Rap Harness vs Homam Corazza for thf

[Meepein]

My Rap. Harness stays in my MH. Really, I tried it, and I am not a fan at all The ACC on the Corazza is so much nicer than some Haste, esp. since it is the backbone of a meat build for THF. Hell, if I did not have Homam body, I would probably TP in P. Body or SH (too poor for +1.) As much as I love me that Haste, I also love to, you know, hit the mob. And, if I can hit the mob while using meat, all the better. Dragon Harness has some use solo (for Subtle Blow if you are worried about TP moves), but aside from that, I only use it for Trick Attack.

Plus, Rap. Harness is ugly as hell, it really is. I know that means nothing, but it really is pretty damn ugly. I guess I might carry it to macro in for Utsu, but I run around in 18% Haste as is...

[BerenTebogo]

On long battles (mostly solo) I can see the 4% Haste "possibly" giving you more DoT (where you are capped fully on acc). However, if you talk Dynamis or Merits (where mobs die right after engaging), there is NO FUCKING POINT to Haste as you are switching targets more often than you are swinging at them.

And Dragon Harness is WS only. Post that parse, I'd love to pick their damage and gear apart.

No point to haste in dynamis or merits, oh man, if I didn't already have the suzaku thing in my sig, this would totally win a spot.

[skurlover]

On long battles (mostly solo) I can see the 4% Haste "possibly" giving you more DoT (where you are capped fully on acc). However, if you talk Dynamis or Merits (where mobs die right after engaging), there is NO FUCKING POINT to Haste as you are switching targets more often than you are swinging at them.

And Dragon Harness is WS only. Post that parse, I'd love to pick their damage and gear apart.

No point to haste in dynamis or merits, oh man, if I didn't already have the suzaku thing in my sig, this would totally win a spot.

Work the math of that 4% and tell me how often you'll get an extra attack. Oh, that's right, by the time you do, that current mob is dead and you can start over on the next one.

[BerenTebogo]

On long battles (mostly solo) I can see the 4% Haste "possibly" giving you more DoT (where you are capped fully on acc). However, if you talk Dynamis or Merits (where mobs die right after engaging), there is NO FUCKING POINT to Haste as you are switching targets more often than you are swinging at them.

And Dragon Harness is WS only. Post that parse, I'd love to pick their damage and gear apart.

No point to haste in dynamis or merits, oh man, if I didn't already have the suzaku thing in my sig, this would totally win a spot.

Work the math of that 4% and tell me how often you'll get an extra attack. Oh, that's right, by the time you do, that current mob is dead and you can start over on the next one.

You didn't say you were comparing homam to rap. solely for that blunt statement, after reading the math I agree homam is probably better for merits.

Bluntly stating that you shouldn't use haste in merits IS retarded and worthy of being called out for though.

And as a general rule, if +4% haste on other merit jobs aren't making a difference to your DPS, chances are you're doing it completely wrong.

[VZX]

I don't have quadratic equation solver at work
solve this:
0.04/(h^2 - 0.04h) = 0.085714
with constraint:
0<=h<=.9375

h is the total haste you have before you wear rapparee harness

solve for h, then you get the minimum amount of haste you need for raparee harness = homam corazza for DoT (neglecting the 2.5% triple attack)

[Max™]

Wow, that is a hell of a revelation, haste doesn't matter when mobs die fast? My god, I've been doing it wrong all this time.

[Neosutra]

Wow, that is a hell of a revelation, haste doesn't matter when mobs die fast? My god, I've been doing it wrong all this time.

I have had a few people in my LS say things like this and the only thing I can think of is "wow, this guy has the IQ of a 15 year old", then I remembered that 15 year olds play this game and didnt feel as bad.

But ya, that guys ignorance isnt an uncommon virtue unfortunately.

[skurlover]

On long battles (mostly solo) I can see the 4% Haste "possibly" giving you more DoT (where you are capped fully on acc). However, if you talk Dynamis or Merits (where mobs die right after engaging), there is NO FUCKING POINT to Haste as you are switching targets more often than you are swinging at them.

And Dragon Harness is WS only. Post that parse, I'd love to pick their damage and gear apart.

No point to haste in dynamis or merits, oh man, if I didn't already have the suzaku thing in my sig, this would totally win a spot.

Work the math of that 4% and tell me how often you'll get an extra attack. Oh, that's right, by the time you do, that current mob is dead and you can start over on the next one.

You didn't say you were comparing homam to rap. solely for that blunt statement, after reading the math I agree homam is probably better for merits.

Bluntly stating that you shouldn't use haste in merits IS retarded and worthy of being called out for though.

And as a general rule, if +4% haste on other merit jobs aren't making a difference to your DPS, chances are you're doing it completely wrong.

Yeah, we just were debating the issue on wording sematics. I never said that haste wasn't a good thing, just that on this particular piece, Homam wins out in short fights for sure. With a meat build, there really isn't a question at all.

[Maimildre]

4% haste standalone is crap but the more haste you put on increase your DoT Exponentially... Where as the opposite is true for Accuracy. For those mathematically challenged... consider 98% haste.. adding 1% of haste gear DOUBLES your DoT.

Heres a chart I used in an argument vs a friend of mine.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7...ohaste2vc6.png
Typo here: Spose to say X Accuracy = 1 Haste not X hitrate.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5...asterawmm1.png

So Where it whenever you get into the SV Haste range!

[bacaca]

fire bomblet = +6
love torque = +7 (3 more if use PCC)
Homam Gambieras = +6
Dual Sniper+1 or toreador = +14
Homam Manopolas = +4
Homam Cosciales = +3
Blau Dolch = +5

Total Acc = +45 (48 with PCC)
Add 16 dagger merits to that for +61 (64 with PCC)

W Turban = 5%
Homam Gambieras = 3%
Homam Cosciales = 3%
Homam Manopolas = 3%
Speed Belt = 6%
R HARNESS = 4%

Total Haste = 24%

Why would you ever want to wear Homam Body when you can have 24% haste AND parse 90% acc eating meat??

[malak]

fire bomblet = +6
love torque = +7 (3 more if use PCC)
Homam Gambieras = +6
Dual Sniper+1 or toreador = +14
Homam Manopolas = +4
Homam Cosciales = +3
Blau Dolch = +5

Total Acc = +45 (48 with PCC)
Add 16 dagger merits to that for +61 (64 with PCC)

W Turban = 5%
Homam Gambieras = 3%
Homam Cosciales = 3%
Homam Manopolas = 3%
Speed Belt = 6%
R HARNESS = 4%

Total Haste = 24%

Why would you ever want to wear Homam Body when you can have 24% haste AND parse 90% acc eating meat??

You're also putting down gear that 95% of people don't have.

Switch Toreadors/Sniper +1 with Snipers, speed belt with swift belt, not to mention some people who don't have 4(5)/5 homam, blau dolch, or fire bomblet... and you'll see why people would mainly use Corazza over Harness. Let's be realistic, Corazza > Harness, providing your gear isn't epeen.

[bacaca]

fire bomblet = +6
love torque = +7 (3 more if use PCC)
Homam Gambieras = +6
Dual Sniper+1 or toreador = +14
Homam Manopolas = +4
Homam Cosciales = +3
Blau Dolch = +5

Total Acc = +45 (48 with PCC)
Add 16 dagger merits to that for +61 (64 with PCC)

W Turban = 5%
Homam Gambieras = 3%
Homam Cosciales = 3%
Homam Manopolas = 3%
Speed Belt = 6%
R HARNESS = 4%

Total Haste = 24%

Why would you ever want to wear Homam Body when you can have 24% haste AND parse 90% acc eating meat??

You're also putting down gear that 95% of people don't have.

Switch Toreadors/Sniper +1 with Snipers, speed belt with swift belt, not to mention some people who don't have 4(5)/5 homam, blau dolch, or fire bomblet... and you'll see why people would mainly use Corazza over Harness. Let's be realistic, Corazza > Harness, providing your gear isn't epeen.

It's more likely that you get 3/5 Homam feet, pants, hands than getting Homam body since Drk's, Pld's, Drg's all benefit more than thf getting it. This is, afterall, a topic on HOMAM gear. . . If you swap speed belt with swift and use nq snipers, that's only losing 2% haste and 1 acc which puts you at 22% haste and 1 less accuracy than the ideal setup (which will still out parse homam body anyday).

And if your a thf w/o blau or fire bomblet, then you prolly shouldn't be playing thf at all.

[Baha]

fire bomblet = +6
love torque = +7 (3 more if use PCC)
Homam Gambieras = +6
Dual Sniper+1 or toreador = +14
Homam Manopolas = +4
Homam Cosciales = +3
Blau Dolch = +5

Total Acc = +45 (48 with PCC)
Add 16 dagger merits to that for +61 (64 with PCC)

Why would you ever want to wear Homam Body when you can have 24% haste AND parse 90% acc eating meat??

8/8 dagger
blau +5
bomblet +6
love torque +7
homam body +15
homam manopolas +4
sniper +5
jaeger +4
swift +3
cosciales +3
gambieras +6
= +74 accuracy

84,51% accuracy on birds earlier today. I don't really like using Jaeger, but even with it my acc isn't up where it should/could be.

If I drop any acc, it'd be Swift for Velocious, and Jaeger for Rajas, no way I'd ever lose homam for rapparee. It'd barely be an increase of swings (if it would even be an increase, I'm not going to throw math around) for a loss of 15 acc. Q_Q
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It's more likely that you get 3/5 Homam feet, pants, hands than getting Homam body since Drk's, Pld's, Drg's all benefit more than thf getting it.

What? No? DRG and THF have same shitty alternatives for TP, other two can wear hauby so why do they need it?

[malak]

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It's more likely that you get 3/5 Homam feet, pants, hands than getting Homam body since Drk's, Pld's, Drg's all benefit more than thf getting it. This is, afterall, a topic on HOMAM gear. . . If you swap speed belt with swift and use nq snipers, that's only losing 2% haste and 1 acc which puts you at 22% haste and 1 less accuracy than the ideal setup (which will still out parse homam body anyday).

And if your a thf w/o blau or fire bomblet, then you prolly shouldn't be playing thf at all.

I'm a THF with just Body and Hands, for many reasons that I'm not going to explain. Therefore the haste gear I have for feet/legs are Dusk/Bravo's, that have no acc, so Corazza is definately a huge asset to my TP setup. By the way, HQ Sniper are 7 acc so you're losing 4 acc if you swap to 2x NQ. I'm just stating that most people don't have all the gear. The only situation where Harness (aside from Utsusemi) could possibly beat out Corazza was the situation you gave where the person had the best of all the gear they could get.

That last line though didn't make much sense at all. There's a lot of thf's out there without Blau Dolch and Fire Bomblet. I didn't have them both for the longest time. I do have them now, but why would you not play a job because you don't have the best for it? It's like saying you can't play WHM because you don't have a Noble's Tunic. My 75 war still doesn't have Haidate, but it's still decent. Should I just give it up? No thank you.

[Vedder]

I question people that say their accuracy is 90%+ on THF with meat... I'm sure it's possible, but most people just can't get that kind of build together.

For THFs hurting to hit that 90% accuracy, I can't see how Homam body would hurt.

[Eaglestrike]

fire bomblet = +6
love torque = +7 (3 more if use PCC)
Homam Gambieras = +6
Dual Sniper+1 or toreador = +14
Homam Manopolas = +4
Homam Cosciales = +3
Blau Dolch = +5

Total Acc = +45 (48 with PCC)
Add 16 dagger merits to that for +61 (64 with PCC)

W Turban = 5%
Homam Gambieras = 3%
Homam Cosciales = 3%
Homam Manopolas = 3%
Speed Belt = 6%
R HARNESS = 4%

Total Haste = 24%

Why would you ever want to wear Homam Body when you can have 24% haste AND parse 90% acc eating meat??

Where does this parse 90% acc? C.Mire? I use Homam body (don't have bomblet or acc+7 rings) and have roughly that amount of +acc and on Colibri I parse in the upper 70's for hit rate.

Only time I can see Rap Harness even coming close is in a high accuracy situation when you have Haste spell and 2x marches constantly. How often is that? Practically never. For everyone saying "merit pt lol" I said "high accuracy" and unless you're at C.Mire, nope.

[Aurara]

Jesus, i just wanted a simple answer...ill post my build so you all can see what i actually use
TP build:
Main:Blau Sub Sirocco
Head:W.turban
BodyCorazza
Hands:War Gloves
Rings:Woodsman/Rajas
Legsahluwan(sp)
Feet: AF2
Ranged: Bomb core
Earrings: Brutal/Suppa
Neck:Chiv. Chain
Waist:Swift

WS build:
Head:AF2
Body: Dragon Harness
Hands:Heca
Legs:Dragon sub.
Feet:Heca
Waist: Warwolf
Back:assassin's cape
Rings:Rajas/Spinal
Earrings:Brutal/Hollow
Neck: soil/breeze depending on what ws i use

[Baha]

Jesus, i just wanted a simple answer...ill post my build so you all can see what i actually use

Stick with Corazza for merits, if you eat meat you'll probably barely get close to 80%acc with that setup, if you take it out it's only worthwhile with sushi.

[Quixotic]

fire bomblet = +6
love torque = +7 (3 more if use PCC)
Homam Gambieras = +6
Dual Sniper+1 or toreador = +14
Homam Manopolas = +4
Homam Cosciales = +3
Blau Dolch = +5

Total Acc = +45 (48 with PCC)
Add 16 dagger merits to that for +61 (64 with PCC)

W Turban = 5%
Homam Gambieras = 3%
Homam Cosciales = 3%
Homam Manopolas = 3%
Speed Belt = 6%
R HARNESS = 4%

Total Haste = 24%

Why would you ever want to wear Homam Body when you can have 24% haste AND parse 90% acc eating meat??

Bullshit unless the only place you merit is Caedarva mire. Except for snipers+1/toreadors, and full dagger merits (4/8, other 16 were in sword/archery because I had a ridill and I loved my ranger), I had all of that gear + a corazza, and you are not going to parse 90% with meat in any of the better merit spots. In addition, I distinctly meriting with a thief with gear just as good as mine but he had full dagger merits, and he also had to tp in optical hat instead of turban and was barely able to manage 80% at colibri.

[Lordwafik]

45acc = 90% for a 2hander weapon maybe, but I don't remember the last time I exp'd using my Jupiter's staff.