu Shang rod" etc.

The difference in # of swings between Homam and Rap varies with Haste level but is within 1-3% of each other in most common cases. The accuracy difference, however, is much larger. 15 Acc = 7.5 percentage points on hit chance = at least ~9-10% improvement in total damage output unless you're hitting the cap

[malak]

As it was said before, shit is situational.

Raparee Harness is really nice for soloing, for lowering utsusemi recasts. Also good for farming/fighting lower level mobs where you don't need any accuracy boosts.

However, if you have a haste build, without having all the rest of the homam pieces, you will need accuracy. A lot of haste pieces do not add accuracy, except for homam. This is where the body comes in very handy. I only have the body/hands (i have head but fuck that), so when I merit, I definately use the Corazza over harness. If I had the feet/legs, I MIGHT use the harness depending on what type of mobs I'm meriting on. Corazza also stacks pretty well with capped triple attack merits. It's also a must if you're THF at HNM, where gaining TP steadily is the key.

SITUATIONAL

[Necrosis]

Only time I use rapparee is for utsu recasts. If you're TPing in rapparee when you have homam body, you're doing it wrong. Fulltime meat ftw.

[fantasticdan]

Hey all. My friend was telling me that homam corazza sucks for thf

Is your friend by any chance just wanting to lot homam body before your thf? Or is he just a shitty thf himself, trying to validate his lack of good gear? Either something like that or he's just an idiot lol. Can't imagine anyone using the harness over homam body outside of utsu for solo, or small group/duo tanking situations.

[Judai]

Hey all. My friend was telling me that homam corazza sucks for thf

Is your friend by any chance just wanting to lot homam body before your thf? Or is he just a shitty thf himself, trying to validate his lack of good gear? Either something like that or he's just an idiot lol. Can't imagine anyone using the harness over homam body outside of utsu for solo, or small group/duo tanking situations.

Now that I know who the guy is, he is a Chasuble RDM. That's all I have to say on his advice. Guy has been around awhile but really has no clue what he is talking about, on any of his jobs, like ever.

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

This is complete fucking bullshit.

You're a complete fucking idiot if you use Rapparee beyond Utsu recast, end of story.

[Zoot]

I agree with Zanz.

(except in the case of maybe chaining vt's, but where in merit land are you actually going to do that.)

This is assuming you have capped Triple.

[Okuza]

Corazza: DEF:49 HP+28 MP+28 Accuracy+15 Enhances "Triple Attack" effect (Triple+2.5%)
Rapparee: DEF:32 Ranged Accuracy+2 Haste+4%

If you want to translate this into actual gains over wearing nothing at all you have:

Corazza: hit rate + 7.5%, total hits + 5% == ~12.5% gain in dot & tp.
Rapparee: total hits + 4% == 4% gain in dot & tp.

So, the Corraza is roughly 3x better than the Rapparee at a minimum. If it let's you eat meat while maintaining a 90%+ hit rate, it's even more than that. Rapparree wins for Utsu recast and that's about it. Even a SH+0 beats Rapparee for DOT & TP (5% gain to hit rate) unless your hit-rate is 90%+ with the Rapparee.

Even if you're capped on hit-rate, Corazza is still +5% hits over Rapparee's +4%. About the only time you can win on dot/tp with Rapparee is if you're capped on haste elsewhere and capped on hit rate. That's damn unlikely without the +15 acc from corazza or a food-switch to sushi.

[Celebrindor]

Hey all. My friend was telling me that homam corazza sucks for thf

Is your friend by any chance just wanting to lot homam body before your thf? Or is he just a shitty thf himself, trying to validate his lack of good gear? Either something like that or he's just an idiot lol. Can't imagine anyone using the harness over homam body outside of utsu for solo, or small group/duo tanking situations.

Now that I know who the guy is, he is a Chasuble RDM. That's all I have to say on his advice. Guy has been around awhile but really has no clue what he is talking about, on any of his jobs, like ever.

The conversation continued past this slam dunk?

You sir know how to throw out an insult.

[Vedder]

As has been said, the 2.5% triple attack and 4% haste are roughly equal (depending on other haste gear) with regards to increased hit rate. So you are then looking at the 15 acc on corazza compared to??? Right...there's nothing else on Rapp besides the Haste.

I have 22% haste on my THF, but if I get Corazza you better believe I'll be using Rapparee for recast onry.

[Thorny]

Rapparee: total hits + 4% == 4% gain in dot & tp.

I wish I knew maffs liek this.
Pretty sure nobody gave a situation.. personally, I haven't used THF outside of farming for a good 2 months. You don't need more than charm, rings, and dagger merits to cap acc on anything you can reasonably farm. With capped acc and typical haste gear in other slots, homam loses to rapparee because increasing returns and consistancy on haste tear up triple attack. Homam Corazza is great for unstacked WS, TP on anything your acc isn't capped on, and looking sexy, no denying it, but this doesn't mean its the end-all bodypiece. If you're doing limbus, ENM, solo farming, cities dynamis or any of the other places you don't have accuracy problems then you're better off losing the epeen and putting your rapp back on(even moreso if you have haste/marches).

[Secksi]

Only time I use my Rapp harness for anything ever is 50 capped areas.

Solo/farming I use SH+1, Dynamis is usually Homam unless I'm pulling(SH+1), merits I use Homam.

[skurlover]

On long battles (mostly solo) I can see the 4% Haste "possibly" giving you more DoT (where you are capped fully on acc). However, if you talk Dynamis or Merits (where mobs die right after engaging), there is NO FUCKING POINT to Haste as you are switching targets more often than you are swinging at them.

And Dragon Harness is WS only. Post that parse, I'd love to pick their damage and gear apart.