Randomer Question Thread

[Lyramion]

Stone Gorget - bypass 350 or not?

supposedly, yes. brings it up to 380 iirc.

Thx but I would kinda like knowledge beyond "suppsedly" hehe

[Plight]

Stone Gorget - bypass 350 or not?

supposedly, yes. brings it up to 380 iirc.

Thx but I would kinda like knowledge beyond "suppsedly" hehe

Have it, use it, yes it does. Will screenshot for gil.

[DiomedesSylph]

For self-targeted enhancing spells, when are modifiers (Enhance+ skil, MND, etc) calculated?

For example, if I wanted to cast Stoneskin, could I start cast in Homam+Loq for fast cast bonus and switch mid cast to +skill and MND for both, or would I need to have any bonuses on at the beginning?

[Callisto]

For self-targeted enhancing spells, when are modifiers (Enhance+ skil, MND, etc) calculated?

For example, if I wanted to cast Stoneskin, could I start cast in Homam+Loq for fast cast bonus and switch mid cast to +skill and MND for both, or would I need to have any bonuses on at the beginning?

Potency is determined at the point of casting, starting in FC and switching to stats works fine, however this will only reduce casting time and not recast, if that matters to you.

[Rydir]

I have a 278 sword skill on my WAR from 8/8 Sword merits, Fortitude Torque, and Suppanomimi (i want to keep this because i have 75 rdm and Blu will be my next job). I have 20/20 weapon merits due to other jobs. I have Joyeuse to off hand. So when i am not using G.Axe, would it still be better to go axe/sword even though my sword skill is higher than my axe or is there a decent DPS sword i should main hand besides Ridill?

bump, because i really am curious which people think is better.

[Baha]

I use Ridill/Joy with a heavy DEX setup myself, don't pt much on it, but it seems to do ok. Kinda wanna try out perdu, company or such with ridill offhand, but I'm lackign a bit in the time department. Wish I had Fortitude Torque too. :'(

[Therin]

I use Ridill/Joy with a heavy DEX setup myself, don't pt much on it, but it seems to do ok. Kinda wanna try out perdu, company or such with ridill offhand, but I'm lackign a bit in the time department. Wish I had Fortitude Torque too. :'(

If you're going sword/sword why the hell would you use ANYTHING other than Ridill/Joyeuse, assuming you have both available to you? <_>

[Rydir]

I use Ridill/Joy with a heavy DEX setup myself, don't pt much on it, but it seems to do ok. Kinda wanna try out perdu, company or such with ridill offhand, but I'm lackign a bit in the time department. Wish I had Fortitude Torque too. :'(

I envy you ; ; i would trade my torque for your sword w.

[pchan]

BST and PUP are both pet jobs. Without it's pet, though, BST can actually still do half-assed decent damage. Without it's puppet, PUP is like a retarded mnk who thinks he's playing WoW. So why is BST's timer 5 minutes and PUP's timer 20 minutes ?

I'll never understand why people compare PUP and MNK. Anyway, I parsed my pup in merit and dynamis-xarcapard. The melee and range puppet do 1/2 the damage of the master (yep), while the BLM puppet does twice the damage of the master. Comparatively, our BST's damage was evenly split between him and it's pet, so without its pet, BST damage sucks too.

Where did you parse this BST, and at what level? If he was using a native pet, okay, but if he's doing the same amount of damage as a jug pet at 75 (or really, from 55 on) then something is seriously wrong.

As for the BLM puppet, it is indeed hot. We've had it outparse a real BLM on Despot and Ultima. Our main PUP guy has a BB MNK, PLD, NIN, and RDM, so we make fun of him a lot for having such a huge PUP fetish, but we try to let him use it sometimes.

This was in dynamis,BST 75, he used the the diremite pet (lifedrinkerlars ?). When you totalize the dmg he was doing ~ 60% of my BLM's damage.

[Phla]

can someone direct me to the thread where it was found ws gorget's acc bonus doesn't effect the hits after the 1st one? for 1st person!!

http://bluegartr.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=330

it's not ever actually been proven beyond the margin of error. of course, this also means that we haven't proven they're actually better to use if you don't have one yet. *shrugs*

yeah looking through what was said it waw a relatively small test too that was never followed up on, i was just curious because me and a friend got into a lil discussion about pcc/torque v. gorget. wish there was a way to parse it besides eyeballing/copying it down

[Halion]

The mystery of Be'Ebo Tortoisedriver in Dynamis - Bastok (the BST NM).

I haven't ever noticed it happening from doing anything in particualr differently, it's probably just random, this alternate map where he doesn't pop on top of the wooden structure also has different 10 min TEs in the section below Zeruhn.

[Tanag]

Quick question about Justice and Joy. Our LS was talking about which to main hand and there we comflicting ideas.

Can both swords proc on WS? If so Joy should be main handed, otherwise Justice.
Is there any other difference between the two forms of DA?

[Drunkenmonk]

Quick question about Justice and Joy. Our LS was talking about which to main hand and there we comflicting ideas.

Can both swords proc on WS? If so Joy should be main handed, otherwise Justice.
Is there any other difference between the two forms of DA?

joy/justice, jailer weapons cant proc on WSs sadly

[Martinius]

Quick question about Justice and Joy. Our LS was talking about which to main hand and there we comflicting ideas.

Can both swords proc on WS? If so Joy should be main handed, otherwise Justice.
Is there any other difference between the two forms of DA?

two part answer as to why the answer is to main justice(im assuming you're talking rdm/nin?):
1) joytoy can only double attack during a weaponskill provided you're wearing some form of double attack gear or /war(like a brutal earring) and your weaponskill has room to crit/DA(ie, no asuran fists, under 8 swings)

2) not only can justice proc on ws, but it can actually(well this is an assumption based on testing i did with temperance axe, if i am incorrect i am more than happy to hear to correct answer) double attack on itself provided the user is wearing some sort of gear or sj that gives double attack. i've seen a temperance proc + double attack more than once, attacking three times with the axe(ie, one stone was consumed, and on one of those attack rounds, the double attack from my brutal earring kicked in on a swing, allowing the axe another swing.) only once, but it was the coolest fucking thing in the world, did i see DA proc on both swings of the consumed v. stone attack around, meaning, out in lufaise on those piddly little bugards, my axe swung 4 times.

apparently the poster who beat me to the punch in posting said that jailer weapons can't proc on ws, which is news to me. (bearing in mind i am but a humble temperance rng, meaning the axe is awesome for farming rams if i have stones to burn, but they couldn't have given rng an exception and made virtue earrings or something?)

[Max™]

From using my Fort Axe a lot, I can say that without a doubt I have never seen a triple proc steel cyclone, and since I usually use Steel Cyclone with it on Campaign mobs instead of Raging Rush (generally only WS when I get lucky on their TP moves and hit 250-300) I would have noticed.

Someone argued this for a while in an LS with me, posted pics trying to prove it, but didn't follow the necessary instructions.

Jailer weapons can and will proc off a double attack, which is superfuckinawesome, but won't during WS, which is less awesome, but ok.

Pretty sure no multi-hits will proc during WS, otherwise you'd see/hear of 8 hit Vorpals with Rid/Joy, as opposed to 4 base+1 offhand+2 DA's. (one per hand)

[Martinius]

well i stand corrected regarding weaponskills, and have no problem manning up to being wrong. so to the OP, that would make the 35 base dmg of the joytoy superior to that of the 34 of the justice. i spose my tests, which were hardly scientific and much more of the 'squee it just double attacked on itself' variety, were too 'eyeballed.' but yes, while rare, seeing a 4 hit attack, or a double attack on a double attack, is, as my esteemed colleague put it, superfuckinawesome.

[Max™]

You should see it with full haste on War/Sam.

Maxaru readies Raging Rush.
<Maxaru> WHAT THE FUCK, I JUST WSED, WHY DO I HAVE 70% TP AGAIN!

[Martinius]

well i am a samurai and do know the virtues, pun intended, of a soboro

but rdm is my next to 75, and while my #1 prio lot in my sea shell is justice torque for my sam(which never ever drops lol), i would jump at the chance to take a free lot sword, and for that matter, gaxe. i've heard amazing things about justice/blau and evisceration spam.

[ringthree]

Random question: I have forgotten why after a certain point that combat skill stops translating to 1 accuracy and 1 attack and becomes .9 Accuracy and .9 Attack. Why does this happen?

[Ferien]

Random question: I have forgotten why after a certain point that combat skill stops translating to 1 accuracy and 1 attack and becomes .9 Accuracy and .9 Attack. Why does this happen?

Because it was programmed to do so.