Melee Accuracy

[Sampi]

What percent accuracy do most melees aim for when they are parting? Everytime I party, I get extreamly hung up on my accuracy percent and feel I should use sushi a lot of the times, and yet I always read/hear melees having a meat only attitude, then I see they only have 78-80% accuracy and just dumbfounds me. Just seems to me if you miss a good amount of hits and WSs, then the attack is doing nothing for you.

So, what range is your bare minimum before you will use meat? 85%? 90%? etc... This is more looking at EXPing and merits also if it matters. HNMs are a different story.

[Xrave]

You aim for 95%, however you might sacrifice a little accuracy for a better piece of gear that improves your overall DoT.

Edit: For example Dusk Gloves on WAR instead of Adaman Mufflers.

[Sonomaa]

You aim for 95%, however you might sacrifice a little accuracy for a better piece of gear that improves your overall DoT.

Edit: For example Dusk Gloves on WAR instead of Adaman Mufflers.

dusk is a personal preference, I use WAR af2. Basically fight how you are comfortable, if you have merits you can sacrifice more acc for STR or attack, if you dont have merits, stack your acc gear as you will need it. A better example of haste vs attack would be potent or life belt vs swift/speed belt.

[Eaglestrike]

I am meat only and usually have 75-80% accuracy. I'd rather improve the damage of 75-80% of my hits than do the same damage for another 15% of my hits. On any mob that isn't nice and squishy you do more damage that way.

I would like to get above 80%, but that won't happen for a while seeing how I'm far from getting any of the upgrades (I guess I'm not far from getting a bomblet, but ideally I'll drop my swift belt for a speed so that's only +3 acc, then divisor/sniper+1 rings) and as I said in the () there aren't a ton of upgrades left for me. You could say THF is a special case though. We have 2 100% attack rounds a minute and when merited drop a mobs evasion to almost nothing for 30s every 6min (I usually aim to do this if we're on a mob and no one has any tp going in) so we technically have a great way to improve our accuracy without needing food/gear. And THF also has the lowest attack of any melee job in the game...lol

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

Aim for 95%, but I think 86-90% accuracy is acceptable using meat on certain mobs assuming it's increasing your overall DoT (which it typically does).

[Kylex]

If you can hold 82% acc reliably, you'll increase your DoT by eating meat.

However, be cautious on what mobs you're fighting. Ex: If you're at mamool Ja staging point and you eat meat, fighting the Infiltraters, wyverns, and especially the Lurkers will result in acc issues without madrigal or full accuracy gear, whereas the other mobs will not.

[Zoot]

What job is it that you're asking for, and do you have combat merits in your weapon? Personally I prefer meat if I can keep above an 80% average.

[Vedder]

Last time I was parsed at Colibri, I didn't even have full Katana merits yet and I was at 82% with meat / no food (ran out in the middle of the party).

So for that camp, I'd assert that an 85% parse rate would be a good target to shoot for.

For Mamool Ja staging point, it'd be hard to hit the average accuracy cap of 95% since a lot of your attacks will miss due to Puk Flash or shadows... not to mention Lurkers & Infiltrators. Perhaps something around 90% would be a reasonable target there.

[rithridan]

Last time I was parsed at Colibri, I didn't even have full Katana merits yet and I was at 82% with meat / no food (ran out in the middle of the party).

So for that camp, I'd assert that an 85% parse rate would be a good target to shoot for.

For Mamool Ja staging point, it'd be hard to hit the average accuracy cap of 95% since a lot of your attacks will miss due to Puk Flash or shadows... not to mention Lurkers & Infiltrators. Perhaps something around 90% would be a reasonable target there.

I assume this is with BRD giving you Blade Madrigal at the very least? My personal experience on NIN at colibri camp "feels" a lot less then 82% unless I get a madr2 thrown at me. Granted I should merit with a parser instead of a gut feeling.

[Saraphym]

Long answer

Depends on a lot of things.
1, the job your on, melee is too general of a term. Nin for example need more acc since katana is A- and even with merits you'll only be at 285 skill, whereas SAM or DRK can easily be at 297 with DM earrings/merits, 12 skill is a huge gap.

2, generally speakin you need 2 sets for melee/ws anyway, with tp set more focused more acc/haste. Most acc gear is pretty job bias free, so it shouldnt be too much of a problem here, just invest in some snipers etc.

3, what are you fighting? vt mobs? IT? at merit lvl obviously you wont need to keep acc as high since you'll be mostly chaining t~vt mobs + you'll have merits available.

4, what are you eating? sushi? meat? do you have a brd? whats songs is he playing? atk? haste? acc? switching depending on mob?

Basically there are a lot of factors that need to be considered.

short answer
80~85% acceptable with atk build depending on job.

[Vedder]

Last time I was parsed at Colibri, I didn't even have full Katana merits yet and I was at 82% with meat / no food (ran out in the middle of the party).

So for that camp, I'd assert that an 85% parse rate would be a good target to shoot for.

For Mamool Ja staging point, it'd be hard to hit the average accuracy cap of 95% since a lot of your attacks will miss due to Puk Flash or shadows... not to mention Lurkers & Infiltrators. Perhaps something around 90% would be a reasonable target there.

I assume this is with BRD giving you Blade Madrigal at the very least? My personal experience on NIN at colibri camp "feels" a lot less then 82% unless I get a madr2 thrown at me. Granted I should merit with a parser instead of a gut feeling.

There was one BRD in the party, yes. I don't remember what songs I asked for though, but a Madrigal would be a good possibility since I hadn't completed katana merits at the time and it was a LS party with people who had for the most part not yet completed combat skill merits on 2nd/3rd jobs.

Like you, I don't get to parse during merits much and my gut feeling was lower than 82%, so I was surprised at the result.

[Judai]

You don't fucking aim for 95% to eat meat, worst advice ever. Reach Acc cap then eat meat, amrite?

Aim for 80-85% and eat meat. If you are parsing much lower then 80% then you should prolly eat Sushi or learn2equipAcc. Personally on WAR I hit around 89% on Birds, I think 85% on Mamools. Monk I hit like 90% on Mamools now, eat meat on both jobs fulltime. I never merit with SAM so idk but prolly fine, lol.. I haven't bought or used Sushi in forever for anything.

For HNMs and zergs we always have Feint and usually 3 BRDs with one doing Mads, so I always use meat and still usually hit 95%-100% Acc.(I know Acc cap is 95% but I have hit 100% on zergs plenty of times, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/P ... kirinz.jpg poidh, me on monk, 100% Acc on Hundred Fists)

[Ferien]

Generally, eating meat, I keep around an 85% hit rate. If I start falling below that, it's sushi time. I also switch between my Haste set and my Acc set when I have to, depending on the mob we're fighting (generally only for Lurkers or Wyverns).

If you're below that, you'll be better off with Sushi (or refining your gear for more acc). Meat isn't always the best option.

[Sampi]

I do go big on Acc gear always, just wasn't sure what most find acceptable to use meat over sushi.

Long answer

Depends on a lot of things.
1, the job your on, melee is too general of a term. Nin for example need more acc since katana is A- and even with merits you'll only be at 285 skill, whereas SAM or DRK can easily be at 297 with DM earrings/merits, 12 skill is a huge gap.

2, generally speakin you need 2 sets for melee/ws anyway, with tp set more focused more acc/haste. Most acc gear is pretty job bias free, so it shouldnt be too much of a problem here, just invest in some snipers etc.

3, what are you fighting? vt mobs? IT? at merit lvl obviously you wont need to keep acc as high since you'll be mostly chaining t~vt mobs + you'll have merits available.

4, what are you eating? sushi? meat? do you have a brd? whats songs is he playing? atk? haste? acc? switching depending on mob?

Basically there are a lot of factors that need to be considered.

short answer
80~85% acceptable with atk build depending on job.

Eh... kind of think ya missed the point of the question, but will try to address them anyway.

1) I was asking in general, on NIN, I almost always use sushi since my Acc is lacking the most on that job, since without sushi, I would parse pretty low acc (Katana not merited). Mainly I am just looking for the % acc people want on mobs before they use meat, not the amount of acc needed.

2) I have way to many sets of gear, so I know this. Just on SAM, whiffing a full WS cause I ate meat seems to be a bigger determinant than the extra attack on the ones that do hit. Same goes with melee hits and WSing less cause you miss so much.

3) I know food depends on the camp, but I always parse the first 6 fights before using food to see how my acc is. This is the number I am wondering what people aim for in order to use meat. So far it seems most are saying 85%, where having 10% better hit rate from sushi is out weighed by the extra attack from food, or at least is my guess.

4) Eh... it doesn't matter, I am looking at just the Acc % on a mob with no food that you aim for in order to use meat, or maybe even put in more haste gear etc.

Thanks for the reply so far, as i just said, it seems to be 85% most aim for. The main reason I asked this, was I was in a party yesterday with a E body WAR who used meat but only had 74% acc, and then also a SAM who eat meat and only had 79% Acc. I myself had 84% (alsop still only level 74) and also using meat, but just felt like I was missing a lot of WS (No I dont toss in a ton more STR and leave no Acc when I WS, still had Hauby+1, Rajas, Potent, P charm, Bush, optical hat and fowling on for Acc).

[Saraphym]

if you're basing what to eat off the first 6 fights and having doubts about your setup because of 1 merit session I can tell you right now acc isn't the problem.

[Sampi]

Um... its not just one merit session, I was just using that as an example. And after 6 fights, I can get a general feel of my Acc with a parser... I was just using that party as an example... I know how to hit different acc % if wanted and to gear accordantly, the thing I don't know is a player preference to a point, and thats the Acc they want at bare minimum in order to use meat.

[eva00r]

I'm a BLU.

on Birds with BRD = 93-94% acc - Meat Kabob or Nothing
on Mamool with BRD = 88-92% acc - Sushi+1 ... depends on how Puks spam Flash :/

On bird camp I almost outparse anything except Ridill/Relic due to unlimit MP Drainkiss. So if you're meriting with BLU, I don't suggest eating meat at all. Put everything on Acc/Haste to get most possible average hits with Vorpal Blade, Disseverment, Frenetic Rips and lowest possible cooldown of Disseverment, MP Drainkiss.

Some parses here
- Melee damage 39.6% - Average 55.5 damage
- Vorpal Blade damage 16.8% - Average 522.58 damage
- Spell damage 43.2%

[ubermonkey]

On a related note, was exping at MJSP on nin earlier tonight, and my friend was parsing.

Setup was nin war drk brd cor rdm. Buffs were drk war march march.

Parse ended with something like me 36% war 32% drk 18% cor 14%. Now, the war had a nice gear set and was eating meat, and ended with ~89% acc or something similar.

I use a speed setup and ate sole and finished on 79% acc. This is clearly skewed.

My questions are twofold:

1) How much will flash skew the parse result roughly so I can make a more accurate assessment of my accuracy (warm-up and wind wall were dispelled immediately) and tweak my gear.

2) Am I going to be able to eat meat with 8/8 katana merits and this gear set:

TP
main/sub: Senji/unji (ranking up for perdu blade/scythe at the moment)
head: turban
neck: specs (fuck JoH in the eye)
body: Hauby NQ (with sushi i use af body)
rings: rajas/jaeger
back: amemet +1
earrings: suppa/brutal
Waist: swift
legs: Byakkos
Feet: Fumas
Ammo: bomb core
Hands: Bkote

WS
Head: Ohat
Neck: Specs
Body: hauby
Rings: Ruby/rajas
Back: amemet +1
earrings: coral/brutal
waist: warwolf
legs: byakkos
feet: rutters
ammo: bomb core
hands: bkote (temenos hates me).

If im eating meat I'm going to be using Hpie and have madrigal (2 bard parties only for meat I think).

[eva00r]

79% is terribly low, raising it to 90-95% will get a nice boost of overall damage instead of eating meat seriously.

[RKenshin]

Keep in mind that in a camp like Mamool Ja Staging point in particular your accuracy is going to be parsed at about 3-8% lower than it actually is if you're fighting a relatively balanced amount of Mamool/Sea Puks/Wyverns.

IMO, sub ~80% accuracy tells you that you need to either work on your gear a great deal or eat sushi. This is especially the case concerning your WS average if you're depending on multi-hit WS for a bulk of your damage; unless you have a buttload of accuracy gear you're just withholding. Small changes in your WS accuracy hurt your chance to land all hits of a WS (which will almost always be the maximum damage potential for any situation) significantly as the gap grows. A graph I made a week or two ago helps to illustrate this a little more clear than I can explain it:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1966/ffxi3657na7.jpg
X-Axis is the number of swings in a WS, Y-Axis is the percent chance of landing all swings, and each line represents the data at a given percent of accuracy. If needed I can explain it further if it's still not clear what it shows.


WS stuff aside, you should shoot for about 90%. If you're below 80%, you might want to change your food. If you're below ~85%, adjust your gear for more accuracy. Although, what gear is worth sacrificing for acc is situational and too broad to answer in a general sense. If you list a job I'm sure you could get some responses of what gear to aim for to get ideal ranges of accuracy.