Opinions about circumsicion

[Kwijiboe]

"Your doctors are idiots."

rofl.. JUST SHUT UP, WOW.

[Fhqwghads]

You guys shouldn't use medical studies as a case for or against something with regards to this discussion. There's almost always study A that concludes [insert circumstances here] prevents negative condition Z, and then study B comes along attempting to disprove study A, which of course finds some reason why study A was fallible for some reason or another. Then study A group retorts with fallacies in study B, and it's just a big circular argument that goes nowhere. Sort of like this thread.

All I can say is: Kuya in that picture you have a large, white tumor growing out from under your arm. You should see a doctor about that.

[Deejay]

I'm 19, and up until about a year ago I wanted to be circumcized more than anything in the world simply because it's what girls like. Uncut dicks look like elephant trunks. However, having a little bit more experience, I've concluded that getting a circumcission for aesthetic reasons is retarded.

Whenever I know i'm going to have sex, I just pull the foreskin back and voila, I have a "normal" looking cock. 9 times out of 10 the girl can't even tell that i'm uncut, and like someone posted earlier... my dick seems thicker when the foreskin is pulled back.

I say don't do it and let the kid choose. It's really not that big of a deal though. The biggest drawback to not cutting it off is dealing with the social aspects as apposed to the physical ones.

[Kuya]

Understandable, but of course as you can see by what you posted, the chances were pretty different. I can't remember if you're the same person who sead that they would let their kid uncircumsized but they had a complication. That was you, right? If so, then you made the right choice, but parents preemtively taking such liberties with their children makes me uneasy.

In the end, it all goes back to culture. You aren't going to convince a culture that they're doing things wrong, no matter how hard you try, and it's always going to be like this. I suppose you're just going to have to get used to it.

Is it me, or do all threads seem to end this way lol? But regardless, my point still stands. Circumsicion is a mutilation by definition, and it is done in the US mostly without consent of the person it is being done to, where in most cases it is not even necesary in the first place. Parents don't have the right to do whatever they want to their kids, nor should they be able to do this, when it is not needed. But yes, i'm willing to leave it at that, since i have no pretention of changing anyone's mind.

Kuya in that picture you have a large, white tumor growing out from under your arm. You should see a doctor about that.

That tumor is my friend, and the only one i can count on to not want to have sex with me. other than my parents and my brothers and sisters

[Shuemue]

All I can say is: Kuya in that picture you have a large, white tumor growing out from under your arm. You should see a doctor about that.

I fucking lol'd

[Lordshin]

And since when was it not a parent's right to choose things for their kids? What the fuck?

Besides, parents obviously have a good track record on guessing what their child would have wanted. Most people seem to be happy with the way they are, circumcised or not, so their parents made the right choices. Otherwise, everybody would be screaming by now about why their parents did or did not circumcise them when they were younger and would be on their way to the doctor to get it done for themselves (or berating their parents for having it removed).

So yeah, parent's are responsible for choosing for their kids, and obviously, have been doing a pretty damn good job at it thus far.

The reason they are happy with the way they are is because of the way they are not because "the parents made the right choice"

Im sure if someone here who isn't circumcised now was circumcised when they were born they'd be happy w/ that or vice versa.
You cant go by the logic: "I'm circumcised, he's circumcised, they're circumcised and we like it so it must be right" because... well you don't know the other side and it works the other way too...

i mean you're basically saying: "The US is so much better than <Insert other country here> Because most of us are circumcised" ... and you don't see whats wrong w/ that?

anyway... IMO it shouldn't be done i mean most of the things you hear about not being circumcised are myths or twisted truths or maybes from firm believers of circumcision being required... just because you arent circumcised doesnt mean you will get those... ever... scare tactics at its best.. and its working....

EDIT: Holy crap... i eft this topic open and left for class came back to reply, replied and topic gains 4 pages... haha

[archibaldcrane]

I'm 19, and up until about a year ago I wanted to be circumcized more than anything in the world simply because it's what girls like. Uncut dicks look like elephant trunks. However, having a little bit more experience, I've concluded that getting a circumcission for aesthetic reasons is retarded.

Whenever I know i'm going to have sex, I just pull the foreskin back and voila, I have a "normal" looking cock. 9 times out of 10 the girl can't even tell that i'm uncut, and like someone posted earlier... my dick seems thicker when the foreskin is pulled back.

I say don't do it and let the kid choose. It's really not that big of a deal though. The biggest drawback to not cutting it off is dealing with the social aspects as apposed to the physical ones.

Yay, glad to see you've come around.

[Plow]

[quote=Black Symphony]

That there was very little chance for complications.

And guess what, we had complications. ;D At the time of his infection we were told that about every 1/15 boys have the same problem, a problem that is only caused by not having him circumsized.

Again, I don't care whether people do it or don't, I'm just giving my reason for, if I ever have another son, why I would go ahead and do so.

Your doctors are idiots.


Find me factual information from a valid source proving there's some penis destroying infection that occurs in 1 in 15 uncircumcised males that never occurs if circumcised.


I mean, if you're telling the truth, I'm sure you've got information around on what it was called and can find the facts quickly.

It was an infection from pieces of skin rubbing together at that spot, which if there was no skin there i.e. he was circumsized, it wouldn't have happened. If that has a specific name then I don't know it, other than skin rubbing together. As for the statistics, I don't know what range they were in, just all over or for that hospital.

Of course, you could just continue to come off like an ass or you can look it up yourself. Who in the world would make up a story about their kids penis just to post on a forum, because that almost seems like what you're trying to imply.

Edit: Because I keep penis information sitting around my bedroom, right?[/quote:1ywey940]


Information about your kid's cock getting a massive infection that had to be cut off?

I'm pretty sure most parents would consider that information something that you'd want to keep around.


Just out of curiosity, what exactly was causing the "rubbing" of the skin that in turn caused some kind of infection?


The reality is your kid probably didn't have proper care, because what you're describing sounds exactly like a bad case of diapers not getting changed.



Anyway, the point is what you guys are all claiming is nothing but old wive's tales.

[Intense]

[quote=Plow]

That there was very little chance for complications.

And guess what, we had complications. ;D At the time of his infection we were told that about every 1/15 boys have the same problem, a problem that is only caused by not having him circumsized.

Again, I don't care whether people do it or don't, I'm just giving my reason for, if I ever have another son, why I would go ahead and do so.

Your doctors are idiots.


Find me factual information from a valid source proving there's some penis destroying infection that occurs in 1 in 15 uncircumcised males that never occurs if circumcised.


I mean, if you're telling the truth, I'm sure you've got information around on what it was called and can find the facts quickly.

It was an infection from pieces of skin rubbing together at that spot, which if there was no skin there i.e. he was circumsized, it wouldn't have happened. If that has a specific name then I don't know it, other than skin rubbing together. As for the statistics, I don't know what range they were in, just all over or for that hospital.

Of course, you could just continue to come off like an ass or you can look it up yourself. Who in the world would make up a story about their kids penis just to post on a forum, because that almost seems like what you're trying to imply.

Edit: Because I keep penis information sitting around my bedroom, right?

Information about your kid's cock getting a massive infection that had to be cut off?

I'm pretty sure most parents would consider that information something that you'd want to keep around.


Just out of curiosity, what exactly was causing the "rubbing" of the skin that in turn caused some kind of infection?


The reality is your kid probably didn't have proper care, because what you're describing sounds exactly like a bad case of diapers not getting changed.



Anyway, the point is what you guys are all claiming is nothing but old wive's tales.[/quote:1pnm9sqe]
You should be their kids doctor.

[Plow]

You should be their kids doctor.

Because the fact that I've researched the stuff and have the reading comprehension to understand that when they say the rates of all these things are the exact same rather circumcised or not means circumcision has nothing to do with it, and have the common sense to keep my medical records around means I think I'm a doctor.

[Shuemue]

[quote=Plow]

That there was very little chance for complications.

And guess what, we had complications. ;D At the time of his infection we were told that about every 1/15 boys have the same problem, a problem that is only caused by not having him circumsized.

Again, I don't care whether people do it or don't, I'm just giving my reason for, if I ever have another son, why I would go ahead and do so.

Your doctors are idiots.


Find me factual information from a valid source proving there's some penis destroying infection that occurs in 1 in 15 uncircumcised males that never occurs if circumcised.


I mean, if you're telling the truth, I'm sure you've got information around on what it was called and can find the facts quickly.

It was an infection from pieces of skin rubbing together at that spot, which if there was no skin there i.e. he was circumsized, it wouldn't have happened. If that has a specific name then I don't know it, other than skin rubbing together. As for the statistics, I don't know what range they were in, just all over or for that hospital.

Of course, you could just continue to come off like an ass or you can look it up yourself. Who in the world would make up a story about their kids penis just to post on a forum, because that almost seems like what you're trying to imply.

Edit: Because I keep penis information sitting around my bedroom, right?

Information about your kid's cock getting a massive infection that had to be cut off?

I'm pretty sure most parents would consider that information something that you'd want to keep around.


Just out of curiosity, what exactly was causing the "rubbing" of the skin that in turn caused some kind of infection?


The reality is your kid probably didn't have proper care, because what you're describing sounds exactly like a bad case of diapers not getting changed.



Anyway, the point is what you guys are all claiming is nothing but old wive's tales.[/quote:18r73hu5]
Let's be reasonable now, there's no need to accuse the guy of neglecting his kid. He already said he had him at 16, so when this happened he was only 21. That'd be a headfuck for any parent, let alone a very young parent.

[Fhqwghads]

The reality is your kid probably didn't have proper care, because what you're describing sounds exactly like a bad case of diapers not getting changed.

In before impending shit-storm after Plow accuses Black Symphony of being an irresponsible parent.

[Kwijiboe]

research, like in a lab, or out taking surveys? or research, like google?

Just because you searched on the internet and clicked on topics that agreed with you doesn't make it factual as you so claim.

[Plow]

The reality is your kid probably didn't have proper care, because what you're describing sounds exactly like a bad case of diapers not getting changed.

In before impending shit-storm after Plow accuses Black Symphony of being an irresponsible parent.

Right, it could never happen as a result of day care, or school, or anything other than the parent themself.

[Intense]

You should be their kids doctor.

Because the fact that I've researched the stuff and have the reading comprehension to understand that when they say the rates of all these things are the exact same rather circumcised or not means circumcision has nothing to do with it, and have the common sense to keep my medical records around means I think I'm a doctor.

It means you should shut the fuck up, you dont even know them well enough to havethe authority to accuse them of anything.

[Plow]

research, like in a lab, or out taking surveys? or research, like google?

Just because you searched on the internet and clicked on topics that agreed with you doesn't make it factual as you so claim.

And, of course, I made up my mind long before I ever decided to check. Definitely didn't want the best for myself and/or my children or anything like that, nope, I was looking into the future knowing there was going to be a thread on BG about circumcision and I wanted to win an argument.

You should be their kids doctor.

Because the fact that I've researched the stuff and have the reading comprehension to understand that when they say the rates of all these things are the exact same rather circumcised or not means circumcision has nothing to do with it, and have the common sense to keep my medical records around means I think I'm a doctor.

It means you should shut the fuck up, you dont even know them well enough to havethe authority to accuse them of anything.

Apparently I know them well enough to accuse them of admitting to not even keeping the records around of major heal problems in their children... But that's not even the point.

[Shuemue]

The reality is your kid probably didn't have proper care, because what you're describing sounds exactly like a bad case of diapers not getting changed.

In before impending shit-storm after Plow accuses Black Symphony of being an irresponsible parent.

Right, it could never happen as a result of day care, or school, or anything other than the parent themself.

It's a parent's responsibility to select carers, so yeah you're accusing him.

I suggest you drop that line of 'debate'

[Tonko]

Uncircumcised cocks are so fun to play with, and they have much more sensation than circumcised guys. I wish my parents had left mine alone, although the doc did an awesome job on my snip. Just enough skin left to not be too tight or too loose.

But yeah, leave the forskin there, better sex ftw.

[Plow]

The reality is your kid probably didn't have proper care, because what you're describing sounds exactly like a bad case of diapers not getting changed.

In before impending shit-storm after Plow accuses Black Symphony of being an irresponsible parent.

Right, it could never happen as a result of day care, or school, or anything other than the parent themself.

It's a parent's responsibility to select carers, so yeah you're accusing him.

I suggest you drop that line of 'debate'

Ok look, I'm sorry I said something that implied bad parenting.

All I really meant to say was that it does not fall in line with what was described, and people, including doctors, have been know to pass on misinformation.

[Perfect Night]

[quote=Plow]

That there was very little chance for complications.

And guess what, we had complications. ;D At the time of his infection we were told that about every 1/15 boys have the same problem, a problem that is only caused by not having him circumsized.

Again, I don't care whether people do it or don't, I'm just giving my reason for, if I ever have another son, why I would go ahead and do so.

Your doctors are idiots.


Find me factual information from a valid source proving there's some penis destroying infection that occurs in 1 in 15 uncircumcised males that never occurs if circumcised.


I mean, if you're telling the truth, I'm sure you've got information around on what it was called and can find the facts quickly.

It was an infection from pieces of skin rubbing together at that spot, which if there was no skin there i.e. he was circumsized, it wouldn't have happened. If that has a specific name then I don't know it, other than skin rubbing together. As for the statistics, I don't know what range they were in, just all over or for that hospital.

Of course, you could just continue to come off like an ass or you can look it up yourself. Who in the world would make up a story about their kids penis just to post on a forum, because that almost seems like what you're trying to imply.

Edit: Because I keep penis information sitting around my bedroom, right?

Information about your kid's cock getting a massive infection that had to be cut off?

I'm pretty sure most parents would consider that information something that you'd want to keep around.


Just out of curiosity, what exactly was causing the "rubbing" of the skin that in turn caused some kind of infection?


The reality is your kid probably didn't have proper care, because what you're describing sounds exactly like a bad case of diapers not getting changed.



Anyway, the point is what you guys are all claiming is nothing but old wive's tales.[/quote:3gc160ud]

You know..maybe it was because of his diapers! OH WAIT HE WAS FIVE. STUPID ME I THOUGHT I MENTIONED THAT!

Ooooooooor. It could be because we pulled his foreskin back everyday, we took proper care of it, but it then became so unrestricted that when he did normals things; walking, playing, that the skin would rub up against the inside, causing an infection. That infection caused the skin to scar as it healed over from being rubbed away, which caused it to close up so that it could no longer be moved back. Thus, there was a build up of puss inside, all of this which happened even after we treated the first infection, and it had to be removed.

I don't need to be a doctor to explain what happened to my son's penis, nor do I really need to prove anything to you because I could care less whether or not you believe me. Continue to think that I made up some ridiculous story because you don't want to consider the fact that maybe it wouldn't have happened had he been circumsized. I was simply giving the reason, as a parent, that I would make a different choice this time.

As for having the information, it's over two years old and it's stored away with the rest of my important files, which I don't happen to keep in my room. I could go get them for you and I'm certain that typing it all up for you is going to convince you right off about it, right?

Edit: I'm female for those who care to know