Randomer Question Thread

[Max™]

That is a really good question, didn't the timer get changed after the ADD Tactic was developed?

Bst timer is actually 10 seconds btw, Charm ftw. Can't compare a Bst properly unless you account for being able to have a Leech or a Scorpion beating the shit out of something.

[evilpaul]

I've heard a bunch of people say "lolSushiMNK"... As a career mage with a few melee jobs leveled, I'm curious, outside of a 2-3 Soulvoiced BRD zerg situations, what are the meat build MNKs wearing for what situations? I ask because I seem to have Acc problems with capped merits and decent gear outside of crappy merit camps and a few limbuses.

[Drunkenmonk]

I've heard a bunch of people say "lolSushiMNK"... As a career mage with a few melee jobs leveled, I'm curious, outside of a 2-3 Soulvoiced BRD zerg situations, what are the meat build MNKs wearing for what situations? I ask because I seem to have Acc problems with capped merits and decent gear outside of crappy merit camps and a few limbuses.

if you're eyeballing it 80% acc can seem alot worse than it actually is, the idea is meat does more for total dmg once you hit 80% acc than sushi would by putting you near cap. only thing i can recommend is save focus for problem mobs and make an acc macro to swap in ohat/N kote/usu gote or w/e pieces you dont normally tp in for times you need the acc.

[Bakthi]

BST and PUP are both pet jobs. Without it's pet, though, BST can actually still do half-assed decent damage. Without it's puppet, PUP is like a retarded mnk who thinks he's playing WoW. So why is BST's timer 5 minutes and PUP's timer 20 minutes ?

I'll never understand why people compare PUP and MNK. Anyway, I parsed my pup in merit and dynamis-xarcapard. The melee and range puppet do 1/2 the damage of the master (yep), while the BLM puppet does twice the damage of the master. Comparatively, our BST's damage was evenly split between him and it's pet, so without its pet, BST damage sucks too.

Where did you parse this BST, and at what level? If he was using a native pet, okay, but if he's doing the same amount of damage as a jug pet at 75 (or really, from 55 on) then something is seriously wrong.

As for the BLM puppet, it is indeed hot. We've had it outparse a real BLM on Despot and Ultima. Our main PUP guy has a BB MNK, PLD, NIN, and RDM, so we make fun of him a lot for having such a huge PUP fetish, but we try to let him use it sometimes.

[Innuendo]

That is a really good question, didn't the timer get changed after the ADD Tactic was developed?

Bst timer is actually 10 seconds btw, Charm ftw. Can't compare a Bst properly unless you account for being able to have a Leech or a Scorpion beating the shit out of something.

I expected better of you Max, every noob bst knows it's 15 seconds

[Medivac]

whats the fastest way to skill up thf evasion. (only @247)

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[Ryushii]

whats the fastest way to skill up thf evasion. (only @247)

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-evasion/agi gear if you have it, and go get the crap beaten out of you. A mage friend healing you is nice. I think you can also skill up in besieged, so run and attack a mob no one else is fighting and get hurt a bit. Remember that you get skill ups for evasion by actually being hit, and that you need dc-em+ mobs to cap evasion.

[Phla]

can someone direct me to the thread where it was found ws gorget's acc bonus doesn't effect the hits after the 1st one? for 1st person!!

[Tubbers]

can someone direct me to the thread where it was found ws gorget's acc bonus doesn't effect the hits after the 1st one? for 1st person!!

http://bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=330

[Siralin]

How the fuck do people deal with Gem-Heister Roorooroon in a timely manner in Nyzul....We had him on floor 76 just a bit ago and he was nice enough to run back through an Imp and 2 Psychflayers.....

Edit: Timed out on Cerb @ 23%ish....I hate Magma Hoplon.

[Amele]

can someone direct me to the thread where it was found ws gorget's acc bonus doesn't effect the hits after the 1st one? for 1st person!!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17450&start=330

it's not ever actually been proven beyond the margin of error. of course, this also means that we haven't proven they're actually better to use if you don't have one yet. *shrugs*

[Jaybar]

ow the fuck do people deal with Gem-Heister Roorooroon in a timely manner in Nyzul....We had him on floor 76 just a bit ago and he was nice enough to run back through an Imp and 2 Psychflayers.....

Gravity really helps with those running QQ's. They are pretty slow already, and with Gravity it's pretty much walking speed. We had him a while ago, was no deal because we were in a maze quadrant and he didn't get too far (thankfully no Psycheflayers like you mentioned).

A long time ago we had him again, and his bombs were owning us. But our recent one was a cake-walk.

[Callisto]

How the fuck do people deal with Gem-Heister Roorooroon in a timely manner in Nyzul....We had him on floor 76 just a bit ago and he was nice enough to run back through an Imp and 2 Psychflayers.....

Edit: Timed out on Cerb @ 23%ish....I hate Magma Hoplon.

Gravity and load DoT. That and we just zerg the shit out him. I'm not for sure if he's sleepable or not.

[Max™]

That is a really good question, didn't the timer get changed after the ADD Tactic was developed?

Bst timer is actually 10 seconds btw, Charm ftw. Can't compare a Bst properly unless you account for being able to have a Leech or a Scorpion beating the shit out of something.

I expected better of you Max, every noob bst knows it's 15 seconds

Huh, now, I haven't been on Bst in a long time, but I could swear it was 10 seconds, but hey.

[Ryousuke]

[ok, short answer. by 75, if you're using bow, the standard is to tp in demon and ws in kabura.

long answer...
it depends on your market economy, but firstly, the above poster who suggested obow was 100% right that in meritpo, if you have obow, use obow(except colibri... oddly enough i find myself parsing better with hellfire b/c they resist the acid bolts so heavily, and even as an elvaan in osode and sune-ate, the add-effect on holy bolts get strongly resisted as well... but jesus christ, obow in mire is like deco-weapon-old-school-awesome).

that said, at least on alexander, a stack of scorpion arrows goes for 2k, a stack of demons goes for 3-4k. oddly enough however, a stack of quivers are 16k and 45k respectively. so it can seem somewhat daunting to come up with that kind of money, but while while base damage of ammo matters MUCH more on marksmanship than archery, the fact of the matter is, if you showed up to a meritpo and the war was using a dmg 41 axe(maneater's 49 and woodsville is 50, so that's why i pulled the #41 out of midair... dmb fans can giggle later), wouldn't you be at least a little 'huh?'

no one in this deflationary economy expects a ranger to main kabura arrows full time(and trust me i have tried, and have friends that are smithers and clothcrafters cutting me deals on mats while i made my own ammo, and even for me that's a pinch on the wallet). but demon arrows are pretty much the standard in meritpo(throw in a ppa every 2:30 and you'll do very nicely), and can even save someone's life from the attack down effect! lol. good luck tho... ranger never stops being a difficult job to finance, but if you're married to using a bow in meritpo(which i hope means you're either using sbow or ebow), try to rock the demon arrows.

oh, and one last thing, and this is not directed at you, this is just something i've noticed as someone who is a 75 rng but is also a mage... unless you're at mamool staging point or trolls, never ever sub war if you want your chains to last. i know we all love our flashy shot berserked warcried ppa sidewinder, but especially at birds, subbing war means you either have to hold tp way longer than you should, or you become an mp sink. either way, it lowers the efficiency of the pt ^^

Thanks for the informative answer. ^-^
I do have a VBow, and will probably TP in Demon and WS in Kabura when I meripo then. I haven't been in a proper party for RNG since I dinged 75 nearly 9 months ago really, so I really appreciate the advice on how to perform. n_n;; I shot off my last PPA in a early-70s Mire party while lagging ._. I'm trying to rack up the CP for another one now.
So maybe /WAR only when at Mamool Ja SP or Trolls?

I recently acquired an Obow last time I was back home, and enjoyed its performance in Campaign as a RNG/WHM with a half-assed +19MND build (mithra). In party situation, when subbing /NIN, I'm assuming you meant Holy Bolt / Acid Bolt, especially in the Mire- and not full time darksteel bolting? I don't have Suzy's Sune-ate nor Osode, and will not join a sky shell in the near future (or ever. Restricted playing time sucks.)- should I still go the Holy Bolt + Obow route?

[Martinius]

yes absolutely... and no one would fault you for wsing in demon arrows either... a scorpion arrow has a base dmg of 24, whereas demon has a base of 34. the difference between demon and kabura is less significant(34 vs. 38), so while ideally your barrages and sidewinders would benefit more from the kabura arrows, if you feel the pinch of the wallet, its ok to just stick to demons(and while i think we all agree thant 3/3 into snapshot is excellent, you may want to consider putting a merit or two into recycle, just to keep costs down. flashy should get at least one, but i was never impressed with stealth shot, so my humble opinion would be 3/3 snapshot, 1/3 flashy, 2/3 recycle).

the reason i suggested /war at mamool or trolls is that generally the time you'll spend building tp(vs. the much more malleable imps, flys and colibri), means that by the time you're hitting around 120% tp, you're not blowing your load on a 5% mob, but you're not unloading on a 70% mob either. be careful at mamool if you're pulling wyverns tho, then i'd recommend sticking w/ nin sub, just b/c fang rush will drop a rng.

also +19 mnd is ok for holy bolts. other than greater colibri, or light based mobs like aerns, you're still, even with no mnd, gonna be getting the added effect in the 8-15 range. what my elvaan mnd, plus the 25 i get from osode/suneate, bumps that number up to 20-30 added effect. what i do when i use obow(my preferred method of exp weapon for rng), is i have three macros... one equips acid bolt, af2 feet, and then /ra <t>, the next, for darksteel, does the same, and finally, for holy bolts, is the same macro, but instead of af2 feet, equips sune-ate. i dont know whether they're in your budget, but river gaiters may work nicely there for just a little bump. otherwise, stick to af2 or war boots(you didnt specify what footgear you were wearing).

oh, and if its helpful, as someone who has lost their PPA before, i have three separate macros:
1). unlimited shot. it's /ja "Unlimited Shot" <me> and nothing else
2). PPA. this equips the PPA, and if you're making use of the +40 acc, can be the macro where you swap in wyvern helm or str rings in lieu of r. acc rings.
3) finally, my ws macros are all set up as such:
line one: /p annoying but oddly funny message that im about to fire sidewinder. my current is "[sidewinder] is the 12th cylon." this, for your pt's sake, should not have calls in it.
line two: /equip neck "Breeze Gorget" (or flame gorget for arching arrow)
line three: /ws "Sidewinder" <t>
line four: /wait 3
line five(the most important): /equip ammo

what line five does is remove whatever ammo you have equipped from the slot, so that if you're about to barrage, or need a nick of time shadowbind, you don't lose your PPA.

my barrage macro(barrage and unlimited shot don't stack, it's how many a PPA are lost) automatically equips demon or kabura arrows into my ammo slot before using the JA. my shadowbind macro does the same(tho no use in wasting kaburas on those).

as for your final query, in the mire, you can have absolutely no additional mnd and its not going to change the fact that you're fighting dark based mobs, so your light dmg will still kick ass. just make sure you barrage and ws with darksteel(or the bastok bolt of great missing). the only place i've found i go full darksteel all the time is colibri, b/c being wind based, they resist the hell out of the def. down on acid bolts and they resist holy bolts i guess b/c of it being magic they can't reflect, so they just decide to be all 'fuck yo additional effect.' that's why in my original post, i advocated at colibri camp just rocking a hellfire or ebow. i prefer the hellfire b/c the length of time the mob spends alive, i hate backing up into the sweet spot for ws, so i just fire as much as possible while staying in melee range(use what you like, but once velocity shot was introduced, i sold my kriegsbeil, and just rock a franny/hawkers b/c of the massive delay increase on melee), then take a step back and unload a slugshot. i'd be reticent to use a ebow at colibri b/c of all the moving around, but the low delay means if you've got a /ta <bt> macro to target your next kill that's being pulled, you can set up from 8.5' pretty quickly. oh, and you like firing off your sidewinders at 100tp(150 has always been the traditional, but i find 120 or so to suffice), using demon arrows, you must wear a rajas ring at all times, or you end up at 98% tp per attack round, 97% if you used a PPA for the ws. the +5 store tp, while insignificant, basically will give you 2 free tp in 4 shots, meaning you'll get to 100 without having to fire off an extra shot.

hope this helps and good hunting!

[Wizerd]

The mystery of Be'Ebo Tortoisedriver in Dynamis - Bastok (the BST NM).

There are 2 statues to your east as you're heading north of the AH, and 2 along the far north wall. One is a 20 minute time extension, one is an HP statue, one is an MP statue, and one pops Be'Ebo and his friends. I think today it's relatively accepted that he spawns from the western one on the north wall.

However, after reviewing the DAT files, I found three copies of this NM, his friends, and the HP/MP statues. The NM is only ever seen once per Dynamis run.

Peculiarly, the Effigy Shields (and the little statue) that pop with the boss also have 3 copies, but they are a little different. There are 15, three sets of 5, but there is (I would guess) one of each job. Three of the 15 have their pets listed below them, and I know there aren't 3 pet jobs in the mix normally. Some groups have reported certain jobs missing and other jobs in their place, with these NMs, but on a rare basis. I assume this and Be'Ebo are related and the 2 phenomenon will happen in the same run, when they do happen.

Does anyone what affects this and why it always seems to spawn in the same spot usually, and then another rarely? Also, where is the third (does it happen as often as the second copy)?

(I didn't figure this deserved its own topic, hoping someone here might know what I'm talking about.)

[Rydir]

I have a 278 sword skill on my WAR from 8/8 Sword merits, Fortitude Torque, and Suppanomimi (i want to keep this because i have 75 rdm and Blu will be my next job). I have 20/20 weapon merits due to other jobs. I have Joyeuse to off hand. So when i am not using G.Axe, would it still be better to go axe/sword even though my sword skill is higher than my axe or is there a decent DPS sword i should main hand besides Ridill?

[Lyramion]

Stone Gorget - bypass 350 or not?

[Spekkio]

Stone Gorget - bypass 350 or not?

supposedly, yes. brings it up to 380 iirc.