Shark vs Bear survival discussion thread

[evilbau]

i thought this graph was particularly telling:

http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/br...r_injuries.gif

so for the most part you get away or you die lol

[Edrick]

i thought this graph was particularly telling:

http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/br...r_injuries.gif

so for the most part you get away or you die lol

Is this bear attacks?

[Mysterio]

As mentioned before, bears can not run that fast. and bears are not aggressive unless they're starving or feeling threatened. I've been within 20 feet of several black bears (I go hunting) and more often than not they're more afraid of you. Throw a rock at a bear to scare it away, provided it's not feeding on a kill or something.

And then again the shark will only be really aggressive if you're bleeding.

[evilbau]

i thought this graph was particularly telling:

graph

so for the most part you get away or you die lol

Is this bear attacks?

yes, bear attacks in alaska

[Ishido]

I would go with the Bear, I'm much more confident in my sprinting abilities than my swimming/running through low water ability.

If this was on wow boards I would say change to dire bear form and fucking mangle the bear!

[Quixon]

And then again the shark will only be really aggressive if you're bleeding.

Sharks are aggressive for a lot of reasons. Blood only makes them MORE aggressive.


Low visibility/merky water and looking like a prey item are the main things that contribute to shark attacks. 9/10 times once the shark bites you once or twice it leaves you alone. Sharks only method of testing whether something is food or not is to taste it.

With regards to the bear attacks. I would suspect a majority of those are the bear defending its self/young/meal, which is why the Bear attacks are a lot more violent.

In relation to both animals the worst thing to do is turn and run. Again that just mimics a prey/submissive response that just sets the animal off even worse.

[Max™]

Only run if you have immediate escape available, or someone you're sure you can outrun, like a Paladin without Wlegs.

Bear attacks in Alaska is just part of the story, theres also Canada, the American midwest, what have you, and we have smaller bears here, more likely to attack, but less likely to kill.

The difference between a full size kodiak and a 400 pound american bear is dramatic.

The one in the back is a extinct species, then Kodiak > Grizzly > Black I believe.

As This site says, bears aren't too hard to spook.

Also, http://www.oversizeoutfitters.com/tr...ges/TedPaw.jpg

HOLY CARP KODIAKS ARE BIG!

[Tyche]

That bear "expert" is full of shit. 100 yards in 3 sec? That's a ~54 second mile. No way a bear could run that fast.

According to that supposed "expert" a bear can run over 60mph. A quick look around wiki says the average speed of a bear is about 30mph, which isn't a whole lot faster than the average human speed.

The world record holder in the 100 meter dash had a speed just a hair under 30mph, and he did it in 9.74 seconds. So it would take a bear approximately 19 seconds to cover 200 meters, which should be more than enough for the average human to make it to the cabin. I'll definitely take my chances with the bear.

Btw all this info was taken from a few simple wiki searches

Only problem is the average football player runs a 4.4-4.6 in a 40 yard sprint. Let's say it takes 5-7 seconds for that of an average "fit" person. In the 12-14 seconds that it takes you to get within 20 yards of the cabin, the bear is right behind you.

You can't compare it to 40 sprint times because the 40yard sprint isn't about ceiling speed, it's about acceleration. It appears the quoted bear stats are burst speeds, not including acceleration. So we'd have to know how fast a bear can hit it's speed ceiling. Ill take the bear, as I can't envision a bear accelerating and running twice as fast as I.

[Kais]

Bear because I can't fucking swim

[Max™]

That bear "expert" is full of shit. 100 yards in 3 sec? That's a ~54 second mile. No way a bear could run that fast.

According to that supposed "expert" a bear can run over 60mph. A quick look around wiki says the average speed of a bear is about 30mph, which isn't a whole lot faster than the average human speed.

The world record holder in the 100 meter dash had a speed just a hair under 30mph, and he did it in 9.74 seconds. So it would take a bear approximately 19 seconds to cover 200 meters, which should be more than enough for the average human to make it to the cabin. I'll definitely take my chances with the bear.

Btw all this info was taken from a few simple wiki searches

Only problem is the average football player runs a 4.4-4.6 in a 40 yard sprint. Let's say it takes 5-7 seconds for that of an average "fit" person. In the 12-14 seconds that it takes you to get within 20 yards of the cabin, the bear is right behind you.

You can't compare it to 40 sprint times because the 40yard sprint isn't about ceiling speed, it's about acceleration. It appears the quoted bear stats are burst speeds, not including acceleration. So we'd have to know how fast a bear can hit it's speed ceiling. Ill take the bear, as I can't envision a bear accelerating and running twice as fast as I.

Fast Forward to about 2:30 I think. That's pretty fuckin fast, and that's charging through water too...

[finale23]

That bear "expert" is full of shit. 100 yards in 3 sec? That's a ~54 second mile. No way a bear could run that fast.

According to that supposed "expert" a bear can run over 60mph. A quick look around wiki says the average speed of a bear is about 30mph, which isn't a whole lot faster than the average human speed.

The world record holder in the 100 meter dash had a speed just a hair under 30mph, and he did it in 9.74 seconds. So it would take a bear approximately 19 seconds to cover 200 meters, which should be more than enough for the average human to make it to the cabin. I'll definitely take my chances with the bear.

Btw all this info was taken from a few simple wiki searches

Only problem is the average football player runs a 4.4-4.6 in a 40 yard sprint. Let's say it takes 5-7 seconds for that of an average "fit" person. In the 12-14 seconds that it takes you to get within 20 yards of the cabin, the bear is right behind you.

You can't compare it to 40 sprint times because the 40yard sprint isn't about ceiling speed, it's about acceleration. It appears the quoted bear stats are burst speeds, not including acceleration. So we'd have to know how fast a bear can hit it's speed ceiling. Ill take the bear, as I can't envision a bear accelerating and running twice as fast as I.

Fast Forward to about 2:30 I think. That's pretty fuckin fast, and that's charging through water too...

the dude says the bear was 8 feet away, and it took the bear about 2 sec to reach across. so the bear moved about 4 feet per second, 200 yards = 600 feet would take the bear about 150 seconds. even if the bear moves 8feet per sec it still takes 75 sec, giving you more than one min to cover 100yards and get into the cabinet.

[Andarvi]

That bear "expert" is full of shit. 100 yards in 3 sec? That's a ~54 second mile. No way a bear could run that fast.

According to that supposed "expert" a bear can run over 60mph. A quick look around wiki says the average speed of a bear is about 30mph, which isn't a whole lot faster than the average human speed.

The world record holder in the 100 meter dash had a speed just a hair under 30mph, and he did it in 9.74 seconds. So it would take a bear approximately 19 seconds to cover 200 meters, which should be more than enough for the average human to make it to the cabin. I'll definitely take my chances with the bear.

Btw all this info was taken from a few simple wiki searches

Only problem is the average football player runs a 4.4-4.6 in a 40 yard sprint. Let's say it takes 5-7 seconds for that of an average "fit" person. In the 12-14 seconds that it takes you to get within 20 yards of the cabin, the bear is right behind you.

You can't compare it to 40 sprint times because the 40yard sprint isn't about ceiling speed, it's about acceleration. It appears the quoted bear stats are burst speeds, not including acceleration. So we'd have to know how fast a bear can hit it's speed ceiling. Ill take the bear, as I can't envision a bear accelerating and running twice as fast as I.

Fast Forward to about 2:30 I think. That's pretty fuckin fast, and that's charging through water too...

I admire the guy for just scaring the bear away rather than killing it. You want to be a hunter, fine, but leave bears alone. We have already destroyed populations of them all over North America, there is no justification for killing a bear just to skin it and use it as a rug/make a bust out of it. You aren't a tough guy because you take a picture of yourself holding up a massive bear's claw that you snuck on and shot from a distance.

[Jefe]

the dude says the bear was 8 feet away, and it took the bear about 2 sec to reach across. so the bear moved about 4 feet per second, 200 yards = 600 feet would take the bear about 150 seconds. even if the bear moves 8feet per sec it still takes 75 sec, giving you more than one min to cover 100yards and get into the cabinet.

Unless the individual is obese/fat, then they are fucked in both scenarios ;o Well, at least both beasts would have a feast lol. Another reason to stay in shape; TO OUTRUN KILLER BEARS AND HUNGRY SHARKS!

[Khamsin]

I admire the guy for just scaring the bear away rather than killing it. You want to be a hunter, fine, but leave bears alone. We have already destroyed populations of them all over North America, there is no justification for killing a bear just to skin it and use it as a rug/make a bust out of it. You aren't a tough guy because you take a picture of yourself holding up a massive bear's claw that you snuck on and shot from a distance.

What about that old Canadian man who killed a bear with a pocket knife? Is that tough?

As for the speed issue, however fast the bear runs, you only have to be at least half as fast. So as long as you're confident you can run faster than half the bear's speed, you could get away from the bear.

[Enkidu]

Grizzlies can run 35mph full speed according to some things I've found. Acceleration time is not really worth factoring in since it's probably about the same for bears and humans time wise. Doubt most humans can run 17-18mph, though it's possible I guess. I mean olympic sprinters can go about 25mph, but that's obviously an exception.

Defending yourself against the shark might be easier, but honestly when you're at the point of defending yourself, you are no longer moving and thus are going to die. Guess it depends on how hungry/angry the shark is though. With the bear it doesn't matter. They have a pretty much one-track mind when something is running from them and they're hungry/angry. I mean sharks are known to give up easily, bears usually don't give up even after being shot multiple times.

As for the ratio of bear attacks to survival, I'd bet 95% of the people who survived an attack had a weapon or were very close to safety. While it's true that the vast majority of time the bear is more scared of you, when it isn't... you're in some deep trouble.

[Blarg]

Without trying to over analyze this and only taking it as both you and the bear/shark starting from rest and then full out sprinting, you trying to reach safety and the bear/shark trying to reach you, I would rather go up against the bear. The way I see it water is sharks territory so it will travel at its natural top speed and you will not swimming in the water. On land you and the bear can both travel your normal top speed and therefore you have a better chance.

If you add in all the trees and dodging associated with a forest I feel that I could fit through smaller gaps in the trees and weave through the trees in a smoother fashion than a larger heavier animal could so I think I would get to safety easier. I am pretty confident with my running, balance, and acceleration so bear all the way.

[Max™]

Open Field, no trees.

I'd still rather stand my ground than run from an animal, we aren't fast things, but we can sure the fuck act cocky and insane.

Works for the wolverine.

[Khamsin]

Come to think of it, after considering various other mammals out there, pretty much anything half our size or bigger would kick a naked human's butt if it wanted to. Granted, we can punch or kick strategically to chase something off, play dead, or run, but we don't really have any natural ability to defend ourselves against a determined attacker, or prey upon anything bigger than a rabbit. Humans are like the weakest mammals for our size, ever. It's a bit unfair that every other mammal of respectable size has teeth and claws and rippling muscles without even trying, and humans (naked and natural) have nothing. Plus, if that wasn't enough, their immune systems are much better than ours. When's the last time you saw another mammal wash their paws with soap and water, or cook their food?

Of course, we have to make up for these shortcomings by wearing clothes, using tools, washing our hands and cooking our food, which puts us on top of the food chain, but in an all natural state, naked in the wild, we've got nothing.

[Max™]

I'm a physically fit 5'9" 160 pound male, I'm quick and have good reflexes, I am a dangerous animal, and I can tell by the reactions of wild animals that I carry myself as one, including dogs, coyotes, deer, and the like.

We are often soft and sedentary, but when you are fighting for survival, fingers, heels, knuckles, knees, and elbows are nasty bony things, and we have sharp teeth.

Plus, I can make sharpened sticks and bone or stone knives.

Don't take us for .

[Vistani]

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