American History X, white supremacists in general

[Norelco]

I have no problem with black people but I hate niggers

GRAND OPENIN'? GRAND CLOSIN'!

[Mizango]

I live in Houston, and have friends who live in Beaumont, which is just to the east of here. Louisiana isn't far from Beaumont, perhaps about a 30 minute drive. But between the border & Beaumont lies the little town of Vidor. My friends & I used to meet up in Vidor, at the community center, to hang out & play LARP vampire. Anyway, one day, on the way to the VCC, I got pulled over, doing about 80 on the freeway. I was dressed fairly nicely, as were my three passengers. The cop, who seemed like he was as ancient as Moses asked where I was heading. I told him, and he looked at me, then at my three, male, white passengers. He smiled, nodded and said, "Be careful. We'd hate to lose fine young men like yourselves in a wreck." And he let us go, without a warning.

When I got to the VCC, I asked my friend what the hell that was about. He laughed and explained to me that the VCC was where the local chapter of the KKK met on a regular basis. Then he told me about a billboard which had hovered above I-10 for about half his life, until it was taken down in the mid-90's. It sat right in the middle of Vidor - which is pretty much a one stoplight town.

"Niggers, keep on driving."

I never felt comfortable about going back there. When I drive through, to Louisiana, I keep on driving.

Ive seen that sign rofl. I have in-laws are in Corpus Christi, Beeville and Houston.

[Remyo]

Edit: I dislike Rednecks, imo embracing your redneckness is on par with a black dude you see walking, cursing all loud, pants to his knees and rapping some Soulja boy bullshit.

While I agree to a point, I've seen some interviews with Blue Collar tour members and also was channel surfing and saw Gretchen Wilson (think that's her name, female country singer) and they defined being a redneck as essentially not having much in life, but still enjoying life. Instead of always wanting more and more stuff (like you'll see a LOT of people do) they believe a redneck is someone who enjoys what he already has. And with that definition I can completely understand redneck pride.

I haven't seen a lot of racism in my life, only two instances I can think of. One being a little brother of a friend I played with when I was younger calling one of the black kids we played with a nigger, always seemed a bit odd that a 4-5 year old knew that word and who was associated with it. The other being my father, opposing my brother transferring to a more inner-city school saying he shouldn't go to school with a "bunch of niggers" but considering most of the kids at that school fit the definition of "nigga" that might not have been a racist remark, never seen my father use that word anywhere else and he had no problem with my black friends as a kid.

Overall though, I completely agree with Mizango's points and beliefs. The best way to fix racism is to make the present have no racism, you can't change racism in the past.

Well said

But I should clarify, I dislike the redneck culture of the ignorant. I like the Blue collar comedy specials also. Here in North Carolina, people will walk around openly; mullets flowing, slamming Milwaukee's Best, Tattoes that read "White trash" or "Redneck n proud of it" on top of the Confederate flag, all while embracing their ignorant 5th grade educated views on politics and society.

I am impartial to the views on the Confederate flag (Which btw still flies on the Capital buildings here in NC and SC) seeing as how I can see the pride behind it. The fact is they had ancestors that died for the Confederacy and flying it in that regard is meant to be a tribute to the fallen. But on the flip side, the flag symbolizes oppression, slavery and a deep seeded hatred for any minority. You can equate it to the term "Fag" or "Faggot" in todays culture. Many people use the term, not as a slam towards homosexuals per se, but as a jab against a friend or rival. But at the end of the day the word is perceived as derogatory toward a specific class of people. Saying/Using it can be easily taken out of context and does not render it any less hurtful.

So I was actually directing that "Redneck" comment to RL people that embrace their own ignorance as opposed to using it for entertainment purposes. Should have made that clearer.

original term came from farmers whose necks would become red while farming and what not. I have a red neck from farming as well which would put me in that classification,however, I think my classification is different than what you consider a redneck. I ride my tractor almost daily, can plow a field, can grow a large garden, raise livestock, etc. etc., but I also work a job and go to school. The people you are calling rednecks aren't rednecks. I think the word you want to use is white trash. The people that fly the confederate battle flag and all that jazz you described would be better called white trash. Their strife is their own doing and hate other people because they don't want to blame themselves. They call themselves rednecks, but most likely have never done proper work and probably take advantage of the welfare system. Similar to their black counterparts in many ways really.

OT: I live in AL and do know the counties that hold clan meetings, I think it's mostly where they dress up in their gay robes and do their gay stuff when they get drunk, really dumb imo. According to a Homeland Security "class" (was a class within a class) the KKK is waning. Most of the other white supremacy groups gain many members from prisons and such where most of the groups started probably from getting raped in prison.

[Mizango]

Yeah, well the "redneck" comment wasn't to be taken literally at all, my apologies if it came off as such, you are just a hardworking individual and can respect that tenfold. It was as you worded it, white trash, that I was referring to. My dad's entire side of the family is from Alabama and Mississippi, so I know first hand what you are referring to.

[Remyo]

Yeah, well the "redneck" comment wasn't to be taken literally at all, my apologies if it came off as such, you are just a hardworking individual and can respect that tenfold. It was as you worded it, white trash, that I was referring to. My dad's entire side of the family is from Alabama and Mississippi, so I know first hand what you are referring to.

didn't take offense to it. Just wanted to add my 2 cents.

[Howard Roark]

and you can't really band together like hispanics/asians can.

If you meant band together into a group for their common interests, then noooooooooo lol. Most latin americans/caribbeans hate the shit out of the Spaniards, and even less so for the Asians lol.

oh god, China and Japan, lol

holy crap yes

there is so much racism in the asian community it's not even funny

my girlfriend is filipino and there is racism of sorts between people 'born-there' and not AND THEYRE THE SAME RACE lol

and apparently theres big tensions between chinese and japanese but i cant recall the details as to who despises who more or if at all

as a white person growing up in a small town til age 6, i thought of all asians (and by asian i mean chinese japanese korean tibetan vietnamese laosian [sp?] not indians turkmeni etc) were 'chinese'

i live in toronto (180+ cultures) and i can now spot the differences beteen korean people chinese people japanese etc quite easily, filipino are the easiest imo but anyway it's still a bit hard to let go of that idea of 'chinese' from my childhood and realize alot of these groups dont get along at all

[Tricen]

I hate rednecks. There was a lot around where I loved too, so it was like, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. They tend to be loud, and obnoxious. Really loud and obnoxious. Apparently they think their grossly uneducated opinion is valid and evvveeerryyyoooneeee has to hear it. They are like, really dumb alpha-male-esque vaginas.

You mean like members of your LS?

Yes, LOH, much like my LS. Thanks for pointing that out in a general discussion thread completely unrelated to FFXI.

[Jerseyprophet]

Though I am a fan of both Edward Norton, and the movie itself, I do want to point out one thing that people seem to make the mistake of confusing all the time.


I was born in mother Germany, and am 100% German. Nazi Germany, white power advocates, etc. are an embarrasment to Germans. German hertigage DOES NOT mean a hatred for .....anything. Every country has it's sad moments. Germans and NAZI GERMANY are two completely different things.


I say that because the white power idiots use the symbols of my country's former military as their symbol of hatred and intollerance and it often confuses people.

I have a bumper sticker on my Jeep that says "German Pride". I've had people actually tell me that it offends them. I reply to that "It offends me that you are offended".

[Andarvi]

Though I am a fan of both Edward Norton, and the movie itself, I do want to point out one thing that people seem to make the mistake of confusing all the time.


I was born in mother Germany, and am 100% German. Nazi Germany, white power advocates, etc. are an embarrasment to Germans. German hertigage DOES NOT mean a hatred for .....anything. Every country has it's sad moments. Germans and NAZI GERMANY are two completely different things.


I say that because the white power idiots use the symbols of my country's former military as their symbol of hatred and intollerance and it often confuses people.

I have a bumper sticker on my Jeep that says "German Pride". I've had people actually tell me that it offends them. I reply to that "It offends me that you are offended".

Yeah, its the unfortunate outcome of being this country's enemy for two world wars, one of which had one of the worse regimes in the history of man. Not to mention that there are still WWII soldiers alive now. Those memories are still fresh and sadly the main image to not just America but to the world of Germany is still that swastika (to uneducated people at least).

It will eventually change though, and you are completely right for saying every country has serious blemishes on their record that often get overlooked, like Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, and the rest of the European countries that participated in that little thing called Colonialism. Its interesting that many countries were only released from British control within the last 50 years, shit Hong Kong just 10 years ago, but those countries still dont have a symbol or image like that of Nazi Germany.

[Shuemue]

but those countries still dont have a symbol or image like that of Nazi Germany.

Probably because conquest and empire aren't quite as barbaric as the holocaust.

[riddaraan]

Though I am a fan of both Edward Norton, and the movie itself, I do want to point out one thing that people seem to make the mistake of confusing all the time.


I was born in mother Germany, and am 100% German. Nazi Germany, white power advocates, etc. are an embarrasment to Germans. German hertigage DOES NOT mean a hatred for .....anything. Every country has it's sad moments. Germans and NAZI GERMANY are two completely different things.


I say that because the white power idiots use the symbols of my country's former military as their symbol of hatred and intollerance and it often confuses people.

I have a bumper sticker on my Jeep that says "German Pride". I've had people actually tell me that it offends them. I reply to that "It offends me that you are offended".

I was going to be a rude ass and fix some of your statements, but I'll tell you what I experienced while in Germany. Grant it, I was only there for a short time, but Klone & Dusseldorf (sp?) were completely filled with America-hating, rude assholes. It seemed pretty obvious to me that what the Germans were "embarassed" about was getting their asses kicked (although they did some short-term ass kicking in their hay-day) by the rest of the world, and then being forced to live in memory of it. I know that the US was an occupying force for a long time, so perhaps that's where the rude-nature came in, but even in Japan, which was occupied by the US, they are quite able to feign politeness to foreigners.

If Turkey serves as any example of humanity, in reference to their slaughter of the Armenians years ago, which they now denied ever even happened, proves that a country would rather deny their transgressions than apologize for them.

Similarly, in the United States, we treated Japanese Americans with nearly as foul treatment as POWs in Vietnam during World War II. So don't get me wrong and think I'm saying the US is all peachy. But I found it pretty shocking how rude to outsiders Germans were, in general. Perhaps its just the area I was in.

I noticed the same thing when I lived in Western Australia. They fucking HATED foreigners. But in places like Sydney, they were very nice & polite. Perhaps I'm missing something. But I'm still pretty sure that Germans more or less look at the war itself as an embarassment.

[Eaglestrike]

I hate rednecks. There was a lot around where I loved too, so it was like, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. They tend to be loud, and obnoxious. Really loud and obnoxious. Apparently they think their grossly uneducated opinion is valid and evvveeerryyyoooneeee has to hear it. They are like, really dumb alpha-male-esque vaginas.

You mean like members of your LS?

Yes, LOH, much like my LS. Thanks for pointing that out in a general discussion thread completely unrelated to FFXI.

Sorry, was just too funny that you made that comment. Especially since a member of your LS got banned from BG for similar reasons you were saying you disliked quite recently, lol.

[Tricen]

I hate rednecks. There was a lot around where I loved too, so it was like, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. They tend to be loud, and obnoxious. Really loud and obnoxious. Apparently they think their grossly uneducated opinion is valid and evvveeerryyyoooneeee has to hear it. They are like, really dumb alpha-male-esque vaginas.

You mean like members of your LS?

Yes, LOH, much like my LS. Thanks for pointing that out in a general discussion thread completely unrelated to FFXI.

Sorry, was just too funny that you made that comment. Especially since a member of your LS got banned from BG for similar reasons you were saying you disliked quite recently, lol.

FFXI != Real life. Do you have some vendetta that you wont let go?

[Charla]

I hate rednecks. There was a lot around where I loved too, so it was like, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. They tend to be loud, and obnoxious. Really loud and obnoxious. Apparently they think their grossly uneducated opinion is valid and evvveeerryyyoooneeee has to hear it. They are like, really dumb alpha-male-esque vaginas.

You mean like members of your LS?

Yes, LOH, much like my LS. Thanks for pointing that out in a general discussion thread completely unrelated to FFXI.

Sorry, was just too funny that you made that comment. Especially since a member of your LS got banned from BG for similar reasons you were saying you disliked quite recently, lol.

FFXI != Real life.

The Internet != Real life.

[archibaldcrane]

I have a bumper sticker on my Jeep that says "German Pride". I've had people actually tell me that it offends them. I reply to that "It offends me that you are offended".

Yeah, its the unfortunate outcome of being this country's enemy for two world wars, one of which had one of the worse regimes in the history of man. Not to mention that there are still WWII soldiers alive now.

Like my grandfather. There aren't too many left though - my grandfather just got a letter telling him that the organization for former members of his battleship, the USS Arkansas was being disbanded...because there's only 3 dozen of them left

He had to take his glasses off to wipe the tears from his eyes while my grandma read the letter to him. (by the way, if I ever act again and need to get misty-eyed, this is the moment I will use)

That being said, rock that bumper sticker, if only to counter people who say they are offended. Don't tip-toe, attack these things.

[isladar]

I am German, my father born there (Bavarian, or as he likes to say "Soooouthern Germany" like Scarlett O'Hara) -- and I have a great deal of pride for my heritage. I can say heritage, having been there innumerable times, visiting family, staying in our home town.. none of that includes the Nazi regime. My father was a very young boy at the time of WWII (I am a late child in his life), and he talks very little about that time, only how precious food was to himself, his mother, and his older sister.

As far as nationalism.. that's the real scare in Germany. I remember cousins coming over to the States to visit, and seeing all the American flags posted as far as the eye could see. They were shocked. "We don't do that at home," they said. They were surprised I had a unified German flag patch sewn to my pants. Nationalism over there, taken to an extreme, smacks far too closely to National Socialism.

[Shuemue]

my grandfather just got a letter telling him that the organization for former members of his battleship, the USS Arkansas was being disbanded...because there's only 3 dozen of them left

That's a fucking disgrace imo, that kind of thing should be government funded while even one of them is still alive.

[Tyche]

I'm really really country. Not redneck, but just really country. I have a really hick accent. The problem I have is when people confuse country and assume the redneck stereotype. (from western KY btw)

[archibaldcrane]

my grandfather just got a letter telling him that the organization for former members of his battleship, the USS Arkansas was being disbanded...because there's only 3 dozen of them left

That's a fucking disgrace imo, that kind of thing should be government funded while even one of them is still alive.

He actually paid $15 a year or something to continue getting the newsletter, up until that letter arrived.

[Mizango]

my grandfather just got a letter telling him that the organization for former members of his battleship, the USS Arkansas was being disbanded...because there's only 3 dozen of them left

That's a fucking disgrace imo, that kind of thing should be government funded while even one of them is still alive.

QFT.