Campaign Battle, EXP & AN Earned

[Jayd]

Please read Campaign Points for a summary of this thread.


Last night I received my first star medal and proceeded to a Campaign Battle in East Ronfaure. No mobs nor NPCs were present yet so I did 4 very limited tests. If you've done anything similar please post your findings below, and maybe we can all improve our EXP and AN earned during battles.

After grabbing my tags I proceeded to cast 1 single spell, hit the clock command as soon as it was finished casting then waited approx 70 seconds and got assessed, then asked for new tags. Keep in mind this is very limited and am hoping others can contribute. I stopped testing after the mobs showed up.

Misc. Info
Allied Nation: San d'Oria (6 zones under control)
Campaign Battle: East Ronfaure (San d'Oria has control)
Medal: First Star
Job: RDM/WHM, level 72
Campaign status: Music started no NPCs or mobs present yet

Spell Casted: Reraise
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Spell Casted: Stoneskin
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Spell Casted: Haste (on self)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Spell Casted: Protect IV (on self)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

From that I see a trend but 4 little tests really don't mean a whole lot. If you have info, please make sure to post which medal you have, which area, who you are allied with and who controls the area in question, as well as any other info you feel is relevant.

More Info:
Misc Info
Allied Nation: San d'Oria (6 zones under control)
Campaign Battle: Jugnar Forest (San d'Oria has control)
Medal: First Star
Job: RDM/WHM, level 72
Campaign status: Music started no NPCs or mobs present yet

Spell Casted: Protect IV (on self)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Spell Casted: Protect IV (on non pt member from Bastok)
Earned: 10 EXP and 5 AN

Spell Casted: Protect IV (on non pt member from San d'Oria)
Earned: 10 EXP and 5 AN

Spell Casted: Ice Spikes
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Misc Info
Allied Nation: San d'Oria (6 zones under control)
Campaign Battle: Jugnar Forest (San d'Oria has control)
Medal: First Star
Job: RDM/WHM, level 72
Campaign status: Battle Started

Spell Casted: Gravity (landed)
Earned: 15 EXP and 7 AN

Spell Casted: Raise I (on non pt member home nation San d'Oria)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Spell Casted: Protect IV (on non pt member San d'Oria Nation)
Earned: 10 EXP and 5 AN

[Malacite]

Now, assuming this holds up, that's completely retarded.

How about 100~200 per raise SE? And you earn less points for buffing others over yourself? Way to encourage selfish play styles.


Yet further proof that SE is run by a group of retarded monkeys. On second thought, I take that back. Wouldn't want to insult monkeys everywhere by associating them with the Dev team.

[BRP]

Now, assuming this holds up, that's completely retarded.

How about 100~200 per raise SE? And you earn less points for buffing others over yourself? Way to encourage selfish play styles.


Yet further proof that SE is run by a group of retarded monkeys. On second thought, I take that back. Wouldn't want to insult monkeys everywhere by associating them with the Dev team.

hahaha, you are so angry.


Should your level(under 75) be taken into consideration?


Hmmm, I've become curious if I should spend more time nuking(over curing), I might give it a test.

[Wizerd]

Allied Nation: Bastok (6 zones under control)
Campaign Battle: Jugnar Forest (San d'Oria has control)
Medal: Third Medal thingy ($$$)
Job: THF/NIN, level 75
Campaign status: Music started, NPCs and mobs present

Spell Cast: Utsusemi: Ni (on self)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Spell Cast: Utsusemi: Ichi (on self)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Ability Used: Flee (on self)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Ability Used: Hide (on self)
Earned: 0 EXP and 0 AN


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North Gustaberg, everything as expected.
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Utsusemi: Ichi > Utsusemi: Ni
Total Tag duration about 70 seconds.
40 EXP and 20 AN.

Utsusemi: Ichi > Utsusemi: Ni > Flee
Total Tag duration about 70 seconds.
60 EXP and 30 AN.

Ability Used: Sneak Attack (on self)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Ability Used: Trick Attack (on self)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Sneak Attack > Trick Attack > Utsusemi: Ichi > Utsusemi: Ni
Total Tag duration about 70 seconds.
60 EXP and 40 AN. <- Suggests a cap of 60 EXP per 60 seconds for the rank I'm at.

[Ashira]

What about buffs on NPCs... the peons vs those with names etc? That'd be interesting to see...

[Jayd]

Malacite, I kinda intended this to help people improve their exp/an, not to turn into a flame. Such a small number of tests shouldn't cause anyone to jump to any conclusions. For all we know EXP/AN could be different for buffs casted on pt members, or as someone else pointed out, the different 'ranks' of NPCs.

BRP, I thought that possibly level could be a factor, simply based on the amount of complaints SE has received over low level players 'stealing' a spot in Besieged. I could be be wrong but I think protect I has a high chance of giving 20EXP and 10 AN, if any low low level players want to test it?

Wizard, what you did there at the end is interesting, capping the EXP earned based on your rank. I also tried this, I didn't time nor test all the spells I used individually so I kept the results out. But for inquiring minds:

Zone: Jugnar, same conditions as above (except for time limit ???):

Spell Casted: Refresh, Haste, Stoneskin, Blink, Phalanx
Earned: 65 EXP and 50 AN

Spell Casted: Ice Spikes, Enblizzard, Cure III (for 111 HP, guy was weakened), Refresh (self), Haste (self)
Earned: 65 EXP and 45 AN

Spell Casted: Refresh (self), Haste (self), Pro IV (self), Shell IV (self), Stoneskin, Blink, Phalanx, Enblizzard, Barblindra (self only).
Earned: 65 EXP and 68 AN

Which suggests a cap of 65 EXP for First Star, and a cap of ??? for AN. From the first two tests this suggests that Enblizzard OR Cure III (on other) grants 5AN and 10 EXP. The last test to me says that maybe one of those spells got interrupted and that I need to double check lol.

Almost forgot:
Acton Performed: Ate a Coffeecake muffin
Earned: 0 EXP and 0 AN

[Tankjr]

Now, assuming this holds up, that's completely retarded.

How about 100~200 per raise SE? And you earn less points for buffing others over yourself? Way to encourage selfish play styles.


Yet further proof that SE is run by a group of retarded monkeys. On second thought, I take that back. Wouldn't want to insult monkeys everywhere by associating them with the Dev team.

I believe putting such a premium on Raise would have the same effect. What incentive is there to Cure when you can just Raise everyone and cap out?

[Thufir]

I thought it was shown that the durration of your tags affected the cap of how much xp/an you could get. Wouldnt getting tags > action > assessment in such a short time just hit the cap rather than prove how much each action is worth? Without knowing what the caps are for different time intervals, I think you'd need to ensure you're way past what it could possibly be, like casting 1 raise and waiting for the campaign to end. Then with knowing how much a raise is worth, you can use it in short periods of time to see what the caps are.

Or maybe I just need a suicidal friend so I can do it.

[Jayd]

For me I find it easiest to use the smallest time interval that grants rewards as a first step. As long as no single action exceeds 60 EXP (ribbons) we should be able to get fairly accurate results. It would be interesting to see how rewards change/stay the same with larger time intervals.

Allied Nation: San d'Oria (5 zones under control)
Campaign Battle: Jugnar Forest (San d'Oria has control)
Medal: First Star
Job: RDM/WHM, level 73
Campaign status: Music started, NPCs and mobs present
Test Durations: Approx 70 seconds

Casted Spell: Enblizzard
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Casted Spell: Barblind
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Casted Spell: Barblindra
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Casted Spell: Refresh (self), Haste (self), Pro IV (self), Shell IV (self), Stoneskin, Blink, Phalanx, Enblizzard, Barblindra (self only).
Duration of tags: approx. 70 seconds
Earned: 65 EXP and 68 AN (confirming) Maybe 68 AN is the cap for First Stars?

Allied Nation: San d'Oria (5 zones under control)
Campaign Battle: East Ronfaure (San d'Oria has control)
Medal: First Star
Job: RDM/WHM, level 73
Campaign status: Music started, NPCs present, mobs arrived during third test

Spell Casted: Barfira (self only)
Earned: 20 EXP and 10 AN

Spell Casted: Barfira x2 (self only)
Earned: 40 EXP and 20 AN

Spell Casted: Barfira x2 (self only)
Earned: 65 EXP and 40 AN
** While receiving assessment I got hit by Condemnation and took 404 damage

If more people contribute enough random tests I'll change the OP to keep everything in one place.

[Wizerd]

Instead of 68 AN being some kinda cap, it looks as though when you do an action to exceed the EXP's cap, but in AN, it goes over by 1, and then each action after that rewards you with 1 AN until the time interval is up. This would explain why some shorter Campaigns let you get slightly more AN than EXP, but longer ones are generally harder to do this in.

[Kyreth]

Is it just me, or does final AN reward tend to vary more on how much damage the place takes?

[Wizerd]

I just did 80 exp and 40 AN worth of stuff in the first 30 seconds, then waited 2 minutes total and wasn't capped at 60/40, so it's not really a "per-minute" cap so much as a cap based on the total time you've participated.

Edit: Interesting.. Perfect Dodge gave 0 exp after letting the tag duration exceed 60 seconds.

Edit2: 10 Actions all worth 20 EXP + 10 AN in a 60 EXP cap scenario yielded me 64 AN; 10 AN per action until the cap, plus 1 AN per action above the cap.

Edit3: Oh, and Tonko: Ni is worth 20 EXP + 10 AN, and by extension it can be assumed that Ichi does the same thing (based on Utsusemi).

Edit4: Damage testing is annoying when people don't know how to tank and you pull hate from 4 normal hits on THF..

[neira]

OK, before you lol at me for suggesting this, has any one every tried NIN/BLM? Yes its expensive and yes its lolable. But in unresisted situations (wich seems to only be in sea[not nm's]) my NIN/BLM with :san spells is about 270-340dmg per spell, and since they are fast casting spells and each spell is xp/an if you can afford to mess with it, could be good right?

[loial]

Jayd, what about casting Utsusemi: Ichi -> Utsusemi: Ichi or Haste -> Haste or overwriting any buff with itself without clicking it off. Does that register as an extra "action taken"?

[Wizerd]

Jayd, what about casting Utsusemi: Ichi -> Utsusemi: Ichi or Haste -> Haste or overwriting any buff with itself without clicking it off. Does that register as an extra "action taken"?

I highly doubt the game cares if a self-buff overwrites itself or not. The fact that it has an effect pretty much confirms that it'll work. (I cast Utsusemi: Ichi > Ni a few times without clicking Ichi off first and I got points for Ni, same idea)

I'd be interested to know whether casting Ni > Ichi or double Stoneskin would still give you points, even though the spell had no effect.

[loial]

Also, I wonder if things like resists or "has no effect" (think dispel/finale) yields any points.

Reason I asked about overwriting buffs is that if you get 20 points for buffing yourself and 10 points for buffing someone other than yourself, I could see COR, BRD, WHM... actually anybody /WHM as well racking up points just by spamming Protectra, COR rolls, BRD songs on a party of 6 people (or even only a party of 3). If you can overwrite buffs and still get points, anybody that can cast group buffs would do rather well, points-wise.

[Malacite]

Simple, make the death penalty in campaign suck.

E.g. you get pwned (for whatever reason) and 50-150 (anymore than that would be way too harsh) goes out the window, and whomever raises you gets it.

It's not so much that I want to flame SE (stupid as they are at times) but more to get people noticing just how shafted anything other than DD is. Dealing damage should be the least rewarding (in terms of EXP per hit and/or dmg dealt) since it's pretty simple to just start wailing away and then lolwtfWS the mob for big damage.

Not that it's that much harder to buff and cure/raise people, but getting people to do anything but engage the mob and whack away is like pulling teeth.

[Yuri-G]

Also, I wonder if things like resists or "has no effect" (think dispel/finale) yields any points.

Reason I asked about overwriting buffs is that if you get 20 points for buffing yourself and 10 points for buffing someone other than yourself, I could see COR, BRD, WHM... actually anybody /WHM as well racking up points just by spamming Protectra, COR rolls, BRD songs on a party of 6 people (or even only a party of 3). If you can overwrite buffs and still get points, anybody that can cast group buffs would do rather well, points-wise.

Works better with plain ol' Barspells. On RDM, I can basically cast them as fast as my MP comes back to me. Bar-elements are 6 MP each, sweet deal for 20 AN if that's truly how it works.

[Jayd]

I tried 2 minutes of doing nothing but spamming barspells. I cycled through 3 of em, and I did hit the cap for the 2 minutes. Was boring but it did work. And yes overwriting spells casted still counts as an action.

I tested out the 'EXP cap' a little. I used 5 buff spells within the first minute of receiving tags, worth 20EXP and 10AN each, let the tags run for about 2 minutes and that gave 100 EXP and 50 AN. That would have capped at 65 EXP and 50 AN had I let the tags run for only 1 minute. As expected per Wizerds post, EXP gained has a 'roll over' effect. I also casted Refresh, and let 3 minutes pass to see if the initial 20 EXP and 10 AN would increase, it did not.

So what is the cap per minute? This is what I found out so far:

For First Star: (in Jugnar, owned by Sandy)
1st minute: 65 EXP
2nd minute: 135 EXP
3rd minute: 200 EXP
4th minute: 270 EXP

So, as time passes you do get little bonuses added to the cap. I'll try to hit the cap for more intervals.

Action performed: Getting hit by Battle Dance, receiving DEX down (I took 68 damage)
Earned: 5 EXP and 3 AN

[Max™]

I really don't believe DDing is all it's made out to be in campaign.

Besides being at the whims of the people around you for survival all too often, theres the simple observation that I never could compare to the Exp that Pld's got, taking a beating and curing it...

Then I went War/Dnc to campaign, tanked, soloed things, beat them to death incidentally, and spam spam spammity spam spammed JA's with the constant curing waltzes and whatnot, and lo and behold, gobs and gobs of exp rolled in.

The more that I've done (and I've done a lot, I'd have 140-150k AN, if I hadn't been cashing it in for gear to sell) the more it looks like in a fairly long duration Campaign, it is nearly impossible to cap Exp doing one thing.

On the other hand, the way that I've been doing it lately, I notice it seems like I get neatly thirded Exp rewards, and the longest fights give the feel of 1000+1000+1000, Damage Dealt/Taken/Cured.

Shame you aren't on Carby, I'd tank for you to do some exact damage testing, I'm generally a bit too busy maintaining the balancing act of Wardancing to test as in depth as it would take.

Basically what I'm suggesting be tested is, I recall getting 900-1k A LOT when I was just DDing, and in busy fights where I could spam damage, but didn't take a lot of damage.

My Bst friend came Bst/Nin with me many times before the pet contribution was factored properly, I know that I easily blew him away in total damage done, but with his keeping Utsu up, and using pet commands, he would stay right near my exp total.

Be nice to have a campaign where the tags had a chance to get a nice unreachable cap, and then do just one thing, take damage and be cured by someone else, spam cure, and just do damage while taking little to none yourself.

As for a suggestion for where to do these tests? The dungeon zones, if you can pull a single mob off to the side in there, you'll generall have it to yourself as long as you want too.