FFXI Thinning Out?

[Kayos]

lol it's like you didn't even read my post. Good job backing up your argument, and completely missing mine. :ashira:

Your argument is easily missable due to the fact that it holds no relevance. We were discussing certain mini-games such as fish ranking, pankration, and chocobo racing. These mini-games are for the most part entirely abandonded. They fall under the category of at best a novelty and at worst a complete waste of time. Chocobo Hot & Cold doesn't fall under this category. Therefore making gil on a mini-game (that doesn't fall under the entire topic of discussion) and using it to buy a scorp harness IS irrelevant. Does this clear things up for you?

[The Q]

lol it's like you didn't even read my post. Good job backing up your argument, and completely missing mine. :ashira:

Your argument is easily missable due to the fact that it holds no relevance. We were discussing certain mini-games such as fish ranking, pankration, and chocobo racing. These mini-games are for the most part entirely abandonded. They fall under the category of at best a novelty and at worst a complete waste of time. Chocobo Hot & Cold doesn't fall under this category. Therefore making gil on a mini-game (that doesn't fall under the entire topic of discussion) and using it to buy a scorp harness IS irrelevant. Does this clear things up for you?

Yeah. It's clear that now you are backpeddling and your entire argument was based around insults.

[Kayos]

Yeah. It's clear that now you are backpeddling and your entire argument was based around insults.

I am so sorry I hurt your feelings.

[Jerseyprophet]

Edit: I made a wrong accusation because I didn't read the posts clearly enough. I apologize to Kayos.







Now, this opinion regarding gil making in FFXI stands - aside from my previous post to Kayos



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Go chocobo race brother, if it makes you happy. I can't smile when SE insults me with the next stupid pokemon japanese bullshit "addition" to the game like that.


And to you, Q, don't feel too frustrated with it all. Gil IS hard to raise and SE designed it that way. People love to argue it when I say it, but that doesn't mean they believe otherwise -- the majority of the FFXI population bought gil. With the "dealings" of the gil sellers players had a wealth established already through other gear assets. I've played for three years and I can count on my right hand how many players I ever saw continually farming tree cuttings, growing ores and crafting +1's for farming methods. I was one of them, and I was fucking broke as shit. The only 2 types of rich players were people who got shit through being in a LS that shared (or the egirlfriend of a rich LS member/leader), and people who bought gil.


Im sorry. You wont convince me otherwise. 3 years, I wasn't born yesterday. It's not hard to spot skill. They were rare ex gear that takes time and skill to earn - and +1's of abjur. etc -- and have a means of getting it (a good LS). If I /checked a BG member back in the day when it was the for real BG before they all split and left for wow, I'd expect and DID see good gear and I knew why.

Then there were players in the pure +1 Auction housed gear like SH +1 when the SH non quality was 6 fuckin mil itself, and they had no fucking clue how to farm if you asked them.


Of course, I'm an old schooler. Haven't played in what, a year, a year and a half? Who knows whats changed these days.

Amazing though that if I was a betting man, Id bet my money not too many players would suggest too many new farming "methods" today if you asked

[Lucavi]

Something tells me they didn't know or care, not that they wanted to see us hurt. But then again, SE as a calculating evil corporation is becoming a popular ideology. At least them being stupid makes more sense.

I never said they were some evil mastermind. They're too stupid for that -- the only thing they're smart for is figuring out ways to keep people like me (who have but a sliver of attachments left to this game) paying a monthly fee to sit around, staring at a spinning .dat file. What they are, however, is so egomanicial that they believe that anything and everything that they put out is the best thing since sliced bread.

And here we go, waiting 20 minutes for the next campaign, and then another 15 for the mobs to show up. You just can't do anything in this game for all of 15 minutes and feel accomplished, outside of gardening.

[BRP]

What they are, however, is so egomanicial that they believe that anything and everything that they put out is the best thing since sliced bread.

Umm... hmmmm. I don't think so?

[Kayos]

For about two pages. The thread was discussing FFXI thinning out and players leaving for wow, which branced into why FFXI players that did would consider it a better game - then more ffxi v. wow, as well as just general problems with FFXI.

Farming and gil was one of the reasons. He was on point with simply stating his opinion on it being an unfair effort he felt was taking away from time playing.
Does this clear things up for you?

You sure you read the same post I was replying to?
I am not trying to start an argument with you also, I just think you may have missed the post I was responding to.
Let me repost it:

Stopped taking you serious right there.

It's funny that you complain about how long it takes/hard it is to make money, and yet in the same argument complain about how "useless" stuff such as fish ranking and chocobo racing are. You whine and whine about all the "useless" min-game non-level-grinding, non-HNM-camping activities. Meanwhile, using just SOME of these "useless" side-activities, chocobo related in particular, I went and bought a scorpion harness when I needed one no sweat. I had more than enough money. Not through farming, not through camping, not through any other time and labor intensive shit. I did it all through "useless" side activities.

Just because you don't participate, and just because YOU think it's stupid doesn't mean you are right.

Just because it's not XP/Merits, or HNM doesn't mean it's "useless."

He was on point with simply stating his opinion on it being an unfair effort he felt was taking away from time playing

Nope nothing about that.

[Lucavi]

And your evidence to the contrary is..? I don't see SE constantly adjusting things unless they actually don't work, such as how campaign was legitimately screwed up. Other than that, well, "take a number, have a seat, and we'll get back to you in 3 years" is their motto.

[Jerseyprophet]

I went back over the thread, and not only confused 2 conversations with yours but I got the person who said it mixed up.


I stand corrected, and sincerely apologize. I was incorrect and will edit my post.


Fuckin vodka =) Hey, it's 5 o clock >.>

[Kayos]

Fuckin vodka =) Hey, it's 5 o clock >.>

God I wish.

[Kenji]

Seems like the discussion angle, between players and devs, is the bigger issue. I did some searching around, and apparently on the http://www.ffxionline forums, you can submit questions, which will be relayed to SE. Anyone know how effective this? Do they actually get passed along and answered?

[Jerseyprophet]

It's 5o somewhere 8) But before you drink and post (as I do constantly) - take this advice man, *shhh, come close....* some of these chicks are really dudes. Just looking out for you.


Sorry for the derail. Sonomaa castrates you for derails.

[The Q]

Jersey I'm a little confused on what you were trying to say to me. Is it good or bad or am I being called a gilbuyer or something?

[Jerseyprophet]

I dont even know what Im friggin sayin anymore lol. Im gonna get the popcorn and just read.

I was bitching about FFXI's gil making method and it's unholy suckness.

[BRP]

And your evidence to the contrary is..? I don't see SE constantly adjusting things unless they actually don't work, such as how campaign was legitimately screwed up. Other than that, well, "take a number, have a seat, and we'll get back to you in 3 years" is their motto.

I don't think the burden of proof falls on me. They have adjusted things that "work", for example Salvage. Your statement might have made sense in CoP where there seemed to be no contact between players and developers, but after ToAU holds no ground. There isn't a single issue they haven't touched on, even if their effort wasn't potent enough(Einherjar not replacing kings being an example). Whether it was 2-handers, CoP missions, Sea, additional changes to Salvage and Einherjar, or PLD, SE has been making changes on the content you claimed they think is perfect and won't change. The fact they are attempting to make alternate sub through SAM and DNC rather than nerf /NIN is just another indication their ears are not completely clogged. I'd say stupidity is more likely reason for their mess ups than vindictiveness or egotism.

[SenethSomed]

Calling bs on the "I bought a Scorp Harness through Chocobo Racing."

What's so hard to believe about this? You can win 45k from a C2 race once every 24 hours. C2 can be won by a normally raised bird, as long as it has appropriate skills and it's given the right stats. (By normally raised I mean you don't need to have the stat upgrades bought with chocobucks.) How much is SH now, 200k?

I'm not saying that chocoracing is a great source of money, since there's always luck involved, and from what I can tell most serious racers stick to C2 most of the time and they'll beat anyone who hasn't spent 5000 chocobucks on upgrades, but it's a source of money nonetheless. Certainly enough for a damn SH.

[Septimus]

If I /checked a BG member back in the day when it was the for real BG before they all split and left for wow, I'd expect and DID see good gear and I knew why.

Go fuck yourself. BG is a better linkshell now then before those cockjockeys left for WoW.

BTW, sashay on over to their website and ask them how WoW is treating them...

[Rags]

And your evidence to the contrary is..? I don't see SE constantly adjusting things unless they actually don't work, such as how campaign was legitimately screwed up. Other than that, well, "take a number, have a seat, and we'll get back to you in 3 years" is their motto.

I don't think the burden of proof falls on me. They have adjusted things that "work", for example Salvage. Your statement might have made sense in CoP where there seemed to be no contact between players and developers, but after ToAU holds no ground. There isn't a single issue they haven't touched on, even if their effort wasn't potent enough(Einherjar not replacing kings being an example). Whether it was 2-handers, CoP missions, Sea, additional changes to Salvage and Einherjar, or PLD, SE has been making changes on the content you claimed they think is perfect and won't change. The fact they are attempting to make alternate sub through SAM and DNC rather than nerf /NIN is just another indication their ears are not completely clogged. I'd say stupidity is more likely reason for their mess ups than vindictiveness or egotism.

This is true they have touched on certain issues. Then again its taken them way to long to make adjustments. Bst waited over 2 years for something that was introduced to the Dev team days after the MPK patch. S.E waited years to address RMT issues, claim stealing. Hell 2 handed jobs have been crying about how slow they are for over a year. There are a ton of issues and complaints.

[BRP]

This is true they have touched on certain issues. Then again its taken them way to long to make adjustments. Bst waited over 2 years for something that was introduced to the Dev team days after the MPK patch. S.E waited years to address RMT issues, claim stealing. Hell 2 handed jobs have been crying about how slow they are for over a year. There are a ton of issues and complaints.

I'm not defending their effectiveness or lack of it, I'm just making it clear they aren't evil. The issues listed above are bad design or bad decisions or slow reaction. None of which I think is because SE thinks they made a perfect game.

[Jerseyprophet]

If I /checked a BG member back in the day when it was the for real BG before they all split and left for wow, I'd expect and DID see good gear and I knew why.

Go fuck yourself. BG is a better linkshell now then before those cockjockeys left for WoW.

BTW, sashay on over to their website and ask them how WoW is treating them...

Egh, no need to take it as a personal attack. I think 22, Edward, Ondori, Berticus, Cloud, the 2 people that always went afk making out in lower jeuno by the fountain, Lujan, etc. when I think BG.

I was dating someone a long time ago IRL who used to be in the old old OLD BG and she just has her opinions I guess. Im still in touch with her, if you count TXTs/WoW as in touch and I just listen to the old stories how the old days with you guys. I was never a member, so what the hell do I know. Just repeating shit.


Old BG, new BG - either way BlueGarter both in game in the forums were possible the most influential part of FFXI in the history of it's players. K? Can we settle our sensitive nerves?