Randomer Question Thread

[Ezhno]

Breeze, Snow, Flame and Soil cover all important WSs besides Penta Thrust which requires Shadow.

Ah so I need 4 (or maybe even 5?). I had heard you could do it in 3 and I was really hoping that'd be true.

[Raen Ryong]

Unless I'm really mistaken, I don't think there's another way

[zoura]

question:- for THF ws damage, stacked with sneak attack only, would amemet mantle+1 get more damage than commander's cape? similarly, would dex rings be better for ws+sa? or would str rings result in higher damage?

[Raen Ryong]

question:- for THF ws damage, stacked with sneak attack only, would amemet mantle+1 get more damage than commander's cape? similarly, would dex rings be better for ws+sa? or would str rings result in higher damage?

1. Amemet Mantle +1 should produce more damage in most situations.
2. DEX > STR on all THF WSs but Mercy Stroke in equal quantities, generally speaking.

[Wolfknight]

Unless I'm really mistaken, I don't think there's another way

shadow + thunder+ snow + flame covers all almost but lolrampage, and Dancing Edge, where as breeze + soil + snow + flame misses penta and few other.

[Raen Ryong]

Which others does it miss? :O I was only aware it missed Penta.

[Wolfknight]

Skewer[not big deal if have drakesbane], Penta Thrust, Howling Fists, and Raging Fists[not huge deal for mnk but is for pup] those 4 mainly.

[Raen Ryong]

Yeah, I didn't think of Skewer and Raging Fists

[Cream Soda]

1. Amemet Mantle +1 should produce more damage in most situations.
2. DEX > STR on all THF WSs but Mercy Stroke in equal quantities, generally speaking.

Even on unstacked ws?

[Pirian]

Can Velocity belt be synthesized into Sonic Belt?

[Darlantan]

Its called Velocious belt, and nope. <.<

[Raen Ryong]

Even on unstacked ws?

Yeah, in that case you get roughly equal offensive gains from both but DEX gives you acc whereas STR gives you atk, where generally speaking acc > atk.

[Cream Soda]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but dont' the WS mods only apply to the first hit where as the str would apply to all hits, or is that only the FTP thing associated with 100 200 300 tp?

[Raen Ryong]

WSC applies to all hits, the only term specific to the first hit is fTP (possibly accuracy/attack bonuses too but this is unconfirmed).

[Cream Soda]

Ah damn, really? hmm wonder why I thought otherwise this whole time.

Edit: Hmm wouldn't anything with 30%+ as a mod and the ws didn't also have str as a mod be better as good/better than str to stack?

[Pindle]

Do the Smn blood pacts work off the same tiered TP scale as WSes do (100%, 200%, and 300%), or is the strength of the BPs factored on a point-by-point basis (i.e. 135tp vs 145tp for damage potential).

[Pendulum]

I'm pretty sure weaponskills work point-by-point too, that's why you see a lot of rangers holding off on slugwinder till 150%.

[Byrthnoth]

If I'm not mistaken, WSes don't work on a tiered scale either. They're just linearly interpolated between 100%, 200%, and 300%. So, for instance, Ground Strike has an fTP of:
100% - 1.5
200% - 1.75
300% - 3.0

So 100 to 200% follows: 1.5+(TP-100)*.0025, or fTP = (.0025*TP + 1.25)
While 200 to 300% follows: 1.75 + (TP-200)*.0125, or fTP = (.0125*TP - .75)

So at 175 TP, Ground Strike has an fTP of 1.68
While at 255 TP, Ground Strike has an fTP of 2.43

Supposedly this works the same way for things like Critical Hit Rate with Rampage and Accuracy Bonus with Penta.


Oh yeah, to address the primary question: Blood pacts work this way too, not counting the level 70 BPs (not affected by TP.)

[Raen Ryong]

Ah damn, really? hmm wonder why I thought otherwise this whole time.

Edit: Hmm wouldn't anything with 30%+ as a mod and the ws didn't also have str as a mod be better as good/better than str to stack?

In terms of raw damage, yeah.

[Apelila]

whats the cut off for mog bonanza? I've been busy for a couple weeks and haven't been able to pay attention / care.