Randomer Question Thread

[Callisto]

Random question: I have forgotten why after a certain point that combat skill stops translating to 1 accuracy and 1 attack and becomes .9 Accuracy and .9 Attack. Why does this happen?

I believe that only happens on Accuracy, not Attack, I may be wrong though.

[RKenshin]

Random question: I have forgotten why after a certain point that combat skill stops translating to 1 accuracy and 1 attack and becomes .9 Accuracy and .9 Attack. Why does this happen?

Only accuracy gets the reduction to .9

A while ago SE ranted about how they thought that players reaching levels above the 50-60 range would break the game. Because of this they reduced the amount of attributes gained per level, introduced a skill system that included +s and -s (ie: A+ skill vs A- skill vs A skill, as opposed to just having A vs B vs C), reduced the power of gaining skill, adjusted abilities/magic/etc gained through SJs, and increased the amount of exp needed per level drastically.

They admitted this presumption was wrong and that the game was fine, so a while after they lowered the amount of exp required to reach 75. But, they've never fixed any of the equations they nerfed and probably never will.

[yrpaine]

Jailer weapons can and will proc off a double attack, which is superfuckinawesome, but won't during WS, which is less awesome, but ok.

Pretty sure no multi-hits will proc during WS, otherwise you'd see/hear of 8 hit Vorpals with Rid/Joy, as opposed to 4 base+1 offhand+2 DA's. (one per hand)

I believe the difference between jailer weapons and other weapons that say occasionally attacks x times, is that it can proc a double attack at any time. I have not seen it stack with a double attack from /war or brutal earring during weaponskill (ie no 3 swings), but I do know Justice sword can proc double attack on it's own during a weaponskill without /war or brutal. Though as stated above it is still limited to not stacking with normal double attack. I have noticed double attack to proc much more often during weaponskills when using justice mainhand when using pld/nin.

[ringthree]

Random question: I have forgotten why after a certain point that combat skill stops translating to 1 accuracy and 1 attack and becomes .9 Accuracy and .9 Attack. Why does this happen?

Only accuracy gets the reduction to .9

A while ago SE ranted about how they thought that players reaching levels above the 50-60 range would break the game. Because of this they reduced the amount of attributes gained per level, introduced a skill system that included +s and -s (ie: A+ skill vs A- skill vs A skill, as opposed to just having A vs B vs C), reduced the power of gaining skill, adjusted abilities/magic/etc gained through SJs, and increased the amount of exp needed per level drastically.

They admitted this presumption was wrong and that the game was fine, so a while after they lowered the amount of exp required to reach 75. But, they've never fixed any of the equations they nerfed and probably never will.

Ok, does this effect evasion? And was this change made before NA release?

[Max™]

It was made when they went past 50 I believe, because that is when the A+/- and Skill=.9 Acc change kicked in.

[fantasticdan]

I believe the difference between jailer weapons and other weapons that say occasionally attacks x times, is that it can proc a double attack at any time. I have not seen it stack with a double attack from /war or brutal earring during weaponskill (ie no 3 swings), but I do know Justice sword can proc double attack on it's own during a weaponskill without /war or brutal. Though as stated above it is still limited to not stacking with normal double attack. I have noticed double attack to proc much more often during weaponskills when using justice mainhand when using pld/nin.

Well, you managed to get everything exactly wrong. Jailer weapon DA can stack with DA from gear or /war, this is plainly visible. Jailer weapon DA does also not proc on WS at all, it has been tested many times.

[Martinius]

max and i just had like an entire page discussion about this lol, thank you for being a little more forceful dan

but yes, that first time you swing 4 times with one weapon in one attack round, it is a thing of beauty <3

[RKenshin]

Ok, does this effect evasion? And was this change made before NA release?

As far as what I've seen, there was never any indication that Evasion would undergo the same penalty although it'd be extremely difficult to test.

This was around the time when the level cap was moved past 60. I don't really remember when that was.

[Phla]

to get that gear pic thingy on ffxi you need to register for linkshell community but um,
the thing is i can't get it with an ls and need a linkshell? cus if i gotta go buy one im gonna just say fuck it lol

[yrpaine]

Well, you managed to get everything exactly wrong. Jailer weapon DA can stack with DA from gear or /war, this is plainly visible.

I never said it couldn't on normal attacks, i specifically said during weaponskills. I know it can during normal attacks, i've done it enough.

[Kaelen]

I have a question regarding the use of Myochin Kote +1. I currently have Palla's Bracelets for WS and I know Alky's are better STR-wise, but would gaining 12 DEX (-5 that I would normally have with Palla's and the +7 from kote +1) be worth the loss of 2 STR? Same comparison with Alky's.

Thanks in advance.

[ringthree]

Ok, does this effect evasion? And was this change made before NA release?

As far as what I've seen, there was never any indication that Evasion would undergo the same penalty although it'd be extremely difficult to test.

This was around the time when the level cap was moved past 60. I don't really remember when that was.

LOL Before I started playing, thats for sure. I think the level cap was bumped to 60 in the first NA update but that is just from reading the update notes.

[Jaybar]

Well, you managed to get everything exactly wrong. Jailer weapon DA can stack with DA from gear or /war, this is plainly visible.

I never said it couldn't on normal attacks, i specifically said during weaponskills. I know it can during normal attacks, i've done it enough.

To be fair, you tried comparing Jailer Weapons to Ridill-type weapons. The problem is they are exactly the same type of melee proc - "Random". It's just that Jailer Weapons consume Stones (and I believe more frequent).

I believe the difference between jailer weapons and other weapons... is that it can proc a double attack at any time.
-There was no difference.

[Therin]

I have a question regarding the use of Myochin Kote +1. I currently have Palla's Bracelets for WS and I know Alky's are better STR-wise, but would gaining 12 DEX (-5 that I would normally have with Palla's and the +7 from kote +1) be worth the loss of 2 STR? Same comparison with Alky's.

Thanks in advance.

I've always heard Kote +1 with /WAR and Alky's with /THF.

[Nynaeve]

Where the hell is that website (might be a Japanese site I don't remember right now) that listed out all the patch notes for FFXI from the beginning and possibly even beta? I think some of it was even horribly Babelfish-translated from Japanese.

[Therin]

Where the hell is that website (might be a Japanese site I don't remember right now) that listed out all the patch notes for FFXI from the beginning and possibly even beta? I think some of it was even horribly Babelfish-translated from Japanese.

OtherWiki goes all the way back to 10/21/2003. That's as far as I know, I've never seen a listing that went back before that - but I'd be interested if someone could find one.

[Amele]

I have a question regarding the use of Myochin Kote +1. I currently have Palla's Bracelets for WS and I know Alky's are better STR-wise, but would gaining 12 DEX (-5 that I would normally have with Palla's and the +7 from kote +1) be worth the loss of 2 STR? Same comparison with Alky's.

Thanks in advance.

is your accuracy capped? if yes, 2 str is better. if no, then the accuracy will generally do more over time for you. similar comparison with alky's although with slightly larger numbers.

[Kaelen]

I have a question regarding the use of Myochin Kote +1. I currently have Palla's Bracelets for WS and I know Alky's are better STR-wise, but would gaining 12 DEX (-5 that I would normally have with Palla's and the +7 from kote +1) be worth the loss of 2 STR? Same comparison with Alky's.

Thanks in advance.

is your accuracy capped? if yes, 2 str is better. if no, then the accuracy will generally do more over time for you. similar comparison with alky's although with slightly larger numbers.

My Great Katana merits are capped, but I don't have a Bushinomimi or a Justice Torque just yet, so it just might be better for me to upgrade the kote first before the helm. I still have Saturday to make my choice.

[Teorem]

LOL Before I started playing, thats for sure. I think the level cap was bumped to 60 in the first NA update but that is just from reading the update notes.

The first level cap increase (50=>55) was in September 2002.
The second level cap increase (55=>60) was in November 2002.
The third level cap increase (60=>65) was in April 2003.
The fourth level cap increase (65=>70) was in July 2003.
The first update after NA release was in December 2003, which was the final level cap increase (70=>75).

Where the hell is that website (might be a Japanese site I don't remember right now) that listed out all the patch notes for FFXI from the beginning and possibly even beta? I think some of it was even horribly Babelfish-translated from Japanese.

Somepage has a list of old patch notes with direct links to filtering through Excite's translation system in their General - FFXI Updates section:

http://ffxi.somepage.com/links/

There's a lot of interesting tidbits if you take the time to read them and see how the game has developed over the last five years.

[Amele]

I have a question regarding the use of Myochin Kote +1. I currently have Palla's Bracelets for WS and I know Alky's are better STR-wise, but would gaining 12 DEX (-5 that I would normally have with Palla's and the +7 from kote +1) be worth the loss of 2 STR? Same comparison with Alky's.

Thanks in advance.

is your accuracy capped? if yes, 2 str is better. if no, then the accuracy will generally do more over time for you. similar comparison with alky's although with slightly larger numbers.

My Great Katana merits are capped, but I don't have a Bushinomimi or a Justice Torque just yet, so it just might be better for me to upgrade the kote first before the helm. I still have Saturday to make my choice.

I didn't ask if your skill was capped but if your accuracy (read: hit rate) was. I think it's clear it isn't. so myo+1's are better in your situation.

that said, str+5 in the head slot is going to presumably be inventory+1 (if you have the wyvern helm) or str+5 more if you don't. so either is probably ok.