[Odin] Aws & Arid (bc)

[Livette]

Moving to Valefor from Odin as a pair ... any info would be nice. Thanks.

[Syllna]

Aws... a relatively cool guy and all that stuff but I had always had my doubts about him. Plays RDM very well (Tanked Jailor of Love a few times) as well as his RNG being very well equipped... I'm not even going to begin to go into the horror stories about Arid though.... this page would be like a 100 page thread if I did... Anyways, Sure Aws WAS a friend of mine, rather trustworthy and such... though him leaving before me getting my character back screws me out of the Trotter's he owes me...

Anyways on to the reason why i'm posting.... Aws was a leader of a sky LS over on Odin. Just so happens that this is turning into another one of those "Leader stole all our gooddies and server hopped" threads... This is not surprising from Arid but from Aws? Like I said i always had my doubts about him, especially after he left my sea LS without any kind of notification... claims he never bought gil or anything of the sort but gets rather defensive when you jokingly call him RMT because of his name... Say "Hi RMT" to him in tell and see what happens... I'm not totally sure what he and Arid made off with but from what was told to me and send to me in this upcoming image makes this a bit of a big deal so invite them at your own risk...

Here's the SS of them discussing whats happening to the shell now that they are gone.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...113_161833.png

Be warned...

[ryskar]

Short: he jacked shit from the sky ls he led and hopped servers

Arid, afaik, is a nice guy. Don't have much experience with him, but what I did have was ok.

[Annah]

Well, I have known Arid and Aws for a long time, and they are both dedicated and respectful players. Arid is probably one of the best tanks on Odin, and his DRK is amazing. He has put so much work into LSs he would be a great asset to any. I think Syllna's reaction to them leaving is probably out of anger because now she doesn't have Aws's help to get her boots. Quit pouting and stop slandering people on the internet. And anyone who has ever been on Odin knows that our server is full of BS and drama, no wonder people want to go somewhere new.

[Syllna]

For your information, since I dont have my character atm i can care less about trotters.. be nice to get them once i get back though... Besides, you seem to be missing the point, they both just left Odin at a drop of a hat completely screwing out the LS they were leading which is stealing. I've known Aws for over a year now so its not like I'm not slandering him completely out of "he screwed my friends". Hell no.. its the fact that someone i trusted even when i had doubts went and STOLE an entire ls's hard earned work... -cough-yeahrightlolsky-cough- and the ss that i posted from someone that was in the shell proves that. I have no doubt they are great players, I just doubt they are trustworthy to join a shell after pulling something like this. Thats seriously uncool...

[vagus]

Well, I have known Arid and Aws for a long time, and they are both dedicated and respectful players. Arid is probably one of the best tanks on Odin, and his DRK is amazing. He has put so much work into LSs he would be a great asset to any. I think Syllna's reaction to them leaving is probably out of anger because now she doesn't have Aws's help to get her boots. Quit pouting and stop slandering people on the internet. And anyone who has ever been on Odin knows that our server is full of BS and drama, no wonder people want to go somewhere new.

They could be the best tank in the world, but taking an entire LS bank and pop items and moving servers doesn't justify there actions. Seriously, whoever is considering taking these guys in. I would reconsider. Stealing a bank takes planning, and who knows what they might consider in the future.

As for Arid being one of the best tanks in Odin. Doubt that, since he's never tanked a Wyrm or King before.

[ryskar]

Well, I have known Arid and Aws for a long time, and they are both dedicated and respectful players. Arid is probably one of the best tanks on Odin, and his DRK is amazing. He has put so much work into LSs he would be a great asset to any. I think Syllna's reaction to them leaving is probably out of anger because now she doesn't have Aws's help to get her boots. Quit pouting and stop slandering people on the internet. And anyone who has ever been on Odin knows that our server is full of BS and drama, no wonder people want to go somewhere new.

I think this post is really only hurting their cause. Not trying to be an ass or anything, but uhh... just the way I see it.

This doesn't really involve me, so I'm not gonna snoop around or ask any questions. I do want to see how this unfolds, however.

[Kaeko]

Well, I have known Arid and Aws for a long time, and they are both dedicated and respectful players. Arid is probably one of the best tanks on Odin, and his DRK is amazing. He has put so much work into LSs he would be a great asset to any. I think Syllna's reaction to them leaving is probably out of anger because now she doesn't have Aws's help to get her boots. Quit pouting and stop slandering people on the internet. And anyone who has ever been on Odin knows that our server is full of BS and drama, no wonder people want to go somewhere new.

I almost wish the things in this post were true.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of people changing servers involving Odin want to move IN, not out. That's why SE tried to get people on Odin to move to less populated servers.

Not sure what BS drama is being referred to here, but I always thought we had it pretty clean and boring. Also, drama usually refers to competitive camping drama like kings, wyrms, etc. (stuff where you have more than 1 LS actively competing for). Sky drama is definitely no reason to call an entire server, let alone the biggest one, full of BS and drama. I just find the scope of the allegation pretty narrow-minded.

Also, does this post sound slanted to anyone else looking in as a 3rd party? I'm with Vagus on the tanking comment. Unless this guy like walks on water solo tanking Byakko and stuff, I'm not sure how you can tell someone is good to the degree of "one of the best" without putting the person on the harder mobs in the game. Even if this is a purely anecdotal comment, wouldn't you have to at least have attempted these things to really think this?

I'm not trying to pick any fights here. I just think the people who may have to deal with the players in question in the future can get confused by the info given. It's hard to tell who is who's friend and who's information to trust.

Just my 2 cents.

[Ashira]

Saw Aws around.. ish. Arid too. Maybe at a Behe or Aspi camp, or just running around in town. Maybe I was in a Limbus shell with him a long time back? I don't really remember.

Neither of them did HNM on any sort of level to call them experienced at it or to even give them any sort of recognition with most of the endgame scene on Odin, so I too would sort of disregard the comment about being 'one of the best tanks on the server.'

Odin is one of the least drama filled servers of them all, amazingly, despite some people's attempts to change that. We're boring and mostly clean, and it's why we keep seeing random less scrupulous shells migrating here and then rapidly dissipating (think we're on our third one now). Not to say we don't have our moments, but mostly, there's not much BS out there to be had.

I know Aws had just started a Salvage shell as well? Or at least a fellow LS member of mine had *just* joined, about a week before he hopped servers, so now all those people he did that with are left in a lurch as well. :/

[Adubz]

>aws

i know this dont help my case that much but missinformed people have caused me to post this

Saw Aws around.. ish. Arid too. Maybe at a Behe or Aspi camp, or just running around in town. Maybe I was in a Limbus shell with him a long time back? I don't really remember.

Neither of them did HNM on any sort of level to call them experienced at it or to even give them any sort of recognition with most of the endgame scene on Odin, so I too would sort of disregard the comment about being 'one of the best tanks on the server.'

Odin is one of the least drama filled servers of them all, amazingly, despite some people's attempts to change that. We're boring and mostly clean, and it's why we keep seeing random less scrupulous shells migrating here and then rapidly dissipating (think we're on our third one now). Not to say we don't have our moments, but mostly, there's not much BS out there to be had.

I know Aws had just started a Salvage shell as well? Or at least a fellow LS member of mine had *just* joined, about a week before he hopped servers, so now all those people he did that with are left in a lurch as well:/

first off i wish i knew i started a salvage ls cause i just unlocked salvage last night so there must be some other aws running around odin cause wasnt me starting salvage i know nothing about it and have no care for it atm."kaeoko"
"I'm not trying to pick any fights here. I just think the people who may have to deal with the players in question in the future can get confused by the info given. It's hard to tell who is who's friend and who's information to trust."

ok first thing i have to say is idk how people consider spending points stealing when thats all arid did he spent some of his points on gil packets before he left. about a week before i left before i was informed kotraz said he didnt really want to do anything with ls after he got his Hidate and even though he was planing on quiting and playing Guitar hero 3 and not come to any events or limbus and what not. i guess that kinda got me mad that all this linkshell was about getting him a item i was one to stray away toward farming alot of other stuff but ya he pritty much was going to leave us after he got what he wanted i didnt really want to see that happen i personaly didnt want to put up with his BS any more so ya my better option would have been to kick him like i wanted to ya he was kinda a friend on mine but he really was one to piss me off i would tell ls to do one thing he would tell members to do somthing else. kotraz was bank holder of ls me or arid never had any bank money on us so if you think spending points for you money is a crime then ya we spend our points for money witch we aloud and anyone with points in ls could get gil when they wanted.. that is if kotraz would get on to give it to them. this ls was a train wreck waiting to happen all about people and there damn hidate ya i know its a good item but people caused so much fucking drama about that damn item thats all people we about there was no fun when i comes down to stuff like that. i my self didnt feal like getting fucked over as it was seemingly going to happen i just one day wanted to leave i never planed or ploted this unlike other leaders in ls making it so they were 1st for items espcialy people who were all after the same item were some one that had more points than another couldnt lot agaist some one with less points i know it was a fucked up system but ya this was all started with kifimbo getting 1st hidate over kotraz ya cause kotraz lost his chance at the start by leting some one lot agaist him... o ya kifimbo left the ls 1 day after he got his hidate what a surprise.

next thing im talk about is that odin was a nice place but there is alot damn drama there i my self am sorry that i cause this out of being mad about somthing. the ls and others would have been well better off if i had just kicked some people mainly kotraz but ya that would have caused a whole lot of drama and i didnt feel that would have been best option i have no way of going back in time but i would not change a thing. stuff just had to happen i know i did leave with pop set for byakko but ya i should have just given to them and left but nothing of that short would have done much always choices but its just a game people need reconize what was happing in the ls that caused me to want to leave.

next thing im saying is people saying thing they not know in this thread about peoples game expericence but kaeoko is cool person always states his opinion on what he thinks should be said very knowlageable when it comes to alot of stuff.

Ashira is some one i really dont know or have seen much in game besides king camps but to call some ones end game expircence in to question when they cant remeber stuff well idk about that. not trying to diss anyone but some one who dont know what they talking about in a sence kinda wanted to make me say all this there is always another side to a story "but no one will listen to one side it is just like history the winer gets writen in the text" but ya i my self have had alittle more end game exp then arid his self proclaimed best tank just his friends talking joking around with him but ya dont get me wrong he know how to tank in all but he dont have some exp that others say not need for talk of walking on water to be good or call your self good its all opinion and not what you say what others say or see or hear.

as i have already said before in this thread people say we took the bank i dont know how that is possible when we dont hold the bank kotraz has held since start of ls even though some was used for his personal gain that was cause to make me mad that some one who said i wasnt trust worthy>.. aka me finding gem of west in some one bazzar for 200k thinking o maby i can make some profit of this type of thing for me self i was like o look what i found in ls shouldnt have said anything but i get tell 2 min later .."kotraz" ill buy the gem with bank money off ya we need more byakkos pop items.. HMM ya he gave me 300k for somthing that sells for 1M or so calling me low and what not if i didnt give to ls... well him for his own personal gain for his byakkos hidate for his only reason for runing ls with me arid stonebeast and stonedmage and then thinking why do i asscoisate with a person like this not like he ever been nice person i know he has helped me here and there but ya this person makes me mad plain in simple should have just remmoved him form frineds list....

im srry Ashira i havnt killed as many Nidhoggs or fafnirs to be at your so called level i wasnt in TK i saw you guys kill alot i but i have the titles to show for what i have killed arid i couldnt say the same for but he know what he is doing when i comes to his 2 jobs i most cases no need list what i have or have not killed end game exp cant be compared with 2 differnt people in two totaly differnt lses TK mainly was a HNM ls thats what you guys and and what you do best need be in a ls that claims alot ML and 1kn had there share of claimes but not to your amount or standards.

btw ....... srry for the rant just though people need well see the wall of my text of the other side not that it would matter as i have said before but ya its there. just cause one person post one thing and another post somthing else all this happen ....

ya and there is no drama on odin right... none at all

end well rant and bad puncuation and grammer check

[LLK]

Holy Wall of text

Is Adubz Aws? Or Arid?

Cause the Aws I knew could type slightly more better goodest.

And naaaaaaah Odin has no drama... this thread will only be like 3 pages by the time it's done.

[Doofus]

I didn't know them on odin but both of them last night wound up checking me on valefor and asking if i was from odin based on some signed gear I had, which I replied yes and what not.
They have some pretty interesting new names if you ask me <.<

During my 4 years on odin, I don't remember seeing either of these players in the end-game scene as has been stated.

Also, if the info in this BC pans out, they should fit right in with vibe... Little shits always leave without warning an xp pt(Like literally, 0 seconds warning, hey guys i gotta go *disbands*).
Except Negativpositiv(sp?) they are the one good vibe member I have had the pleasure of playing with.

[vagus]

This thread isn't about Odin. Lol. It's about 2 people who stole an entire LS bank and moved to another server. That is the bottom line. Deflecting this back onto "Odin having drama" should be pointless.

[ryskar]

Holy Wall of text

Is Adubz Aws? Or Arid?

Cause the Aws I knew could type slightly more better goodest.

And naaaaaaah Odin has no drama... this thread will only be like 3 pages by the time it's done.

how can there be drama if no one can fucking read what Aws posted?

[Doofus]

Is Adubz Aws? Or Arid?

Hooked on phonics worked for me!

But yea Odin is very lite on the drama, If this story is true it may be our first LS bank hopping servers that i am aware of!

[Kaeko]

Going to help this guy out and attempt to summarize his rant into something readable. He claims 3 main things (editted a bit... really hard to read)...

Said he left due to internal LS drama which was inevitable as the LS was a "trainwreck". Was a Sky LS with apparently a number of players wanting Byakko pants. Drama ensued over said pants and he left.

He claims he did not 'steal' anything, but just happened to win bid on a lot of $$ items with points just prior to when he left. He claims he bid all those $$ items without knowing he was going to transfer and didn't intentially bid then bail. He says he does not control the LS's bank so could not have stolen. That's what he claims happened.

He also says no one will believe him anyway since people want to instinctively believe the worst in others. He's probably right on this.

Not really sure if he's actually the leader or not. The post doesn't indicate he was even though people all seem to claim he was.

My original post wasn't actually directed at the person on the BC, but at a particular comment which I thought was like a total exaggeration. I don't think the people actually reading this for non-drama purposes should be told someone is one of the "best tanks" on the server when the person has no experience with the consensus hardest mobs in the game. People on other servers have no clue whether the person really is or not, so I weighed in.

This is not a diss at the person in question - camping shit can be boring and a lot of people don't care to do it; however, if you choose not to do it, you really shouldn't ever be considered "one of the best" at tanking. It's just one of those things where you got to back up a claim with something tangible. There are a lot of weird things you would never know without actually having been to the event; just off the top of my head, the weird changes in Khimaira's attack pattern. Can't even describe it; you have to see it.

Also to clarify, Ashi's comment about him running a Salvage LS then bailing isn't true I think. The person in our LS that got potentially screwed by the server hop had joined a Limbus LS with said person as leader I think, not Salvage.

If you press ENTER twice after a sentence and create a paragraph more often, you come off a lot better online, btw. That post is also proof that you can read english by only identifying the first and last letter of each word...

[Xjedi]

Xjedi=Arid
Stealing a bank takes planning, and who knows what they might consider in the future.
Quote- Vagus

ok for 1 sorry about my posting skillz i dont come on BG a lot to defend my self. If using LS points that I was saving up for a haidate that I would never get on gil packets is stealing i really dont know how i could do it in a more legal matter. If you have any ideas on how i could of obtained the gil packets farely pls let me know because i thought that for 250k it was -25 points and i used 100 points on 4 packets so sorry if you were confused on that matter but AWS AND I NEVER STOLE ANYTHING.. and yes Vagus I have tanked kings before and cerberus so its obvious u have no clue what ur talking about...and i dont know why you would come on here and talk crap about me when i have always been friendly towards you...and Ashira what did u just say??? I dont think you have a clue on what your talking about so pls stay out of this topic...if having the most points at sky everytime we killed byakko and not having lotting rights on Haidate and being main tank in the LS is fair then idk what to think because im 100% sure any of you wouldnt want to be in a LS that was corrupt from the inside and deals were being made behind members backs. I was never rude to any of you all i wanted was byakkos haidate and was sick of tanking everything and knowing nothing would ever come from it.. Kaeko your standards for a great tank is very high and i may not me the best but ive solo tanked byakko many times as nin/drk but im sorry the LSs i was in didnt have as much as a claim rate as TK so in reality I was rarely given the chance but when i was I didnt fail. So pls stop all the trash talk and the real thing u should be afraid of is Kotraz because all Aws and I did for YNHLS is try to get ppl everything they wanted and we are really sorry it didnt workout Thanks! I also had many friends in the LS which Aws and I tried so hard to get us to farm other pops but Kot was pretty much a dictator and sent everyone to Despot and Ulli Sorry Kilana and Art =/ Syllna why do you hate me again? all i can remember from you is helpin ya with Trotter boots NM and Limbus like 3 times...not my fault your acc got hacked

[Ashira]

I was more than positive my LS mate said "well, I'm out of luck on Salvage again, Aws is switching servers and it's only been a week," though on reflection it could have been Limbus, that's very possible -- we currently don't have either active due to scheduling conflicts. It was between windows probably, and I don't always pay perfect attention. Sorry if I got it wrong, that wasn't intended. /shrug

The only drama there is on Odin basically surrounds those people who make it for themselves. Massive LS vs LS drama and such really doesn't exist here, and while we've had our share of haha individuals, so has every other server.

[Xajii]

I helped out in the sky LS in question a couple of times trying to get my friend his haidate. Although on the surface there didn't seem to be severe problems I would say it's apparent members weren't fond of each other and had conflicting goals. While it's not completely true that Kotraz had his LS only go for Byakko pops, I would say it was probably a factor in his decision-making for planned events. It was clear a lot of people wanted that, and who can blame them?

I don't think there would have been a problem in this linkshell if people were not self-serving. It's clear from the information provided in this post that the moment something didn't tickle their fancy, these two cashed in on their points rewards and left. There did not seem to be, as they would suggest, a "dictatorship"; that's just my opinion though, I spent a total of about 4 hours with this ls.

We can discuss capability and experience all we want but the former is very subjective and the latter has been touched on. Neither of these players have been active in the Odin endgame, but that doesn't mean they're incapable of it. Your judgment should be made on what they had to say for themselves more than anything.

[Xjedi]

The Dictatorship was below the surface Example: I would say ok lets focus on Genbu/Seiryu pops on Wednesday, then wednesday would come kotraz would send everyone to Despot or Ulli and say we can farm Water etc after we get a byakko set and when we would try to take ppl to water /etc he would tell ppl differently and both sides would conflict and usually ended up not gettin much done that day...same thing happened with sea he canceled sea due to him wanted to farm Byakko pops or pop Byakko it was a really big mess that would only end when he got his haidate and left the shell which we werent gonna let happen