Opinions about circumsicion

[Khamsin]

But Tyche, why are you making the assumption that he'd want to be cut at all?

Only one way to find out. Cut him, and when he grows up ask him if he likes it that way. If he does, then he made the right choice.

[Andarvi]

My kid is not getting circumsized. They may not remember it, but you can tell by their reactions even when they are days old you know they are in immense pain. I dont want my kid in immense pain if they dont need it at any point in their lives, plain and simple. And if some girl later on in life is going to give him a hard time for it then he can tell her to fuck off, also plain and simple. Unless she is eva mendes or adrianna lima she probably wont be a perfect physical specimen either, not that she has the jurisdiction to define "perfect" anyways.

[Maxxthepenguin]

And since when was it not a parent's right to choose things for their kids? What the fuck?

Besides, parents obviously have a good track record on guessing what their child would have wanted. Most people seem to be happy with the way they are, circumcised or not, so their parents made the right choices. Otherwise, everybody would be screaming by now about why their parents did or did not circumcise them when they were younger and would be on their way to the doctor to get it done for themselves (or berating their parents for having it removed).

So yeah, parent's are responsible for choosing for their kids, and obviously, have been doing a pretty damn good job at it thus far.

Actually no. You're basing that off of the 15 people who have posted in this thread. There is a large movement of men who are upset at not having a choice and want their foreskin back. http://www.norm.org/

And I wish I could have gone to a high school sluttier girls. It would have been so much more fun.

Do you even read before you post? He said people are happy with the decisions their parents made for them and I showed him that there's a large amount of people who aren't.

I'm not happy with the decision that my parents put me into a school where binges sex and drugs aren't the norm! FUCK MY PARENTS FOR DOING THAT TO ME grrrr. Who cares if people mostly want to go to schools which will further academic achievement, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

[Khamsin]

To be completely honest, I don't think many people would "decide" to get circumcised when they're old enough to decide on there own. There's really no point.

There's many points, concerning health and aesthetic issues, but they've already been discussed earlier in the thread.

[Tristam]

So where's the stats of people who wish they'd have gotten circumsized but their parents didn't do it at birth. Need something to compare to the norm.org stats .

My guess would be the entirety of people who had anything approaching what blacksymphony described. That terrified me.

edit: Or needed an adult circumcision for medical reasons.

[Kuya]

Point is, not everybody is happy, but by far the majority is, so the parents have done a good job guessing on what their children would be happy with later in life. If they had chosen wrong, there'd be more cases of sons complaining about it.

Ýou're using faulty logic here. You assume that the fact that there aren't many who complain means the parents chose right, when in reality it has nothing to do with the parents choosing right or wrong. It is merely that in most cases, how is a man going to know what having or not having foreskin is like? If he's circumsized, he won't know if he likes foreskin better, if he's not circumsized he won't know either unless he takes the operation. They have nothing to compare it to, which neither counts as a negative or positive for circumsicion.

[Tyche]

But Tyche, why are you making the assumption that he'd want to be cut at all?

Like I said, I as a parent would make the decision for him because of aforementioned reasons. With a little girl and ear piercings, that's a choice that is perfectly safe to hold off on. There are no reprecussions for waiting on ear peircings, whereas there may be for waiting on circumcision if he decided he wanted to be or problems arose.

[Shuemue]

But Tyche, why are you making the assumption that he'd want to be cut at all?

Only one way to find out. Cut him, and when he grows up ask him if he likes it that way. If he does, then he made the right choice.

You're not serious, are you?

[Amarok]

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And I wish I could have gone to a high school sluttier girls. It would have been so much more fun.

Do you even read before you post? He said people are happy with the decisions their parents made for them and I showed him that there's a large amount of people who aren't.

I'm not happy with the decision that my parents put me into a school where binges sex and drugs aren't the norm! FUCK MY PARENTS FOR DOING THAT TO ME grrrr. Who cares if people mostly want to go to schools which will further academic achievement, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.[/quote:38lq6lka]

All I can say is wow @ how much idiocy is in your post. Please either discuss this like everyone else in the thread or shut the fuck up and stop posting.

[Kwijiboe]

http://www.nextbook.org/images/feature_weisberg_2.jpg

Don't know why this is an issue, I'm cut, never cared.

[Remyo]

on the same track for infant cosmetic/preventative surgeries: are you for or against lingual frenulotomies?

[Avanarius]

None of the points have made any sense to me.

Smegma? Do you shower every day? Good god.... Even every other day is enough to it clean...
Clearly the person you're having sex with doesn't give a shit about you if they want your dick cut.

[Kuya]

With regards to the argument of "unnecessary" procedures, getting wisdom teeth yanked out is not necessary in a lot of cases, yet they're almost always pulled anyway. It's done because the potential is there for problems to occur. It seems to me this is the same thing with circumcision.

This is an interesting point. You mind pulling up some data on this? As in, the percentage, chance of the wisdom teeth causing problems if not removed, and the percentages of serious medical problems occuring if the foreskin is not removed? If we can compare this, and is shows nearly identical numbers or the wisdom teeh showing lower numbers, then you might have actually stomped me on this.

lol too many posts to reply to

[Lexa]

Personally, I prefer cut, and that's despite coming from a country where it's not common at all. It's cleaner and better looking. ^^

[Rocl]

I stay up at night writing poetry in my livejournal about how much I miss my foreskin.

[Kwijiboe]

on the same track for infant cosmetic/preventative surgeries: are you for or against lingual frenulotomies?

Tongue Cutting done to eastern speakers to help them better speak english. Don't care, but man, I hate these chinese people at my restaurant, can't understand a fuckin thing they sa..

[Maxxthepenguin]

Actually no. You're basing that off of the 15 people who have posted in this thread. There is a large movement of men who are upset at not having a choice and want their foreskin back. http://www.norm.org/

And I wish I could have gone to a high school sluttier girls. It would have been so much more fun.

Do you even read before you post? He said people are happy with the decisions their parents made for them and I showed him that there's a large amount of people who aren't.

I'm not happy with the decision that my parents put me into a school where binges sex and drugs aren't the norm! FUCK MY PARENTS FOR DOING THAT TO ME grrrr. Who cares if people mostly want to go to schools which will further academic achievement, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

All I can say is wow @ how much idiocy is in your post. Please either discuss this like everyone else in the thread or shut the fuck up and stop posting.

Discuss what? We have people saying that a medical procedure that could prevent health problems shouldn't happen because of some idea that it limits the kid more than other decisions that parents have to make on a daily basis. This whole argument is retarded and arguing it like it's something that fucking matters is retarded. If you want your kids to have that risk then by golly you should leave them uncut. That's your right as a parent.

[Tristam]

From what I've seen, from a purely aesthetic position circumcised almost always looks better than uncircumcised. Yes it's probably a viewpoint influenced by the society I live in. No, it has nothing to do with medical reasons or anything like that. From a cleanliness standpoint, I would imagine that if a cock with foreskin can build up disgusting stuff like smegma, it's probably going to be prone to stinking a lot quicker than someone without a foreskin. Total speculation on my part, let the flames begin from uncircumcised guys, etc.

But seriously, an uncircumcised dick looks pretty gross imo. Especially ones where the foreskin is so prevalent that it hangs off the tip. Ugh. A circumcised dick looks more well maintained (again, imo.) Uncut dicks look like those tube worms in the ocean. Bleh...

With regards to the argument of "unnecessary" procedures, getting wisdom teeth yanked out is not necessary in a lot of cases, yet they're almost always pulled anyway. It's done because the potential is there for problems to occur. It seems to me this is the same thing with circumcision. As long as it's done to a newborn, who the hell cares. Anything past that apparently increases the risk of complications from what I read in the thread, so it's buyer beware at that point. I can't say whether or not I'd go through the procedure as an adult since it was done when I was born, but I'm pretty big on appearances (yeah, I'm shallow, sue me) so it's entirely possible that I might.

True with the wisdom teeth. I guess there's actually quite a bit of debate about getting children's tonsils removed too. Since it's a much easier surgery with much less pain in recovery as a child, many ear, nose, throat docs advise tonsilectomy early on. This goes against the wishes of most pediatricians, the majority of which feel that many tonsilectomies are unnecessary.

Of course since it's not about the penis, the public dosen't care.

[Plow]

parents obviously have a good track record on guessing what their child would have wanted

lol. Many parents have a tendency of choosing what they think it's best, and it is hardly ever based on what the child would have wanted. Unless you're trying to say that these parents somehow guessed that their child would have wanted to be circumsized, right after they were born. Which also ignores the fact that most are circumsized because the father was circumsized and wants his child to be the same way. But, that doesn't matter, as it is rarely the case where circumsized or uncircumsized honestly detest what has been done to them, or not done to them.

However this is wholy dependant on what culture they reside in. Any noncircumsized man can tell you he has felt preassure to get one if he lives in a culture where circumsicion is the norm, obviously he would since he'd feel the preasure exerted by females. And i don't doubt the same happening with a man who is circumsized residing in a culture where non circumsized is the norm.

I've never felt any kind of pressure to get circumcised... no woman has ever told me they care in the slightest. And apparently it works pretty well cuz every girl I fuck has a habit of falling in love with my cock so yeah, not real worried about it.

[Andarvi]

With regards to the argument of "unnecessary" procedures, getting wisdom teeth yanked out is not necessary in a lot of cases, yet they're almost always pulled anyway. It's done because the potential is there for problems to occur. It seems to me this is the same thing with circumcision.

False. Wisdom teeth are usually yanked when they could prove a potential orthodontic problem. These types of problems are much worse than a potential build up of smegna or any of the other extremely low potential risks of remaining incircumsized. For example, often times when wisdom teeth come in they do so at either a partially or severe horizontal angle. This can lead to pushing all the teeth in your mouth forward and permanantly damaging your oral structure, requiring significant orthodontic work to correct. Not to mention it hurts like a bitch all the while and considering millions of people get braces every year it also wastes that investment because it ruins your straight teeth.

There are no similar instances, as far as severity or probability of occurence, to this with the issue of circumsicion. Its like saying your appendix could burst some day, may as well take it out before it does (not necessarily while an infant).

Edit: Shit people post fast. Kuya beat me.