FF has finally jumped the shark.

[Correction]

It's a franchise. Franchises don't change their look or gameplay that much.

It's like expecting Madden to get better. Final Fantasy has had ridiculous weapons since 6 (hi2u power tools and paintbrushes). What worries me is the rapidly closing gap between the look of men and women as the game grows into the teens.

[Alleya]

What worries me is the rapidly closing gap between the look of men and women as the game grows into the teens.

Yeah. I actually assumed the person in the picture was a guy until I looked again and saw what appeared to be sideboob. But I'm still not sure.

At least you knew for sure what Lulu was. Mmmm, Lulu.

[Turambar]

FF franchise went bye bye when Squaresoft turned into Squeenix.

JUST MY OPINION OKAY?

So the only one you didn't like was 12?

[Elcura]

That screenshot still doesn't make sense in terms of how the gameplay is supposed to be... can't they just show us a fucking video?

It's a JRPG, I hope you aren't expecting anything more engaging than selecting a menu over and over again.

Your ignorance is showing.

you probably wouldnt get more of an argument than that from someone with all that kingdom hearts shit in their avatar/sig

and yes, FFXIII looks like its going down the road of advent children/kingdom hearts 2. ugh. needs more zippers and belts imo

Since when did something a person had in their sig indicate anything other than something they like? You still have a FFXI sig, so I shouldn't expect you know how to enjoy a game. Do you even know what fun is? Of course, I'm just saying all of this because of your sig and avatar, I don't know you (or care to know you) so I'm just gonna assume shit about you.

Idiot.

Let's all judge and condemn a game before it's even out, that's really smart! When really, FFXIII is going to be nothing like KH2, FFvsXIII is. KH2 also had fantastic gameplay, it was the story that let it down.

GTFO, you know nothing.

FF franchise went bye bye when Squaresoft turned into Squeenix.

JUST MY OPINION OKAY?

Seriously? It's not like after the merger the Enix devs went to the Square devs and started shouted "LOOK GUYZ WE GONA CHANGE YOUR GAME LOLZ".

FF would have taken the same direction with or without the merger. Get over it already.

[Kiro]

ITT: Panties in a twist over someone's opinion.

O NOE FANBOYS

FF would have taken the same direction with or without the merger. Get over it already.

OMG HOW DO YOU KNOW CAN YOU TRAVEL THROUGH SPACE AND TIME?! @_@

[Elcura]

OMG HOW DO YOU KNOW CAN YOU TRAVEL THROUGH SPACE AND TIME?! @_@

Yes.

[Max™]

ITT: Panties in a twist over someone's opinion.

O NOE FANBOYS

FF would have taken the same direction with or without the merger. Get over it already.

OMG HOW DO YOU KNOW CAN YOU TRAVEL THROUGH SPACE AND TIME?! @_@

It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the riiiight.

Really though, while confined to a timelike path, I am definitely traversing different spacetime coordinates than I was an instant ago.

[jiang]

That screenshot still doesn't make sense in terms of how the gameplay is supposed to be... can't they just show us a fucking video?

It's a JRPG, I hope you aren't expecting anything more engaging than selecting a menu over and over again.

Your ignorance is showing.

you probably wouldnt get more of an argument than that from someone with all that kingdom hearts shit in their avatar/sig

and yes, FFXIII looks like its going down the road of advent children/kingdom hearts 2. ugh. needs more zippers and belts imo

Since when did something a person had in their sig indicate anything other than something they like? You still have a FFXI sig, so I shouldn't expect you know how to enjoy a game. Do you even know what fun is? Of course, I'm just saying all of this because of your sig and avatar, I don't know you (or care to know you) so I'm just gonna assume shit about you.

Idiot.

Let's all judge and condemn a game before it's even out, that's really smart! When really, FFXIII is going to be nothing like KH2, FFvsXIII is. KH2 also had fantastic gameplay, it was the story that let it down.

GTFO, you know nothing.

KH2 was fucking drivel and to have it in your avatar and/or sig indicates that you enjoy said drivel, unless of course its there for satirical purposes, then i would humbly apologize. i still have an FFXI sig because im too lazy to change it.

the problem with KH2 wasn't the story; it's been expected of square for about about half a decade now take one of their decent franchises and turn the story into an explosion of gender androgyny, angst, bad hair cuts, over the top nonsensical fight scenes and just plain out stupidity (ie: dirge of cerberus and advent children and the to be seen FFXIII). what was wrong with KH2 was that it wasn't challenging or fun. the gameplay didnt require any strategy unlike its predecessor and it didn't have nearly as much involvement. in KH1 you actually needed to use your spells sometimes because they helped, in KH2 they're just an after thought that look kind of cool. granted i didn't try any of the boss battles in KH2 (but who'd want to after playing that piece of shit), and i never quite understood the mindfuck of the form changing (but i did use them because you like, needed to), so maybe im missing something here. however the main part of the game should give you a sense of accomplishment after completing it... i felt none because how fucking stupid and easy it was. some may say that the wii introduced a proverbial jack off tool, but kh2 was ahead of its time with its introduction of the revolutionary jamming of the triangle key to defeat the "nobodies" (what the shit?) by doing a special attack (cool concept, fucking terrible execution) with no repercussions for doing it off sync (the ONLY challenging one was the samurai one, but even that was fucking easy), or one of the last RETARDED boss fights where sora/rikku and whoever the fuck the end boss was (i still dont understand wtf was going on in that game) had you jamming 2 buttons at the same time for about a minute to deflect lazer bolts.

UGH IT MAKES ME ANGRY THINKING ABOUT IT

i, however, loved kingdom hearts 1. the story was at least followable (although still cryptic and rather nonsensical) and the sephiroth fight was probably some of the most fun i've had in a game, and finally defeating him was really great.


maybe i jumped the shark by dissing FFXIII, but hasn't square enix jumped the shark enough for all of us?

[SupHammer]

What worries me is the rapidly closing gap between the look of men and women as the game grows into the teens.

Yeah. I actually assumed the person in the picture was a guy until I looked again and saw what appeared to be sideboob. But I'm still not sure.

wait... so that's not Yuna in the pic? This is gonna be another spinoff is it?

[Mysterio]

That screenshot still doesn't make sense in terms of how the gameplay is supposed to be... can't they just show us a fucking video?

Original trailer had gameplay footage.

Not very descriptive footage but it showed a combat sequence played out.

You queue up a combination of moves that play out with the press of a button each time, like White Knight Story.

[Correction]

FFXI was ahead of its time with its introduction of the revolutionary jamming of the lullaby macro to pull the "Sea Puks" etc. etc.

You complain a lot for a guy who plays BRD in FFXI. I could rewrite your sentence to fit any RPG game ever made. If you want to play a fun RPG with fresh design and a good script you could do a lot worse than the Kingdom Hearts games.

[Elcura]

KH2 was fucking drivel and to have it in your avatar and/or sig indicates that you enjoy said drivel, unless of course its there for satirical purposes, then i would humbly apologize. i still have an FFXI sig because im too lazy to change it.

KH2 stuff is in my sig for the exact reasons FFXI is still in yours. If I could be bothered to make a new sig/avatar then I would but frankly who gives a shit?

the gameplay didnt require any strategy unlike its predecessor and it didn't have nearly as much involvement. in KH1 you actually needed to use your spells sometimes because they helped, in KH2 they're just an after thought that look kind of cool.

KH2 is the exact same thing, you needed to heal at the right times and actually have the skill to survive until your magic recharged. KH1 was easy in the sense that you could just spam Aeroga/Curaga like 10-15 times before running low on MP and pop an Ether or Elixer and go at it again. That sucked out all the difficulty out of the game. What's stratigical about that? Nothing what so ever. KH2 is kinda the same, but in FM+ you needed to know when to use magic, what to use and why you're using it.

The amount of involvement is the same in both games. Do you even know why KH2 was fun to play? Or was my statement about you earlier right?

granted i didn't try any of the boss battles in KH2 (but who'd want to after playing that piece of shit), and i never quite understood the mindfuck of the form changing (but i did use them because you like, needed to), so maybe im missing something here.

You are judging a game you clearly haven't even given a chance to a game not even out yet. That's a smart move.

however the main part of the game should give you a sense of accomplishment after completing it... i felt none because how fucking stupid and easy it was. some may say that the wii introduced a proverbial jack off tool, but kh2 was ahead of its time with its introduction of the revolutionary jamming of the triangle key to defeat the "nobodies" (what the shit?) by doing a special attack (cool concept, fucking terrible execution) with no repercussions for doing it off sync (the ONLY challenging one was the samurai one, but even that was fucking easy), or one of the last RETARDED boss fights where sora/rikku and whoever the fuck the end boss was (i still dont understand wtf was going on in that game) had you jamming 2 buttons at the same time for about a minute to deflect lazer bolts.

Yeah, it was easy but fun. KH1 was the same for me, I felt no challenge from it at all but I still loved it when it ended. The only reason KH2 didn't do the same was because the story was mostly a huge let down. To me it just sounds like you have some irrational hate for KH2. I honestly don't understand why you hate it when the things you say are laid out so haphazardly.

i, however, loved kingdom hearts 1. the story was at least followable (although still cryptic and rather nonsensical) and the sephiroth fight was probably some of the most fun i've had in a game, and finally defeating him was really great.

I don't get you. I said the story was the key thing that made KH2 average, KH1 was great because of the concept and execution. The exploration and combat mechanics weren't all that great but the concept, characters and story made it a fantastic experience I won't soon forget. KH2 is the exact opposite, great combat/exploration mechanics that are the most fun you could have for an action RPG but crap addon characters and story (filler lol).

Sephiroth fight in both KH games play out the same, he kicks your ass until you learn his attacks then you kick his ass. Both fights are beyond easy once you get to know them. FM had some extra challenges that were still overall easy (lolPhantom) and some that were actually fun (Kurt Zisa and Xenmas) whereas FM+ had a lot more content that made the game even more amazing (extra difficulty, new attacks, new drive form, a shitton more bosses that are actually hard).

maybe i jumped the shark by dissing FFXIII, but hasn't square enix jumped the shark enough for all of us?

Deadhorse etc etc change is good etc etc. I've said these things so many times I honestly can't be bothered to do so again.

[Zarath]

Eh I'm not one to condemn ff13 just yet, too many unknowns and the whole dissing every FF since 7 seems to be getting popular, unlike those of us who has been like this for a very long time -_-. Anyways too early to tell, a lot can happen in a year or two, and I'm not one to judge a game till I play it. Hype, dissing and what not is over rated once you realize, it's all up to the eye of the beholder.

And how can you not like KH2's battle system and like KH1's o_O it doesn't make much sense. KH1 has little to none of the reasons you state in the end, I hardly found it challenging, there was little strategy needed, and I didn't feel that involved with it. I enjoyed it more than KH2, obviously who wouldn't, but to consider it so different to KH1 is kinda living in a fantasy world. KH2 was KH1 with more bells and whistles but with bad execution really.

[Septimus]

On a side note, how do I go about spreading the word that the usage of the phrase "jump the shark" has jumped the shark?

[Mysterio]

I'm looking forward to all of the hypocrites who are dissing FF13 who will be suddenly jumping ship and praising it after it comes out.

even if that's in 2010, regardless.

[Selamis]

IF I WANTED YOUR OPINION I'D GIVE IT TO YOU.

Don't really see how that weapon is that much more ridiculous than the gun-blade of FF8, just in much higher definition.

Yes and let's review the general response to mostly everything in FF8...

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It sucked, easily the worst game in the entire series. ::Insert dead horse being beaten picture here.::

[Exoduso]

KH2 has one of the better battle systems out of any game i've ever played. If you think it was repetitive or drivel then you have no clue wtf you're talking about, especially if you think it's because of the Disney characters involved, then you're REALLY ignorant because you probably haven't even beaten the game to know it's not about Disney at all.

Whatever though, we argued about this shit enough on the KH2: FM thread 6 months ago or so... not gonna bring that discussion again.

FF13 will be awesome, etc. etc. next-gen gunblade is great stop hating etc. etc.



edit: and people that say ff8 sucks are generally ff7 fans that were pissed Cloud didn't make an encore appearance. So yeah it had a love story, who the fuck cares? I thought it was pretty fun. (FF9 is still my favorite PSX FF, the hating and flaming can now ensue.)

[Kiro]

I never played FF9, lawl. I felt kinda bad about it, so I figured I'd give FFX-2 a chance.


HAHAH YEAH FUCK GIVING CHANCES. I turned the game off during the opening intro and returned it. :<

[Exoduso]

WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU!?!?!

>.< FFX-2 actually had a fun battle system. Sucks that they stuck it with such a crappy storyline.

[Kiro]

TURNING MY SWEET YUNA INTO A WHORE.

FUCK THAT SHIT MAN, FUCK THAT.

EVEN RIKKU WASN'T SAFE FROM THE WHORE TRANSFORMATION.


FUCK YOU JAPAN YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS A FAD. A FAAAAD.

P.S. your national hair color is black. Not some weird dull orange color.