Woodworking money ?

[Kimkytaru]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could give me some hints on what's selling good now on WW. I stopped for one year and now I see that the economy is kinda different, wanted to have some tips form people that are in WW, what are you doing now to gain money ?

I understand some people dont want to post it here so that other WW on there server take the spot so if you want you can pm me too

[BerenTebogo]

If it ends in -1, you usually can't go wrong.

This applies to every craft (besides leather, fuckers)

[zhan]

If it ends in -1, you usually can't go wrong.

This applies to every craft (besides leather, fuckers)

CURSED PUMPS -1 !


Yea, all the cursed -1 besides the hands and feet ... uh staves are decent money if you get lucky too.

[Kimkytaru]

I dont how I could get money from Cursed Haidate -1, to craft it I'll surely have to try at least 10 synth and now each synth is costing me around 800k (and that is if I can sell my cursed haidate) I dont see how this can be a money maker.

Anyway I dont believe people can make money on those synth anymore at least not on my server, that explain why my friend is searching for a haidate -1 for like 2 month now. Also as mnk I would have a great problem if I synth a -1 <.< keep it or not. I dont think that either Shura hands or shura feet can produce good money and you're loosingtoo much on haidate, kabuto and togi to make it a real money maker these days.

[spooky]

Transfer to Shiva and come stand next to me and fix my Lu's when I break it trying to catch Liks for Ebisu. That's pretty good money.

[BerenTebogo]

I dont how I could get money from Cursed Haidate -1, to craft it I'll surely have to try at least 10 synth and now each synth is costing me around 800k (and that is if I can sell my cursed haidate) I dont see how this can be a money maker.

Anyway I dont believe people can make money on those synth anymore at least not on my server, that explain why my friend is searching for a haidate -1 for like 2 month now. Also as mnk I would have a great problem if I synth a -1 <.< keep it or not. I dont think that either Shura hands or shura feet can produce good money and you're loosingtoo much on haidate, kabuto and togi to make it a real money maker these days.

Unless it's costing you 800k to make NQ, and you're NPCing it, you're a bit skewed.

If your problem is tying up all your money in the synths go farm then craft, you cant make money if you dont have any.

Haidate are what? T1, universal economy probably lose 150k-300k per NQ, depending on how retarded your server is, lets say HQ is 7mil (again, seems fairly standard) Sure, if you bang out 10 synths in a row you just tied up 8 mil, but you'll get 6.5-7mil back, and if you HQ you now have 14 mil.

I just plowed dusk out the past few weeks, at one point I had 14 NQ dusk gloves on me that were 800k each, it sucked, but I got the money back and then I hq'd a synth worth 25 mil.

Cost-benefit analysis, if you cant afford to lose 300k on a synth, dont do it, go make some shihei and farm til you can afford to sit down and sit 3-4 at a time and not be broke. Worst thing you can do in crafting is A) craft yourself broke B) craft one at a time, wait for it to sell, craft another, and EXPECT to HQ, you'll /wrists

[Kimkytaru]

Let me put this in number maybe I wasnt clear the way I explain it.

Let's take cursed haidate -1 for example (I can afford let's say 8-9 synth).

Material cost : 8 x 800k = 6.400.000 That is the cost for making (let's say I broke a synth and made a -1 which would be really lucky cause I synth at least 30ish haidate and got maybe 1 -1)

Selling price : 240k x 6 = 1.440.000 So I have nearly a 5 million loss if I dont craft a -1. Now if I can manage a -1 it's good but I would have to sell it 5 million just to cover my loss, since I want to do some benefit I need to find someone that will pay around 8-10 million and even then it's not really a money maker I think. I dont see people paying more than 10 million for a -1 nowadays with the economy maybe I'm wrong, How much you selling your cursed haidate -1 fellow crafter ?

[BerenTebogo]

I'm leather but wow, honestly that's a much larger loss on divine log synths than what I'm used to hearing about, might attribute it to the ability to HQ the lumber but still, geez.

Well I guess you poked holes in that, didn't think it could reasonably be that much.

Only other good things I could think of for you are T0, I'd pay a heft fee for a Dhead -1 if I came across one, probably about 10 mil on this server which is a lot. And personally, I don't know about others but I'd pay about 9-10 mil for a Cerb bow +1 if I stumbled across one as well, but maybe that's because I'm crazy.

Staves are luck, depending on the prices on your server, and your desire to camp AH you can probably spam buy up all the soulflayer staves, desynth and sell bloodwood. Staves are 20k here for 70k lumber, it's ridiculous.

Man 500k loss-ish for NQ shura haidate, that's brutal, Cemetery Cherry - don't take him for

And for reference, the T1 synths I do are wivre mask, dusk ledelsens, and cerb mantles, which are 30k loss -> 600k profit, 150k loss > 6.3 mil profit, 350k loss -> 13 mil profit respectively (per synth)

I should do wivre mask more, I've been lazy, but still have made the only 5 +1 masks on the entire server lol.

[Kimkytaru]

K thx for all the infos I'll try to search some good synth in WW but this kinda sucks atm. Especially since rng are not so popular now. Anyway thx again but yeah as you see Haidate kinda sucks those day on my server. I could afford 100k loss on NQ or even 200k but 600k loss each synth is just crazy. I dont even speak about Togi. Maybe I should try to HQ some divine log like you said maybe it would pay up. I'll have to discuss wiht my leader to see if we can find a deal where I can the one we got cheaper

Anyway thx again for the tips :D

[BerenTebogo]

np, good luck on it!

[Acesmcnugget]

Man. Your server has crazy D log/cursed prices. On Bismarck logs are 400k apiece, NQ haidate goes for about 200k, HQ haidate lucky to sell for 2M (I've had 2 for a while now listed in the low 2s... finally sold one for 2 the other night in rolanberry). Can't believe logs still go for 800k on some servers.

Edit: Can't believe it because it's not true. Highest cross server price on ffxiah.com isn't even 500k. Don't complain about not being able to make money when you don't even know how much stuff costs on your own server.

P.S. Go do some freaking research. There's no reason for you to come here asking for this information other than pure laziness. You won't learn any magical secrets that you wouldn't be able to learn by spending 10 minutes looking through a recipe list. If you are really that lazy, you are going to fail at making money in todays economy regardless of how much advice the nicer crafters on this forum give you.

[nsx]

You know why the woodworking 200k GP item gives Fishmonger title?

Because all wood is good for is fixing fishing rods!

Ba-dum-chhh.


Basically it all comes down to how much risk you are willing to take on.
For haidate -1 for instance. On midgar logs are like 300kish, NQs sell for 250-280k. -1s sell for 2-2.75m or so.
If you assume about 75k loss per NQ. You have to HQ 1/25 or so to break even on this server. That is a good ratio. At one point when certain ww'rs were killing this synth, it was a 1/7-8 you need to HQ to break even. Thats a bad ratio. This is for t1 synths of course. Some people will intentionally kill a synth down to a shitty ratio like this to discourage others from attempting the synths.

Do this kind of analysis for any synths you are thinking of doing. Also keep in mind the market/demand for said item. -1 Haidate aren't terribly in demand on midgar. I've seen up to 3 people shouting to sell -1s at once here. The salvage legs also seem to be pretty common here, which dilutes the pool of buyers that would be interested in a -1.

HQ staves are flooded to the point of a 1/3 HQ rate to break even here. Which is a pretty big roll of the dice for a t2 imo.

Just don't be stupid and have patience. Crafting w/ no plan/patience is a pretty good way to put yourself in the poorhouse.


edit: and what Aces said!

[Antithesis]

HQ Divine logs =

[aurik]

No money in woodworking.

[Antithesis]

No money in woodworking.

[Zarath]

No money in woodworking.

qft

[Skeetaru]

go away

[Antithesis]

go away

[tymora]

Made about 32M since I hit 100 a year ago. It's steady income, nothing spectacular and I am sure there are people with more phenomenal profits(or dismal) from woodworking or other crafts.

Attempting to make money off HQ synths only is stupid for T0. If the NQs for T0 don't sell, don't make them. As it boils down to it, its just statistics. Don't forget to factor in the 5% break chance.

E(HQ Profit) + E(NQ Profit) - E(Break Loss) = E(Overall Profit)
This is just a guideline Expected Value figure to give you a rough idea what to expect over time.

For HQ staff profits, I don't make that particular staff if HQ to NQ ratio is less than 1:5. Best if you have a gs partner for large volume crafting.

Can also use woodworking + digging in the jungles to turn a good ~100k/day.

For the safest bet, always assume you are the unluckiest person on the server and craft from that point of view. Anything else(HQ) is just a happy bonus.

[vegetaa]

The only money left in woodworking is in the subcrafts. I'm not kidding, I've been making way more money with Cloth, Leather and Alchemy at 60 than I could make with WW100+6.

WW is pretty much dead, except if you can cut your own beads. And even better if you grow your own ores. Otherwise it's just a waste of time and gil.