Randomer Question Thread

[Callisto]

Am I missing something, or are there absolutely 0 pieces of gear outside of Deadeye Gloves or Mercernary's Dasatanas that are even remotely useful as RNG hands between Noct+1 at 30 and CFG's at 73?

[Ferien]

Am I missing something, or are there absolutely 0 pieces of gear outside of Deadeye Gloves or Mercernary's Dasatanas that are even remotely useful as RNG hands between Noct+1 at 30 and CFG's at 73?

Pretty sure that's it. Having the same trouble with my COR.

[ringthree]

Am I missing something, or are there absolutely 0 pieces of gear outside of Deadeye Gloves or Mercernary's Dasatanas that are even remotely useful as RNG hands between Noct+1 at 30 and CFG's at 73?

I used Jaridah Bazubands, but Akinji Bazubands are better than Noct +1.

[Callisto]

Am I missing something, or are there absolutely 0 pieces of gear outside of Deadeye Gloves or Mercernary's Dasatanas that are even remotely useful as RNG hands between Noct+1 at 30 and CFG's at 73?

Pretty sure that's it. Having the same trouble with my COR.

I used Deadeyes for COR and they worked fine, but I unloaded them as soon as I hit 73, and I didn't really want to rebuy them.

Completely unrelated, anyone know if Wivre Shield synth requires Smithing sub?

[Ferien]

IIRC, I usually get hit for more than that without a problem (I'll let you know tonight when we do it again). I'd imagine it'd be more of a problem solo, but duo/2box it shouldn't be. Especially on MNK, you should be able to focus almost entirely on the WHM char while you're 2hring.

We do it pretty similarly to what Kionu said, except SAM+WHM. Start with TP, kill the Aqua one (Raging Fists should do a lot more damage than Enpi, so you should be able to rail the Aqua one pretty quickly). Repose/Sleep the mob that pops, 2hr the Red MR, should die before your 2hr is up. A well-geared 2hring MNK will put out a lot more short-term damage than SAM at that level, so it shouldn't be a problem unless the MRs decide to knock you both around everywhere with Empty Seed (happens occasionally, nothing you can do about it.)

Got hit for 113, 115, 131, and 137 from the main, and the others hit me for 62~78. This is SAM/WAR w/ Berserk and meat.

[Kionu]

For what it's worth, when me and a friend duo this (MNK and RDM), I usually let him solo the first MR down while I'm out of range (potions, etc), so I don't get drawn in.

Once it's dead, I run into range, sleep the NM that popped after I see seeds go off, then cure bomb, chainspelling (bene in your case) as needed. No food is usually used at all.

Also, if draw-in happens for any reason, turn and run fast as you can out of range of the empty seeds. I rarely get drawn in more than once at a time, and if you can stabilize yourself you can get a valuable C4 off.

Oh, also he pops hundred fists as soon as he targets the red MR.

Alternatively, you could try using anima, which we did for our first 3 runs or so until we felt comfortable.

To be honest, I don't really see why you would duo it with two jobs that can solo it. The RDM/BLU method is damn near impossible to fail, granted you're actually paying attention to how long you've been in the BC. I would think guaranteeing one win and having a crap-shoot at a second shot would be the better option.

Just IMO

Too much effort for <4k worth of reward. (Toreador's Ring is a myth)

Edit: And I don't have blu sub

[Wizerd]

IIRC, I usually get hit for more than that without a problem (I'll let you know tonight when we do it again). I'd imagine it'd be more of a problem solo, but duo/2box it shouldn't be. Especially on MNK, you should be able to focus almost entirely on the WHM char while you're 2hring.

We do it pretty similarly to what Kionu said, except SAM+WHM. Start with TP, kill the Aqua one (Raging Fists should do a lot more damage than Enpi, so you should be able to rail the Aqua one pretty quickly). Repose/Sleep the mob that pops, 2hr the Red MR, should die before your 2hr is up. A well-geared 2hring MNK will put out a lot more short-term damage than SAM at that level, so it shouldn't be a problem unless the MRs decide to knock you both around everywhere with Empty Seed (happens occasionally, nothing you can do about it.)

There is no way a MNK can kill the red MR before his 2hr is up... I spend at least half of the time trying to get back into range to melee it, giving me maybe 20 seconds of HF.

SAM has a major advantage here because you can choose when to utilize your 2hr. So you can hit your WS macro as soon as you get back in range and have it do damage before you get knocked out again, and you get 30 seconds to get 3 weapon skills in before your 2hr finishes. It only takes 6-7 seconds to actually expend that TP after using the 2hr.

I will try keeping the WHM char back a little further and running in to sleep the boss after seeing Empty Seeds go off. I think my problem last time was that the WHM got hit by the red MR's seed, so I never got a chance to originally cast. If I can sleep the boss thing, I can kill the red MR, I know that much.

[Shuemue]

If a lazy player were to level warrior but didn't want to level samurai sub yet, would there be any stages where g.axe would outshine axe/axe if the lazy player went from 37-75 as war/nin?

[Bakthi]

If a lazy player were to level warrior but didn't want to level samurai sub yet, would there be any stages where g.axe would outshine axe/axe if the lazy player went from 37-75 as war/nin?

I'm going /NIN until 70 because my LS static is RDM BLM BRD WAR WAR THF, and I'm pretty sure Seigen-less Third Eye isn't going to cut it for bouncing hate, even with Carnage Elegy. The other WAR is using axe/axe because his gaxe is too underleveled, but I've been using gaxe since hitting 60 (61 now). Our THF just hit 60 as our last party ended, so he was still doing SATA+WS on the other WAR, with me doing the initial voke. Once I learned Raging Rush, it was really a tossup where the hate was slanted on a per-mob basis. So I'm thinking that my plan to use gaxe for everything but 54-59 (I have two axe merits) is sound, even with no /SAM until 70. It is a darn shame, too, since WAR can get a 6-hit at level 60, but such is life.

(My SAM is almost 35 at the moment; it's gotten there via a combination of WotG soloing, pet soloing, Campaign Ops, and a LS trio on pets and worms. SAM is pretty good at taking on pets as /BLU, or worms as /DNC. Yeah, I go to some lengths to avoid pickup exp.)

[Therin]

If a lazy player were to level warrior but didn't want to level samurai sub yet, would there be any stages where g.axe would outshine axe/axe if the lazy player went from 37-75 as war/nin?

WAR/MNK -> 30, switch to WAR/THF.

WAR/THF -> 55, switch to WAR/NIN dual axes.

WAR/NIN (dual-wielding) -> 70, switch to WAR/SAM.

WAR/SAM -> Ridill.

Basically. If you insist on Great Axe only, then you can just extend the WAR/THF stage or switch to WAR/NIN and just be gimpy. You'll be out on the benefits of Hasso but it's not huge. Also, WAR/SAM 70+ is the best possible combo unless you have a Ridill and even then it's still better in most situations.

[Shuemue]

I don't have /thf levelled either, so I'll just gimp it up war/nin and keep both axe & g.axe levelled, then get /sam later.

Of course, I'm so lazy I'll probably wake up and fancy a different job tomorrow.

[Silpha]

There is no way a MNK can kill the red MR before his 2hr is up...

Huh ?
I'm usually allmost one shotting Aqua MR as you have time to boost like a mofo; so when i engage on red MR i have like 20 ish tp. Pop hundred fists, hits hits hits hits, raging fist when tp, and red MR is usually:
1) dead way before hundred fists wear off or 100tp came back again; if you been a lucky mofo evading empty seed, having lots double attack, crits, whatnot... (happened one time were i only had to use chakra, found that pretty neat)
2) dead like 1-2 attack round and/or WS after hundred fists wear off cause you bounced in every corner of the arena and had to spam potions.

Sure, sometimes you cant move a finger as they time seeds way too separatly. That's usually the only reason you die in. But after like 20 runs (with no drop obviously), its really not a hard enm to solo.

Or you can try the lazy method i'm sometimes use when I, well, feels lazy
I wing, raging fist aqua. run around looking for an inocupated corner. die. reraise, wait 5 min, pop hundred fists, run straight to red. sometimes kills it before it even does first empty seed

[Wizerd]

There is no way a MNK can kill the red MR before his 2hr is up...

Huh ?
I'm usually allmost one shotting Aqua MR as you have time to boost like a mofo; so when i engage on red MR i have like 20 ish tp. Pop hundred fists, hits hits hits hits, raging fist when tp, and red MR is usually:
1) dead way before hundred fists wear off or 100tp came back again; if you been a lucky mofo evading empty seed, having lots double attack, crits, whatnot... (happened one time were i only had to use chakra, found that pretty neat)
2) dead like 1-2 attack round and/or WS after hundred fists wear off cause you bounced in every corner of the arena and had to spam potions.

Unfortunately, that requires the MR not doing Empty Seed long enough to actually use HF (which lasts 45 seconds). The first Empty Seed typically comes just as I'm engaging the red one, for me. Even if I can get on the red one sooner, the Empty Seed will follow close after. Then you get knocked back and the brigade of knockbacks start, and you get maybe 20 seconds of HF on the thing in total as I described above.

Sure, sometimes you cant move a finger as they time seeds way too separatly. That's usually the only reason you die in. But after like 20 runs (with no drop obviously), its really not a hard enm to solo.

Or you can try the lazy method i'm sometimes use when I, well, feels lazy
I wing, raging fist aqua. run around looking for an inocupated corner. die. reraise, wait 5 min, pop hundred fists, run straight to red. sometimes kills it before it even does first empty seed

Does the red MR not draw you in at this point? I thought as soon as you aggrod it, it could draw you in, but if it requires hitting it first then I might try this.

Both my character and my wife's character have MNK so if I can solo it then I'd like to do it on both, for double the chances. I just don't see how it's done, yet, maybe only due to bad luck.

[spooky]

Do you loose AF items in storage / AH items / or d.box items when you world shift?

[Ferien]

You lose AH and DBox items, but it should keep stored items. Stored AF is controlled by the key item, and since that migrates with you, it shouldn't be an issue.

[Silpha]

Unfortunately, that requires the MR not doing Empty Seed long enough to actually use HF (which lasts 45 seconds). The first Empty Seed typically comes just as I'm engaging the red one, for me. Even if I can get on the red one sooner, the Empty Seed will follow close after. Then you get knocked back and the brigade of knockbacks start, and you get maybe 20 seconds of HF on the thing in total as I described above.

I'm fighting this with autotarget, so when i'm Draw in i just tap 2 times 'S' (playing on keyboard) to make me do a step back and keep punching. As much as empty seed send you far away, draw in saves lots of time to get you right at MR. And as you're under hundred fist, you got lots hits going on untill next empty seed.
But as stated allready, sometimes is a run where seeds are not 'timed' (aka your brigade of knockbacks), cant really do anything when it happens. You just been unlucky if it was your only experience with it ^^'

Or you can try the lazy method i'm sometimes use when I, well, feels lazy
I wing, raging fist aqua. run around looking for an inocupated corner. die. reraise, wait 5 min, pop hundred fists, run straight to red. sometimes kills it before it even does first empty seed

Does the red MR not draw you in at this point? I thought as soon as you aggrod it, it could draw you in, but if it requires hitting it first then I might try this.

Well, not like it requires being hit for waking up, but if you are in a place with no agro, you can draw weapons, use food and activate every JA/2hour without being in agro range. Then when you run to him, by the time it agro, "activate" itself, and begin to empty seed, you are allready beating the hell out of it, maybe sometimes allready killed it. This being as i said sooner, with autotarget on (the one in config menu, or 'H' on keyboard), so if MR is stupid enough to draw in, it just made you reach it even faster

That's everything i know about this ENM. I died my share doing it the 'normal' way, and even doing the reraise way (gotta love waiting in a corner to be killed with 45 hp, only being miss by Contemplator, miss by empty seed, miss again by Contemplator, then drawed in in the middle and killed here :D ); but after some runs, you'll find it an really easy way to try for a T.ring without having to wait for anybody ^^

[spooky]

You lose AH and DBox items, but it should keep stored items. Stored AF is controlled by the key item, and since that migrates with you, it shouldn't be an issue.

I'm going to cry if you're wrong because I have too much AF to take it all out of storage lol... Might just take the important ones out just incase. >.>

[XanthePandy]

How do Elemental Staves apply to the damage of Nukes? I know they do... just have no idea why I came to that conclusion or what I can do to test it.

[Ferien]

How do Elemental Staves apply to the damage of Nukes? I know they do... just have no idea why I came to that conclusion or what I can do to test it.

Straight percentage increase to the damage of the nuke, applied before (really? I thought it was after...) all other bonuses come into play. NQ is 10%, HQ is 15%.

[Suiram]

It's before most of them yeah, but what's most important for practical purposes is that it's independent of the rest of them, so you get the full 10%/15% bonus.