PLD/nin gear help

[Furionstormrage]

How about, homam for Utsusemi: Ni, while af+1 for Utsusemi: ichi. I'm not pld, but when i'm playing my nin, usually i will go for full haste for Ni, but will replace some slot for evasion or reduce interuption for ichi, depending on the mobs I'm tanking.

If your mages don't mind you blinking like a cheap christmas tree (mine don't), then by all means swap around Haste and Shield Skill for Utsusemi all that you want to.

Personally I do that, but if I'm low on HP, I just cast manually from the menu and don't blink.

[Kimiko]

can just scroll through this thread and get ideas on what people use. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=20863

Depends on your playstyle, some use more haste, some use more enmity. Some people use AF+1 Feet, some use Homam, some use Askar. etcetc. Shit is situational.

Important things are Haste and Enmity. HP and MP are a bonus. Shield is nice for casting shadows.

I use alot of swaps but things I use are/include;

Main: Macu+1
Sub: Koenig Shield
Range: Lamia Kaman
Head: Aegishjalmr
Neck: Parade Gorget(idle), Shield Torque(ichi,ni,oshit), Harmonia's Torque(flash,/ja)
Earrings: Ethereal/Cassie(lolTaruHP) Hades+1(flash/ja)
Body: AF+1
Hands: Homam
Rings: Herc/BQR
Back: Gigant/Cerb
Waist: SteppeSash(idle), Warwolf(ja), Swift(flash)
Legs: Homam, W.Legs
Feet: AF+1, Askar(kite)

might have missed some stuff but that is mostly basic, easy to obtain gear.

A follow up question if I may. Since I have several mage jobs (BLM, RDM, BRD, SCH at this point) leveled and full enmity down merits. Would I need to basically swap those for enmity up merits, or can this setup be effective with a enmity neutral merit setup?

[Lexa]

I think enmity down might hurt you. Enmity neutral could be workable. Enmity up is very helpful for PLD (I <3 my enmity merits) but considering your other jobs, all of which would be hurt by enmity up, I'd try out a neutral setup first, pimping out the enmity in your gear, and see what works for you - unless you're planning on going fulltime or near fulltime PLD, of course.

[Judai]

can just scroll through this thread and get ideas on what people use. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=20863

Depends on your playstyle, some use more haste, some use more enmity. Some people use AF+1 Feet, some use Homam, some use Askar. etcetc. Shit is situational.

Important things are Haste and Enmity. HP and MP are a bonus. Shield is nice for casting shadows.

I use alot of swaps but things I use are/include;

Main: Macu+1
Sub: Koenig Shield
Range: Lamia Kaman
Head: Aegishjalmr
Neck: Parade Gorget(idle), Shield Torque(ichi,ni,oshit), Harmonia's Torque(flash,/ja)
Earrings: Ethereal/Cassie(lolTaruHP) Hades+1(flash/ja)
Body: AF+1
Hands: Homam
Rings: Herc/BQR
Back: Gigant/Cerb
Waist: SteppeSash(idle), Warwolf(ja), Swift(flash)
Legs: Homam, W.Legs
Feet: AF+1, Askar(kite)

might have missed some stuff but that is mostly basic, easy to obtain gear.

A follow up question if I may. Since I have several mage jobs (BLM, RDM, BRD, SCH at this point) leveled and full enmity down merits. Would I need to basically swap those for enmity up merits, or can this setup be effective with a enmity neutral merit setup?

Enmity down will hurt you but you can work around it by doing alot more. You would need to spam some Ninjitsu as well, like Kurayami.(which some PLDs do anyways, I do sometimes but lately all the ppl I tank with ask me to hold back) Really though, once you get near the hate cape it doesn't matter much other then sustaining your hate.

Enmity nuetral is fine for PLD just need to work a bit more and stack some extra Enmity.

Enmity+ helps a good deal. I personally have +4 Enmity Merits, even with RDM and BLM and do fine. The only things about my gear set there I would care to change are my Body and Rings. Can't get Sattva cause I need Rajas for SAM and BLU and would love Shadow/Bloodbead (swap in Herc for ja/flash). Bodywise I would love Ares's or AF2, though even MBody would allow me to use a little less HP gear. (other then the obvious Aegis,Speed Belt which I sold, etcetc.)

I also don't blink at all, other then switching entire sets(ie fire, kite, ohshit shield). I do a ton of inside macro swaps though. If you choose to blink you have even more options available to you. I have a bunch of situational crap as well but like I said, that's the main set-up I use and I think it would work great for anyone. Can always sub in things like W.Turban if no Assjammer/BMask, AF2 Gloves or Dusk if no Homam, etctec.

Enmity and Haste are the big things. Shield is awsome for Utsu casts and when it's down.

[Churchill]

enmity gear. don't be a lazy ass and keep your haste gear in full-time. gear swap it for recasts.

Stel needs his emn to stay with my NIN!

Don't be a tool and let bad mages whining screw your gear swapping. I'd personally use two different setups, AF feet for Ichi, and Homam/Dusk for Ni.

[Elesirdur]

enmity gear. don't be a lazy ass and keep your haste gear in full-time. gear swap it for recasts.

Stel needs his emn to stay with my NIN!

Don't be a tool and let bad mages whining screw your gear swapping. I'd personally use two different setups, AF feet for Ichi, and Homam/Dusk for Ni.

If you're going to do that you may as well macro in Walahara Turban for Utsu casting and then swap back to the Assjammer or Bahamut's Mask if you've got it.

[Furionstormrage]

Just be smart about it, don't swap gear around if you're low on HP, otherwise dew-eet!

[BerenTebogo]

All these people taking the easy way out.

Real men merit enmity- and tank in Novia.

[Judai]

All these people taking the easy way out.

Real men merit enmity- and tank in Novia.

no wonder you suck.. :rocl:

[Naygor]

Different strokes for different folks.

[Vhess]

Hi. I had some PLD gear questions, so I thought I would piggyback onto this thread. My PLD is 68 at the moment, so I'm trying to plan my gear for endgame tanking.

You'll pretty much hit the recast cap with Homam Legs/Hands/Swift Belt along with full buffs, so I usually keep Gallant +1 on most of the time. If you're feeling comfortable and you're having no problems with shadows then put the Homam on .

By full buffs, are we talking Haste + Marches? I'm just wondering how much haste gear I should normally wear. I have access to quite a bit, but it looks like from this post that 10% would do it if I have a BRD + WHM/RDM for support? If I don't have a BRD, how much more should I wear? I'm sure this has been discussed in depth in manyother places, but I'm not quite sure where to find this basic information.

The main question I have is about the differences in equipment between PLD/war and PLD/nin. I understand the benefits of each sub, so I don't need to turn this into some argument from 2006. I just want to make sure I am on the right track for equipment. My thought is that for /nin I need haste + enmity and that other stats take a far back seat to those for /nin. On /war, though, I feel like you need a more balanced mix of stats -- some enmity, some hp and even some vit, enough to get up to 110 or whatever it is that is the "cap" for usefulness. I've asked for equipment advice on some other forums, and been told to just stack all the enmity I can get, but it seems like for /war there's a point where more enmity would not be as useful as having more of other stats.

Am I mistaken in this? Or am I on the right track? One of the specific questions I have is about what rings and earrings to use. I don't have access to the DM and CoP rewards for PLD, as I am using Suppa and Raja on other jobs. Again, I've been advised to just wear all enmity stuff, like Herc + Mermaids; while I can understand this for /nin, on /war I was thinking more like BQR + Soil (try not to laugh) with Herc as a macro piece on /ja. Are there better options?

So, to reiterate, here are my three questions:

1. How much haste equipment do I need on /nin, depending on what support I have?
2. Are my assumptions about the difference in equipment focus for /nin and /war correct, i.e. that /nin should focus on haste + enmity while /war needs to also mix in other stats? Or should you go all enmity either way?
3. What rings and earrings should I wear?

Thank you.

[Judai]

So, to reiterate, here are my three questions:

1. How much haste equipment do I need on /nin, depending on what support I have?
2. Are my assumptions about the difference in equipment focus for /nin and /war correct, i.e. that /nin should focus on haste + enmity while /war needs to also mix in other stats? Or should you go all enmity either way?
3. What rings and earrings should I wear?

Thank you.

PLD gear is all about how you play it. Depending on if you use a ton of MP, use NIN spells for hate, etcetc.

1. It's pretty hard to do much on PLD/NIN without a BRD and March. Holding hate is alot harder that way imo. Gear sets depend on what you are fighting. I macro swap inside gear, add in Haste for Spells and Enmity for other stuff, then HP and Shield for Idle. I don't blink but you could swap in more Haste and stuff by blinking as well.

2. /NIN is Enmity/Haste and then other stuff, I keep AF+1 Feet on fulltime cause like I said, I don't like blinking and +12 Shield is too big for me to pass up. Other 2 Feet could be Askar or Homam and I don't see 3Haste or 2Enmity helping me near as much as AF+1. /WAR Enmity/Shield and then other stuff. I don't bother with VIT, if something has it cool, if not oh well. I do idle in HP gear to cure myself for hate and for when I get nailed but for both jobs I try to keep some Shield gear on. Again, gear sets depend on what you are fighting and such. I tanked JaJa again other day and ended up swapping in Koenig Head for extra shield skill after I got pretty high on the Enmity list, just because he is constantly double attaking and getting hits in.

At the start of fights, Enmity is huge but in my opinion it becomes less important the longer the fight goes, because you will be nearing the cap. As long as you aren't just getting owned it's pretty easy to keep yourself above everyone else.

3. I use Ethereal(Hades+1)/Cassie and Herc/BQR. Don't see a point in Soil, as the Regen/Refresh from Herc when you get in that range would prolly do more for you. As for earrings you don't need HP(Cassie) and that would hurt your MP, so prolly something like Loq/Ethereal. Can use things like Buckler Earring as well.

You want a mix of everything and depending on how much you want to swap around you can add Enmity for /Ja, Haste+Enmity for Flash, HP+ for Cures, Shield+Haste for Utsu, etc.

[Furionstormrage]

1. Enough to hit the 50% recast cap, or close to it.

2. Depends, I prefer Haste, Enmity, Shield (in that order mostly) for /NIN and Shield, Enmity, HP for /WAR on most stuff.

3. Earrings: Ethereal, Hades/+1, Loq, Buckler/Knights are all good choices with either sub.

[Raineer]

Some WHM's might not like the idea of a tank constantly switching visable gear, especially on Ichi where you can easily get a double attack and start getting hit.

Some WHM's need to learn to macro properly.

[Furionstormrage]

Some WHM's might not like the idea of a tank constantly switching visable gear, especially on Ichi where you can easily get a double attack and start getting hit.

Some WHM's need to learn to macro properly.

AND some PLDs need to learn to not blink when they're at 12 HP.

(I blink for just about every macro, but I quit that shit and stay in Shield gear when I get low HP)

[Stiker]

Crimson Scale Mail, Blitz Ring, Koenig Schus, Toreador's Cape, OHat, Soil Ring, Quick Belt, Knight's Earring, Dual Wield Durandal and Tutelary, Rosenbogen (don't forget a Rune Arrow for VIT+1, they stack so get 99 if you can for +99 VIT).

Wait..wait...you serious on this? That doesn't sound right at all. I thought you could only get VIT+1 no matter how many you stacked

[Lexa]

Crimson Scale Mail, Blitz Ring, Koenig Schus, Toreador's Cape, OHat, Soil Ring, Quick Belt, Knight's Earring, Dual Wield Durandal and Tutelary, Rosenbogen (don't forget a Rune Arrow for VIT+1, they stack so get 99 if you can for +99 VIT).

Wait..wait...you serious on this? That doesn't sound right at all. I thought you could only get VIT+1 no matter how many you stacked

Whoosh, buddy.

[Stiker]

Crimson Scale Mail, Blitz Ring, Koenig Schus, Toreador's Cape, OHat, Soil Ring, Quick Belt, Knight's Earring, Dual Wield Durandal and Tutelary, Rosenbogen (don't forget a Rune Arrow for VIT+1, they stack so get 99 if you can for +99 VIT).

Wait..wait...you serious on this? That doesn't sound right at all. I thought you could only get VIT+1 no matter how many you stacked

Whoosh, buddy.

Wouldn't be the first time.

My n00bness knows no bounds.

[Lexa]

I love you anyway. <3