Randomer Question Thread

[Aragon of Odin]

Drops from all "Aura Statues" only in sky.

They changed that I do believe. We used to farm Dio while waiting for Zip to spawn but don't believe they drop there anymore. Only 2 places I'm aware of is in Ullis room and near the Celestial Nexxus(SP) zone.

[Omniyoji]

They changed that I do believe. We used to farm Dio while waiting for Zip to spawn but don't believe they drop there anymore. Only 2 places I'm aware of is in Ullis room and near the Celestial Nexxus(SP) zone.

hence why I put "quotation marks" on "Aura Statues". You're thinking of Enkidus........................................... .....................................

[Vlint]

I believe you also need to re-get all the coffer AF before you can wipe your memory again.

Thanks! I tried this, and everything worked out. I was under the false impression that you could just do the AF's gotten from quests and be done with it.

[Max™]

Why does the game treat the "ammo slot" equipment like other visible equipable areas (main, sub, head, body, hands, legs, and feet) when you can't actually see it on the character?

If you didn't understand that... I'm talking about blinking when removing or equipping gear in Ammo slot.

Judging from some NPC's in cses, I think bows were going to be visible at one point early in development, and never got changed from the blinking model list.

[Amele]

Judging from some NPC's in cses, I think bows were going to be visible at one point early in development, and never got changed from the blinking model list.

probably when they started bumping into those ever present ps2 limitations... lol

[tonystigma]

That'd explain why Semih Lafihna has her bow visible.

[arshesney]

Why does the game treat the "ammo slot" equipment like other visible equipable areas (main, sub, head, body, hands, legs, and feet) when you can't actually see it on the character?

If you didn't understand that... I'm talking about blinking when removing or equipping gear in Ammo slot.

Because it probably pre-loads the animation for throwing (or a placeholder in the case of non throwable item).
I.E. equip bomb arm/grenade/dart and you'll notice that the item is shown briefly in the throwing animation.

[Sanjiyan]

I believe you also need to re-get all the coffer AF before you can wipe your memory again.

Actually you only have to complete the AF3 (or whichever piece requires the BC or fight to get) before you are flagged for AF quest completion, at which point it's possible to erase your memory. This means that the 2 other AF pieces that require coffer hunting isn't really needed.

[Valyana]

Actually you only have to complete the AF3 (or whichever piece requires the BC or fight to get) before you are flagged for AF quest completion, at which point it's possible to erase your memory.

This is what Vlint said he had already done in his first post ("Circle of Time" is BRD AF3). Seems that wasn't enough, but re-getting the coffer AF did the trick.

[dejet]

>.> i cant find the post about the max exp/hr for bird camp anyone no off the top of their head with a cor what max exp/hr can be? friend is telling me he did 32k in 45min and i no its bull shit lol.

[Amele]

>.> i cant find the post about the max exp/hr for bird camp anyone no off the top of their head with a cor what max exp/hr can be? friend is telling me he did 32k in 45min and i no its bull shit lol.

with cor roll? that makes it complicated.

you've got 21 total spawns, one camp is 10, the other camp is 11. we'll assume he's at the 11 spawn camp. the respawn is 5 minutes per. this means that you've got a maximum kill speed of one bird every 27.3 seconds or you'll eventually run your chain out. given that he's only going for 45 minutes, they could kill at exactly 27 seconds average, but would eventually lose chain at the 45 minute mark when they had to wait more than 30 seconds for another bird to spawn. but we'll do one better:

1) they were able to reliably pull one extra bird from another camp,
2) this extra bird allows them to kill at a speed of exactly 25 seconds.


they'll kill 108 birds in 45, 103 of them at chain 5+ (full bonus) + bonus XP from full sanction + cor roll.

average cor roll xp bonus is complicated, so I'm not particularly keen to figure it out; we'll give your friend the median result for 5+ which is 16%. the actual result will vary slightly from this depending on how willing you are to risk a bust.

so a chain 5+ bird at level 82 is worth 126*1.15*1.16*1.5 = 250xp/kill.*
a chain 5+ bird at level 81 is worth 112*1.15*1.16*1.5 = 222xp/kill.

the mix of 81 to 82 birds is about 50/50 at these camps, so figure 103 birds at 5+ would be around 24k xp. (24308)

then add in the 5 non-chain birds - we'll be favorable and assume they were all level 82: 167+200+208+217+233 = 829xp for a grand total of 25,137xp in 45 minutes. we can be generous and add in a double emperor charge for a total of 29,137.

in order to get to 32,000 the cor roll would need to average ~29%.. which isn't feasible.

other options include pulling more than 12 birds - but I've pulled that camp, and getting even 12 takes some luck. (a 13th bird would get you another 2k in 45 minutes provided you could get a bird to camp every 23 seconds)

so, it is theoretically possible to hit 32k in 45 minutes? yes.* It is something you can do unless you literally have all 21 spawns entirely to yourself and Jesus himself as your puller? probably not.



*there may be a flooring error of <=2xp on these particular formulae, depending on the exact order of application of the xp bonuses.

*normal sustained rate for the better camp is about 24k/hr excluding exp tricks like cor roll and exp bands; these aren't actually the *best* xp/hr available in XI afaik; just the most accessible 20k+ camp.

[Valyana]

Was your friend killing Wivre?

[ubermonkey]

Edit: Scooooped.

[Amele]

Was your friend killing Wivre?

Wivre are almost never worth it (if you have a nuts party you can kill them fast enough, but then you should probably be doing MMJ somewhere instead anyway...)

I believe the average bonus for a conservative cor roll (double up 4- only, stay on lucky 5, don't double up on 6 to guarantee no bust) is 15.57; based on my less than stellar combinatorial workup. this is close enough to my assumed median that it shouldn't change my result.

[Kroot]

Wivre are almost never worth it (if you have a nuts party you can kill them fast enough, but then you should probably be doing MMJ somewhere instead anyway...)

I believe the average bonus for a conservative cor roll (double up 4- only, stay on lucky 5, don't double up on 6 to guarantee no bust) is 15.57; based on my less than stellar combinatorial workup. this is close enough to my assumed median that it shouldn't change my result.

The way I like to do wivre is space the amount i need to keep chain out between birds. I call out that I am going to pull wivre and make sure people keep 100% tp as the bird dies so everyone can WS at the start of the wivre. This will take off a large chunk of hp and keep chains on track.

[Amele]

The way I like to do wivre is space the amount i need to keep chain out between birds. I call out that I am going to pull wivre and make sure people keep 100% tp as the bird dies so everyone can WS at the start of the wivre. This will take off a large chunk of hp and keep chains on track.

it's not a matter of keeping chain, really. you can take twice as long on a wivre vs. a bird, and keep chain - but you'll lose xp/hr because you can kill birds literally twice as fast as necessary to keep chain.

the issue is when you have a pt that's pulling too fast for birds to respawn, but you should try to stick to a 27 second kill time anyway, unless you can get it down to <25 (and even then you're only going to want to kill 1 wivre every ~15 minutes or so)

if you've got a group that can kill wivres in pretty much 30 seconds you should be rolling out to a camp with IT mobs instead of VT birds and smash them for 30 seconds (MMJ etc.)

[Thorny]

minor thing, but calling them a 5 minute repop for math is inaccurate
outdoor mobs have a 5 minute timer before they're allowed to repop, but the server only checks which timers are up and spawns mobs in 30 second intervals so realistically they're more like 5 min 15 seconds assuming an even distribution of kills/time intervals

[Callisto]

Isn't clearing mission 8-2 the only requirement needed to enter the West door in Hu'xzoi? We just cleared it for a friend, and his log shows him as being on 8-3, but it still won't let him enter.

[Amele]

minor thing, but calling them a 5 minute repop for math is inaccurate
outdoor mobs have a 5 minute timer before they're allowed to repop, but the server only checks which timers are up and spawns mobs in 30 second intervals so realistically they're more like 5 min 15 seconds assuming an even distribution of kills/time intervals

yeah but it's a simplification for the fact that I didn't account for the first 11 already being popped. the accumulated error over 45 minutes isn't that large anyway. (it slows your infinitely sustainable kill speed by just over 1 second, which won't accumulate to a chain-break until 1 hour has passed.) my exp/hr estimate using a 5 minute solution would be 'high' by 1 mob kill (about 236xp on average) for any given hour that didn't include the first.

the first hour, I'm technically low by about 10 mobs (~2300xp) because you get a full set of them when you start.

[Eldelphia]

Isn't clearing mission 8-2 the only requirement needed to enter the West door in Hu'xzoi? We just cleared it for a friend, and his log shows him as being on 8-3, but it still won't let him enter.

I think one of my guys had the same problem and it was as simple as a cutscene at the beginning of 8-3. I think you have to check the Gate of the Gods first or do both CS first.