Randomer Question Thread

[Tricen]

Eh... lv31, but I hate being gimp. Sarashi doesn't really seem worthwhile for 70k and I don't want to have to rework my macros again lol...
EDIT: Is Genin earring worth it too? 4agi seems really nice since I'm /NINing. I could macro it into SATA WS's maybe?

[Noobta]

Eh... lv31, but I hate being gimp. Sarashi doesn't really seem worthwhile for 70k and I don't want to have to rework my macros again lol...
EDIT: Is Genin earring worth it too? 4agi seems really nice since I'm /NINing. I could macro it into SATA WS's maybe?

If you plan on taking it higher than 37, then I would recommend genin. If not, then it's not worth buying one.

[Tricen]

orz Myrlaaa~ You need to get on more so I can bum gear off you >_>. I'm goin brokes.

[Martinius]

she also has a boyfriend who likes to sign shiny things for her(tho aside from her peacock charm, num +1 and staves, she earned it all herself ^^)

[VZX]

1) Is there a cap on how much STR+ from armor will effect a WS?

on the WS you will use? no

1a) Similar to haste, if there is a cap, does it differ among armor/spells and songs/food? If so, has it been discovered?

25% max haste you can obtain from gear
43.75% max haste you can obtain from magic (haste spell, marchx2, haste belt) in which.. on normal circumstances you won't get any higher than 35%

Those are the rules + haste cap is <= 80%

2) Does the effect of an increase in STR diminish? I.e., the difference between +2 and +5 STR are much greater than +42 and +45 STR.

If 2 STR increase 50 damage and 5 STR increase 125 damage on 500 damage weapon skill, do you call the effect diminished when they both increase the same number (50, 125) on 1000 damage weapon skill?

2a) Are there diminishing returns as ATT increases?

Sorry, I never understand all this 'diminishing return' term.

For a specific amount of increment, you increase your damage for a specific amount.
For SAM last 3 GKT WS, however, you got quite huge atk bonus on them. So you wouldn't worry to much about stacking atk at all.

3) How does STR+ compare to ATT+ for WS?

STR+ is very potent on last 3 GKT WS

[Lordwafik]

Are Jailer of Love's summons able to be gravitied? I want to test out next week's JOL with a pt of 1SCH 5BLM with the SCH graviga pulling the summons, just worried that the plan might be doomed to begin with if I can't grav pull.

[Tyr]

1) Is there a cap on how much STR+ from armor will effect a WS?

on the WS you will use? no

1a) Similar to haste, if there is a cap, does it differ among armor/spells and songs/food? If so, has it been discovered?

25% max haste you can obtain from gear
43.75% max haste you can obtain from magic (haste spell, marchx2, haste belt) in which.. on normal circumstances you won't get any higher than 35%

Those are the rules + haste cap is <= 80%


[quotelh3fph0]2) Does the effect of an increase in STR diminish? I.e., the difference between +2 and +5 STR are much greater than +42 and +45 STR.

If 2 STR increase 50 damage and 5 STR increase 125 damage on 500 damage weapon skill, do you call the effect diminished when they both increase the same number (50, 125) on 1000 damage weapon skill?

2a) Are there diminishing returns as ATT increases?

Sorry, I never understand all this 'diminishing return' term.

For a specific amount of increment, you increase your damage for a specific amount.
For SAM last 3 GKT WS, however, you got quite huge atk bonus on them. So you wouldn't worry to much about stacking atk at all.

3) How does STR+ compare to ATT+ for WS?

STR+ is very potent on last 3 GKT WS[/quotelh3fph0]


Thanks VZX for your help.

for #2, 2/5's is 2/5's, so if 2STR = +50, and 5STR = +125, it's all the same regardless of how much damage the WS itself does. Well, at least that's what I meant, maybe I'm not using the term correctly myself.
If the number which +2STR or +5STR translate to the same damage relative to oen another, then it's not diminishing, but if +2 STR for instance has a +2% increase (let's just suppose +1% per +1 STR), and +5 STR has a +4.5% increase (it's no longer 1:1), then it is a diminishing increase. I love how I suck at explaining things.

2a -> same thing as #2. Like does +10 attack = +20 damage, and +30 attack = +60 damage? In this example, it'll always be +1 att = +2 dmg, as opposed to say +10 attack = +20 dmg, +30 ~= 55 dmg, where it's not 1:2 ratio anymore.

3) Well, specifically for a SAM WS like Gekko or Kasha, how much +ATT outweighs +1 in STR?
To explain further:
So +STR has no cap, and if we suppose that +STR will always add a stable and certain percentage (i.e. +1 STR always equals +1% damage), then for WS, is it better to have:

+50 STR and +25 attack or +60 STR?


I actually thought that both +stats have a cap (similar to how haste has a cap from armor) and that +str diminishes, which would mean in the long run, one slot that gives +4 STR versus its HQ counterpart that gives +5 STR won't make a difference if you have so much STR. Obviously, a difference is a difference, but it really isn't that much.

Thanks again for your help.

As for the jailer question Wafik, wish I could contribute, but I have no idea whatsoever.

[Seditedi]

I know they aren't immune to Slow/Paralyze/Blind for a fact.
Pretty sure the only immunities they have are to sleep and possibly bind.
Gravity should work, but I can't say so with 100% certainty.
I just know they aren't immune to every enfeeble like most Jailers in sea.

[Azkarin]

I just hit 70 on my Black Mage and will probably solo the rest of the way to 75. I was wondering on what everyone else's macro set ups were for Ugg. Pendent and Sorc. Ring? Right now I have one macro to put on all my Int pieces. When I drop below 50% MP (with or without a spell) I have a macro to put on the Ugg. Pendent and when I hit yellow HP I have another macro to put on the Sorc. Ring. Is there any other possibilities I'm missing (besides manually switching)?

[Suiram]

Long ago, before I had gear to force latent, I had a macro that was something like:

Line1: equip Sorc
Line2: /echo ^Sorc^ vSnowv <hp>
Line3: equip Snow

Basically hitting that macro would alternate rings and echo my current HP, and the arrows (well, the "v" and the "^") pointing indicated which ring it was depending if the "Equipment Changed" line was above or below the echo line. I might have it backwards but you can play around with that to get it right if it's something you're interested in. Also, I recommend just getting a set to force it if your circumstances permit. You can do it completely without King drops, just with zenith gear from sky and some stuff off AH.

Ugg Pendant I just have a separate macro that equips it and echos my MP. Remember that the MP% to make it proc is figured at the completion of the spell, and based not on your base max MP nor your current max MP but your "visible gear" max MP which is going to be somewhere in between.

[Ryushii]

How can you tell if you have too much racc on for SW? I am currently lv55, using 60+17 AGI and +62 racc, with full archery merits (so +12 skill as well). How much of that racc, if any, can I take off for STR/ratt? With and without sushi, please. Birds don't like it when I eat food.

Another unrelated question: besides job-specific merits and combat merits, what are the best things to merit for RNG?

Wouldn't full archery merits be +16 skill?
R.Acc you just gotta play with till you find a comfortable spot really. But remember landing 1 more sidewinder will always be more important than adding 10-20 damage to the rest of them.
Other than JSM and Combat merits, STR is about all I can think of. Pretty sure crit rate doesn't effect /ra and I have Enm- for my Mage jobs, which might help a little on RNG too?

It's only +12, I'm lvl 55. And yeah, but I'm afraid of taking off any racc gear and thus losing that 1 SW. Is it possible to detect when you have near-capped accuracy on SW? I realize accuracy doesn't cap, but it hits a ceiling at a certain percent, right?

Also, would you suggest STR or Emnity- first? Keep in mind emnity merits are like 1/4 as expensive as STR merits. Would doing a little bit of both be most effective?

[Ryushii]

just a quick correction, crit does affect ranged attacks, however crit r atts calculate differently, like whereas a melee crit is 1.5% normal dmg, a r att crit is 1.25%(im not 100% sure sure on the melee crit bump, but i am sure about the r att crit).

that said, thunder/jupiter's staff does not affect r att crits, and dex has no effect on ratt crits. ^^

Wait, DEX does NOT affect ratt crit rate? How do you increase the rate of ratt crits then? Does crit+ gear increase ranged attack crits? And are you sure that merits in critical hit+ affect the rate of ranged crits?

[Ryushii]

Another RNG queestion, looking at merits:

3 - Rapid Shot
3 - Unlimited Shot
3 - Snapshot

Sound good?

The last 3 I'm not so sure about...Is 3 into Flashy Shot really worth it? Or is Stealth Shot worth donating a merit into? I'm not worried about money and Recycle.

[Martinius]

Wait, DEX does NOT affect ratt crit rate? How do you increase the rate of ratt crits then? Does crit+ gear increase ranged attack crits? And are you sure that merits in critical hit+ affect the rate of ranged crits?

to the best of my knowledge, agi increases ranged crit hits, crit hit gear and merits do affect ranged attacks. im not 100% on the agi, that's just been long rumored and followed, but i am 100% sure that dex has no effect but gear and merits that specifically increase critical hit rate affect ranged attacks.

to the post just above mine:
5 rapid shot
5 unlimited shot
3 snap shot
1 flashy shot
2 recycle.

[Tricen]

I can't for the life of me find a DL pic where nothing dropped. Anyone have by anychance?

[Septimus]

I can't for the life of me find a DL pic where nothing dropped. Anyone have by anychance?

I can't remember if we got totally skunked by our last Dynamis Lord or not. (May have got a 100 Byne which is practically the same as no drop.)

I would imagine that no one would take a screenshot of it since it is so depressing.

[VZX]

for #2, 2/5's is 2/5's, so if 2STR = +50, and 5STR = +125, it's all the same regardless of how much damage the WS itself does. Well, at least that's what I meant, maybe I'm not using the term correctly myself.

If the number which +2STR or +5STR translate to the same damage relative to oen another, then it's not diminishing, but if +2 STR for instance has a +2% increase (let's just suppose +1% per +1 STR), and +5 STR has a +4.5% increase (it's no longer 1:1), then it is a diminishing increase. I love how I suck at explaining things.

Then the answer is "there is no diminishing return"

2a -> same thing as #2. Like does +10 attack = +20 damage, and +30 attack = +60 damage? In this example, it'll always be +1 att = +2 dmg, as opposed to say +10 attack = +20 dmg, +30 ~= 55 dmg, where it's not 1:2 ratio anymore.

The whole maximizing damage business is about how you allocate your resource (different kind of atk+ and STR+ pieces) to reach the optimal value

Suppose you're multiplying 2 numbers, a and b, each has value 1.0.
So if you multiply them both:
1.0 * 1.0 = 1.0

Now you have resources 2.0 which you can add them to both numbers, i.e. you can do:
(1.0 + 0.5) * (1.0 + 1.5 ) = 3.75 or
(1.0 + 0.2) * (1.0 + 1.8 ) = 3.36 or
(1.0 + 0.0) * (1.0 + 2.0 ) = 3.00 or of course, the optimal value is
(1.0 + 1.0) * (1.0 + 1.0 ) = 4.00

The answer is pretty much balancing both value.
If you load high attack when your base damage is low, it's not effective. If you load high STR+ (base damage) when your attack is low, it's not effective either.
For 3 last SAM WS, since they have attack bonus, you want to allocate as much STR as possible so that you can utilize this 'high attack' value effectively.

3) Well, specifically for a SAM WS like Gekko or Kasha, how much +ATT outweighs +1 in STR?
To explain further:
So +STR has no cap, and if we suppose that +STR will always add a stable and certain percentage (i.e. +1 STR always equals +1% damage), then for WS, is it better to have:

+50 STR and +25 attack or +60 STR?

Those 2 options are not so trivial, but generally I'd pick +60STR

If the different is not really huge, STR+ still the better choice.

[Butcher]

My LS has been wanting to melee burn Vrtra for awhile. Is there any way to avoid/not get Vrtra to do its charm move? In our 2 attemps it always charmed a couple people during chain stun, but in the melee burn video's i've seen it never charms anyone.

[Bakthi]

What's a good furnishing for storage space?

9-drawer Almirah

I'm pretty excited about the Bahut (at least for my main), since it's 8 spaces instead of 7, not much more expensive than the Almirah on my server, and doesn't have a massive amount of horrible, horrible Moghancement: Fishing. It kind of makes me sad that in the same patch SE finally reduced the cost of mannequins, they introduced an item that makes me not want to buy another one ever (currently have 3). On the other hand, I'm glad they didn't reduce the price, lead me to buy one, and then introduce Bahut in the next update >.>

If you don't care about Moghancement, I guess the "best value" would probably be 9-drawer Almirahs and event stuff (snowmen/dolls/lamp). I do have all 3 snowmen since they look vaguely interesting and it took me about 10 minute and 3 wind crystals to get them.

[Shuemue]

I can't for the life of me find a DL pic where nothing dropped. Anyone have by anychance?

I can't remember if we got totally skunked by our last Dynamis Lord or not. (May have got a 100 Byne which is practically the same as no drop.)

I would imagine that no one would take a screenshot of it since it is so depressing.

Manaburn got just a hundred once, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/ ... Ldeath.jpg