Randomer Question Thread

[Spekkio]

wamoura is a test of listening, gears is a test of patience. wamoura is pretty straightforward. train path to zone, train moth to zone, zone popped babies (nobody rests on the way or puller is out of party), keep dispelled, beat on moth till dead, zoning if you get hate. someone points it the wrong way or starts fighting the babies and it can get messy, but fairly easy even still. gears fight is kite, nuke w/ superior element to enspell till 50%, then beat it to hell. iirc, it's about 20-30 min per gear (more if you have less manpower) while moth can be crushed in maybe half that time.

[Max™]

Wonder if a War with a super-enmity build and Hermes could kite Armed Gears?

[Valyana]

I doubt you could hold hate off the BLMs for long with just JAs. IMO BLMs trading hate works pretty well as long as they know how to kite around poles to keep their distance, though it's nice to have a tank to get back hate.

I don't see why the tank needs to kite though. I'd imagine a NIN/DRK or RDM/NIN would do fine holding it, but I haven't tried either of those. NIN/WAR did OK early on, but couldn't keep up with the BLMs after a while.

[Seraph]

I doubt you could hold hate off the BLMs for long with just JAs. IMO BLMs trading hate works pretty well as long as they know how to kite around poles to keep their distance, though it's nice to have a tank to get back hate.

I don't see why the tank needs to kite though. I'd imagine a NIN/DRK or RDM/NIN would do fine holding it, but I haven't tried either of those. NIN/WAR did OK early on, but couldn't keep up with the BLMs after a while.

The only way I can see something like a WAR working on keeping hate in this fight is with a solid +Enmity set, and the BRD hate loss reduction song stacked on top of it. Provoke on its own just prevents VE loss over time, so other JA's, +Enmity, and the reduction of lost VE from the BRD song (Does it actually work yet? I recall testing saying it was broken) would be vital.

I would worry about the healers keeping the WAR alive too. One bad series of cycles can make you take a few hits from AG, and then the mages have to cure you back up which can cause hate problems too...

[Callisto]

Do any bards even merit that song? >.>;

[Drex]

We always had one pld/nin straight tank gears and it was a joke, don't know why you would kite. If you kite, sometimes mages are in aoe range sometimes they aren't, so you're risking rail cannon. If you straight tank and hold it still, mages can chill out of aoe range. Just don't tp burn it and you're golden.

[Max™]

Smart bards do 5 Troub 1 Night, and then 3 one and 1 the other, as I understand it.

I'm a good kiter (been dealing with kiting without movement speed, the other night I was bumming a pair of hermes and when a couple people aggroed some gears in Nyzul I just kited everything on the floor til we warped up.... I mean EVERYTHING :D) but if I had to give up my sub for /Nin it would probably hinder me.

If I was able to War/Bst in my +40 Enm build I could keep hate between voke/charm spam, but that's only if I could keep away from them.

Voke/Toma + opening with a big 2hr WS would let me keep hate for a looooooooooooooooooong time, but I won't know til I really get a chance to try.

I know I was screwing around with my Pld/Rdm friend, and with him spamming blind/dispels in his NOT FULL ENMITY SET (only like +12 Enm for him), and me voking/tomahawking after a big WS, I was able to keep hate off him for a while.

[Callisto]

Smart bards do 5 Troub 1 Night, and then 3 one and 1 the other, as I understand it.

I've honestly never seen a real use for either song and felt 5 Troub/5 Night was the way to go. The enmity decay- song is probably going to be inferior to some sort of march/ballad combo for your tanks, the enmity- song is going to gimp your DDs and shouldn't really be needed for your mages if they don't play retardedly, and they would likely get more from the extra 1mp/tick anyways.

[Wulfgang]

Voke/Toma + opening with a big 2hr WS would let me keep hate for a looooooooooooooooooong time

It's initial DEF would drop your WS damage considerably and take a few of those o's off "long."

[Callisto]

What's the windower command that unloads all plugins to avoid the /shutdown crash? Someone posted it in Newbie like a week ago and I cannot find it for my life

[nekura]

plugin_unloadall

[Callisto]

ahhhh it was the 'plugin' part I was missing, thanks a bunch.

[Thorny]

Voke/Toma + opening with a big 2hr WS would let me keep hate for a looooooooooooooooooong time, but I won't know til I really get a chance to try.

IIRC, FG was hitting 50s with mighty strikes up and occasional 0s without last time I did gears(with minuet, zerk, hasso, dia 2..).. a 2hr WS won't do all that much with jack shit pdif and at least 50% damage reduction post-tomahawk.

[Max™]

Ah, never hit him before, I only know the normal gears are plenty squishy.

[Valyana]

I have 3 Sirvente merits. I've used it occasionally for PLD/WAR bloodtanks in Dynamis (he seemed to think it helped) and NIN/WAR on Faf trying to cotank with a PLD/NIN getting March/Ballad. All in all I'd rather have those merits back.

I kept meaning to delevel Sirvente and put those levels toward Troubadour, but then they raised the type 2 merit cap so I just took Troub up instead. Maybe after I finish meriting my other jobs I'll move my Sirvente merits to Nightingale.

[Spekkio]

Ah, never hit him before, I only know the normal gears are plenty squishy.

AG is about as close to a normal gear as temperance is to a normal pot.

[SamanosukeShiva]

Wonder if a War with a super-enmity build and Hermes could kite Armed Gears?

well definetly cant open 2hr WS on armed gear since it got shit ton of def

[Max™]

Yeah, was said a couple times.

Is /Nin utterly required if you have movement speed/good kiting skill?

War/Bst fucking PUMPS hate if you can reliably blink the animations for Voke/Charm away.

Voke
Charm
Charm
Charm
Voke
Charm, etc.

[SamanosukeShiva]

probably not required if you can outrun the tier4 spells

also cast bio3/sleep but dont think that'll be much of a problem

[Max™]

Hmmm, that's interesting then.

As I said, I have a lot of practice kiting shit without movement +, so with hermes I felt like jesus suddenly, walking on water and laughing as things chase me futilely.