Monk double atk on ws :o ?

[Darkwill]

Im a high level ranger so I know that all ranger weapon skills suck until slugwinder
(sadly too true)

Relic WS aside, the others after do as well (unless you wanna do a light SC).

[Vlorsutes]

8 hit cap ftl.

lol, a good friend shamed me quite nicely (after having black belt for months too haha) by informing me about the 8 hit cap and that i was a noob for wsing in brutal;;

Actually it's not entirely stupid to use brutal with Asuran Fists, as unless you have enough acc on that you rarely ever miss a swing, there's a good chance you'll miss a swing or two in AF, and there's a chance that the brutal will proc and make up for the missed swings. Sure there are better options, but ws-ing in brutal isn't that bad.

[Ferien]

8 hit cap ftl.

lol, a good friend shamed me quite nicely (after having black belt for months too haha) by informing me about the 8 hit cap and that i was a noob for wsing in brutal;;

Actually it's not entirely stupid to use brutal with Asuran Fists, as unless you have enough acc on that you rarely ever miss a swing, there's a good chance you'll miss a swing or two in AF, and there's a chance that the brutal will proc and make up for the missed swings. Sure there are better options, but ws-ing in brutal isn't that bad.

It's an 8-swing, not 8-hit cap. Missing one hit does NOT allow you to Double Attack to make up for it.

[Shuemue]

Asuran Fists with Brutal on is Store TP +1 and that's it

[Xanthu]

Necro because it's the most recent topic on the idea.

Does a Monk's offhand fire on Asuran Fists? Can this double attack? How is my 71 MNK friend hitting 17% and 18% tp returns with Spartan Cesti?

[Eratosthenes]

Necro because it's the most recent topic on the idea.

Does a Monk's offhand fire on Asuran Fists? Can this double attack? How is my 71 MNK friend hitting 17% and 18% tp returns with Spartan Cesti?

Of course the offhand hits. It does on all HtH WSs. On WSs besides Asuran Fists, it can double attack. Spartan Cesti have huge delay. Why is he still using them at 71? Come to think of it, why did he ever use them at all? TMH +2 ftw.

[Kirschy]

This isn't the right thread, but ima ask anyway~

The wording on Asuran Fists says it's an 8-hit WS. Since you attack /w both fists, and I assume each counts as a hit... so only 6 of the additional hits go off? (Which would make it 7-hit + extra fist). Combo is 3-hit if I recall, so it should be both fists + 2 additional, and Raging Fists is 5-hit... so both fists + 4 additional? (Am I making any sense?)

[Xanthu]

Ok, so if the offhand fires. That means it's 9 attacks then. or the offhand on a WS is a separate mathed number.

But if I remember right, this doesn't apply to dual wield, like a DRK/NIN with KC and Ridill. Just a bizzare way to go about it?

Ooh ooh. What about NIN/DRG with KC, Merc Kris, and on jumps?

This isn't the right thread, but ima ask anyway~

The wording on Asuran Fists says it's an 8-hit WS. Since you attack /w both fists, and I assume each counts as a hit... so only 6 of the additional hits go off? (Which would make it 7-hit + extra fist). Combo is 3-hit if I recall, so it should be both fists + 2 additional, and Raging Fists is 5-hit... so both fists + 4 additional? (Am I making any sense?)

Asked friend about this, he asks why does Howling fist, a 1-shot H2H WS, still give tp return for 2 fists?

We're both a bit perplexed

Edit: one more thing. Kickattacks on WS? yes/no?

[evilpaul]

You get two punches in a Howling Fist with no Double Attacks.

[Eratosthenes]

All HtH WSs are two or more hits. No WS can exceed 8 hits. It goes mainhand, offhand, then 6 more hits.

Kicks don't fire on WSs, and Dune Boots don't affect Dragon Kick, in case you were wondering.

[Xanthu]

You get two punches in a Howling Fist with no Double Attacks.

Well yes, but it blatantly appears to be a one-shot WS, as does 1-inch punch. But Asuran's "8" hits, and looking now at Raging Fists "5" hits, are actually 6 and 3 beyond a normal attack round.

It just seems like some very bizzare programming. Rampage's "5" hits are actually 6 with and offhand...

right?

[aurik]

The descriptions of the WS are actually misleading, in that the number is shows already incorporates the additional offhand hit.

Combo is stated to be a 3-hit WS. That's main-hand, extra hit, off-hand. This is unlike Jin, which is also stated to be 3-fold, where it's main hand, extra hit, extra hit, and then offhand if a second weapon is equipped.

So AF is actually probably a 7-hit WS, but since you can't use it without a valid offhand, it becomes always 8-hit.

Double-attack can fire on any H2H WS except AF, and possibly one-inch punch.

[Xanthu]

The descriptions of the WS are actually misleading, in that the number is shows already incorporates the additional offhand hit.

Much simpler way of putting it. My friend was thinking "gawd changing the whole system just for H2H?" When really, saying they just mis-named 3 WSes is simpler.

[Kirschy]

The descriptions of the WS are actually misleading, in that the number is shows already incorporates the additional offhand hit.

Combo is stated to be a 3-hit WS. That's main-hand, extra hit, off-hand. This is unlike Jin, which is also stated to be 3-fold, where it's main hand, extra hit, extra hit, and then offhand if a second weapon is equipped.

So AF is actually probably a 7-hit WS, but since you can't use it without a valid offhand, it becomes always 8-hit.

Double-attack can fire on any H2H WS except AF, and possibly one-inch punch.

Hypothetical situation I can't test atm... WAR/MNK using a shield and empty main hand goes outside and does Combo and Raging Fists. How many hits would each be? Combo 2, and Raging Fists 4? Or would it still be 3 and 5, regardless?

[aurik]

The descriptions of the WS are actually misleading, in that the number is shows already incorporates the additional offhand hit.

Combo is stated to be a 3-hit WS. That's main-hand, extra hit, off-hand. This is unlike Jin, which is also stated to be 3-fold, where it's main hand, extra hit, extra hit, and then offhand if a second weapon is equipped.

So AF is actually probably a 7-hit WS, but since you can't use it without a valid offhand, it becomes always 8-hit.

Double-attack can fire on any H2H WS except AF, and possibly one-inch punch.

Hypothetical situation I can't test atm... WAR/MNK using a shield and empty main hand goes outside and does Combo and Raging Fists. How many hits would each be? Combo 2, and Raging Fists 4? Or would it still be 3 and 5, regardless?

Can't use H2H WS with shield equipped.

[Jaybar]

Ooh ooh. What about NIN/DRG with KC, Merc Kris, and on jumps?

All multi hit weapons outside of Jailer weapons can proc on Jumps. Kraken Jumps are broken D:

[RKenshin]

Double-attack can fire on any H2H WS except AF, and possibly one-inch punch.

I may have completely missed something, but why wouldn't One-Inch Punch?

[aurik]

I believe its a stupid WS like Blade:Ei with "special properties".

Could be wrong, but no real incentive to test it...

[fantasticdan]

I believe its a stupid WS like Blade:Ei with "special properties".

Could be wrong, but no real incentive to test it...

Isn't blade:ei dark magic damage? I was under the impression DA (and offhand hits?) just didn't work on any of the magic/elemental ws, except maybe tachi:enpi. One inch punch on the other hand just says "Ignores enemy's defense. Amount ignored varies with TP.", the same message as wheeling thrust, which can definitely DA. I'm no mnk/pup so obviously I don't know for sure, but one inch punch not being able to DA wouldn't be consistent with anything else that I can see.

[aurik]

I believe its a stupid WS like Blade:Ei with "special properties".

Could be wrong, but no real incentive to test it...

Isn't blade:ei dark magic damage? I was under the impression DA (and offhand hits?) just didn't work on any of the magic/elemental ws, except maybe tachi:enpi. One inch punch on the other hand just says "Ignores enemy's defense. Amount ignored varies with TP.", the same message as wheeling thrust, which can definitely DA. I'm no mnk/pup so obviously I don't know for sure, but one inch punch not being able to DA wouldn't be consistent with anything else that I can see.

You absolutely can't trust SE's description of the weapon skill, and who the fuck cares enough to test it?