War Weapon Question

[orson]

There's also the placebo luck factor. For me I find I parry more then evade.

[Sonomaa]

Mobs are like "zomg bewbs" when fighting mithras, and that reduces their accuracy by 15%, true story.

They see me, the cute little taru melee and are like "ok, that's adorable, so it must be evil, I must be certain to kill it with this one blow!"

>.> they arent that big, regardless I evade and parry a lot, maybe invest in a hauberk? less evasion lost and they arent too expensive if you can afford owning both

[Max™]

Mobs are like "zomg bewbs" when fighting mithras, and that reduces their accuracy by 15%, true story.

They see me, the cute little taru melee and are like "ok, that's adorable, so it must be evil, I must be certain to kill it with this one blow!"

>.> they arent that big, regardless I evade and parry a lot, maybe invest in a hauberk? less evasion lost and they arent too expensive if you can afford owning both

I have had a Hauberk for a while, I still hate getting hit in -10 Eva, but I don't /Nin anymore. Haven't needed too in a long time, anything with lots of AoE's I'd rather just go /Dnc, if I'm soloing/tanking little crap I'd /Dnc, and otherwise I'd rather get some DD benefit from my sub since I don't dual wield ever. Hell, when I do campaign I use my SH, did use Barone for neutral eva, but I sold it when I saw Alky's drop to 600, used that gil for my Str set.

I believe in the placebo effect that 2h weapons proc parry more often than 1h, gotten parrying to 159 on Warrior only. :D

[RKenshin]

if you're going to be in seigan mode full time then /nin is better (and the OP said he was lvl 48 so no seigan). /nin is predictable, /sam can be 1 hit and you're skrewed for 30-60 seconds. if you want to be /sam to be different then fine, don't do it in my pty I don't like having my time wasted. /nin is better for exp. I never said it was invincible, it's just more constant over time you will take less damage /nin, and when you're chaining over 50+ you'll want to take less damage unless you like waiting for mp.

If you're in Seigan mode full-time by no means is /NIN better if you can afford to use either choice in an exp PT. By subbing SAM you're not only gaining just Store TP, Meditate, Zanshin, and a few points of STR... But also what equates to about 5-10% Haste over a WAR/NIN without ever using Hasso (assuming a good amount of tanking, but why sub NIN if you're not and using a 2h weapon?). Casting shadows is and never was instant, it takes time away from your delay where you could be swinging. In the end if you're using a fair amount of both Ni and Ichi over the course of a PT that is killing fast enough to keep a single chain going, you're going to have the same effect of about 5-10% Slow as a result. Decreasing your total damage output over the course of a PT by 10% or more.

And Christ people, chaining over 50+ isn't because you have Utsesumi, nor is Utsesumi even required for just about 90% of the successful PTs. I and I'm sure many others have been in plenty of different setups and different PTs that had not one Utsesumi user/Utsesumi user that was tanking and they netted as much as 20-32k/h with no MP problems. Even in the average/below average pickup PTs netting around 10-15k/h it wasn't a problem.

I'm in no way trying to boast but no Utsesumi tank is holding hate off of me anyway in a typical PT, so either none of the exp PTs I join exist since it's apparently not possible for a non-Utsesumi user to tank successfully in an exp PT or maybe Utsesumi isn't as important as people seem to think. Although honestly, I thought this myth was dispelled like a few months ago. Must still be too many damage whore SAMs and /SAMs that don't know how to use Seigan, if at all.

[Max™]

I've never met a mage main who likes Sam or /Sam melees, cause they assume we only use Hasso, I've had to party with some for them to realise no, in fact I am not an MP sink. I would /Drg if I wanted to do that, Jumps are fun!

[RKenshin]

I've got the same for a few pickup PTs. I'm occasionally asked to sub NIN initially, but thus far I've been able to convince the leader otherwise for each time it happened. Then, by the end of the PT they're glad they let me just /WAR. I've never seen a PT that couldn't support me tanking, including some crazy setups with no Refresh.

I'm still eating up much less MP than your sadly typical /NIN that can't count shadows and won't use anything other than Ni anyway.

[Sampi]

I've got the same for a few pickup PTs. I'm occasionally asked to sub NIN initially, but thus far I've been able to convince the leader otherwise for each time it happened. Then, by the end of the PT they're glad they let me just /WAR. I've never seen a PT that couldn't support me tanking, including some crazy setups with no Refresh.

I'm still eating up much less MP than your sadly typical /NIN that can't count shadows and won't use anything other than Ni anyway.

God thats my pet peave... people that sub NIN and cant count shadows and use the sub to half of its ability. Maybe it comes from being a NIN main, but its not that hard to count to 3.

As for WAR, my personal preference is Gaxe, maybe cause I love 2 handed weapons (DRK and SAM leveld as well).

[yrpaine]

I've got the same for a few pickup PTs. I'm occasionally asked to sub NIN initially, but thus far I've been able to convince the leader otherwise for each time it happened. Then, by the end of the PT they're glad they let me just /WAR. I've never seen a PT that couldn't support me tanking, including some crazy setups with no Refresh.

I'm still eating up much less MP than your sadly typical /NIN that can't count shadows and won't use anything other than Ni anyway.

so you're trying to compare you on sam... to a "typical /nin that can't count shadows". when...

Must still be too many damage whore SAMs and /SAMs that don't know how to use Seigan, if at all.

Obviously good players are going to do well with seigan or with /nin.

I'm in no way trying to boast but no Utsesumi tank is holding hate off of me anyway in a typical PT

is what is prevented when everyone keeps same sub.

I would be more open to trust people I don't know to keep utsu up compared to seigan+third eye (Too many ppl want e-peen hasso parse dmg). If you're going with people you know, do what you want with subs. in generic pickup parties, I would suggest /nin unless you know the people with you can actually swap hate.

[RKenshin]

I wasn't comparing myself to a typical Utsesumi user in the fashion you mentioned it.

First, there's nothing special or unique about how I use Seigan that separates me from anyone else. Everyone is just as capable of reducing damage taken through use of Seigan as I am, with the only exception being that my damage reduction gear has two rather rare pieces. Regardless, those pieces don't make or break the set.

Second, I was making that comparison to illustrate the fact that many exp PTs depend on these types of /NINs to be their tanks; and they manage fine for the most part. The point I'm making in this comparison is that if your average /NIN person is going to likely end up eating a similar amount or more MP than I am, then why wouldn't my or someone else's Seigan tanking work in substitute considering the previous ideas? It wasn't meant to mean anything other than that.

However, everyone keeping the same sub wouldn't change how much of the time I'm usually tanking; especially in pickup PTs. I'm sure the same applies for quite a few others as well. But, if it's working fine then what's wrong with it?

God thats my pet peave... people that sub NIN and cant count shadows and use the sub to half of its ability. Maybe it comes from being a NIN main, but its not that hard to count to 3.

I hate that too. D:

It's just such a waste. It gets me even more when they rarely pull hate, but when they do they still can't manage to keep shadows up.

[Darkwill]

I hate that too. D:

It's just such a waste. It gets me even more when they rarely pull hate, but when they do they still can't manage to keep shadows up.

I've never seen a /nin ever take hate anyway because most of the /nin users can't even play sam for shit.

[Sonomaa]

dont lie ruke, you dont take damage, the rukender ring is damage taken -110% so it actually heals you... too bad the latent effect of lazy ass about updating LJ is in effect when worn

[RKenshin]

I updated recently.

[yrpaine]

I wasn't comparing myself to a typical Utsesumi user in the fashion you mentioned it.

First, there's nothing special or unique about how I use Seigan that separates me from anyone else. Everyone is just as capable of reducing damage taken through use of Seigan as I am, with the only exception being that my damage reduction gear has two rather rare pieces. Regardless, those pieces don't make or break the set.

I know there's nothing special about it, but some people are *deedeedee*. I don't trust most sam or /sam to play it right. it's the typical old (pre-pup) drg attitude "It's good if you know how to play it." and everyone says that thinking they know how to play it. Obviously you do, and i'm not saying that sarcastically at all, you're the example on how it is done right. My concern is the normal pickup sam or /sam is going to spam hasso like a noob. and only seigan + 3rd eye after they get hit 2-3 times, and this hurts a pty more than the war that doesn't know how to get ichi up imo.

[RKenshin]

I definitely agree, believe me the /SAM or SAMs that don't know how to use Seigan worth a crap drive me crazy as well. Almost as much as the /NINs that can't count shadows. Far too many people fall into one or both of those categories still. D:

[Max™]

I know how to use Seigan+Third Eye well too.

I don't have a relic weapon or popular live journal though, so lolme. T.T

[Darkwill]

I know how to use Seigan+Third Eye well too.

I don't have a relic weapon or popular live journal though, so lolme. T.T

We are in the same boat then

[Max™]

I know how to use Seigan+Third Eye well too.

I don't have a relic weapon or popular live journal though, so lolme. T.T

We are in the same boat then

Cept you got about 10 more Str than me.

loltaru

[Darkwill]

[quote=Max™]

I know how to use Seigan+Third Eye well too.

I don't have a relic weapon or popular live journal though, so lolme. T.T

We are in the same boat then

Cept you got about 10 more Str than me.

loltaru[/quote:1vrj2kfq]

\:D/

[Max™]

[quote=Darkwill]

I know how to use Seigan+Third Eye well too.

I don't have a relic weapon or popular live journal though, so lolme. T.T

We are in the same boat then

Cept you got about 10 more Str than me.

loltaru

\:D/[/quote:1thtabfe]

T.T

I was pretty damned happy to hit 70 Str as a taru War/Drg, one more str merit and I'll hit it /Sam, capping at 71.

[Ehran]

Quick side question:

Did anyone else without a joy/ridil off-hand Ifrit's Blade until Woodsville/Maneater, or was that just me?