BRD debuffs

[Duskk2]

K so I been wondering this for awhile now. Does anyone know if there you can only have 2 bard debuffs on a mob from one brd? Just like how you can only have 2 buff songs and the song with shortest time remaining is overwritten is it the same with debuffs, as in one can not have Thren, elegy, and requim on a mob at once from one brd?

[Pamelita]

No, debuffs don't stack. So after singing Battlefield Elegy and Carnage Elegy, only Carnage Elegy will remain. It's the same with Requiem, and Threnody and Lullaby.

Edit: Oh, hoho. I think you can only have up to 3 songs on a single mob.

[Kiarax]

Edit: Oh, hoho. I think you can only have up to 3 songs on a single mob.

You can stick more then 3, BRD only has 4 mob targetted songs available, Requiem, Threnody, Elegy and Lullaby. Whilst it's possible to stick all 4, unless a mob has Stoneskin up Requiem will wake it on the first tick. It can be easily tested by using Requiem first, then Threnody, Elegy and finally Lullaby. If there was a 3 song limit Requiem would wear off when you cast Lullaby and the mob would stay slept, but it wont.

[Not Seditedi]

Are you sure about threnody overwriting another threnody?
Or does it work like shock/burn/choke?
Where opposite elements will either take no effect at all or overwrite the weaker element.
Ex. Shock will overwrite Drown if you cast it after Drown is already on the mob, but if you cast Drown on a Shocked mob it will say Drown has no effect in the chat log.

[Kiarax]

Are you sure about threnody overwriting another threnody?
Or does it work like shock/burn/choke?
Where opposite elements will either take no effect at all or overwrite the weaker element.
Ex. Shock will overwrite Drown if you cast it after Drown is already on the mob, but if you cast Drown on a Shocked mob it will say Drown has no effect in the chat log.

Threnody will overwrite any other Threnody regardless of element.

[IncredibleGulk]

rather than start a new thread, ill ask here...

for debuffs, chr > wind skill equip? are there any instances where you want wind skill+ over chr?

for party buffs (min, mad, march etc.), wind > chr?

for lullaby, would you want the chr+ or wind skill+ (when using mary's horn)?

or if there are any particular songs you use certain gear setups, can you elaborate? trying to get an idea of which stats to enhance and when.

thanks

[Elesirdur]

Party buffs are not affected by CHR, but only by your instrument and combined skill (Wind+Singing etc).

Skill is akin to Magic Accuracy gear and will help the song land better. The strength and effect of Bard DoT and debuff songs are linked to the instrument you're using. CHR and skill only affect your ability to land the song.

My Bard's only 64 and I don't claim to be an expert of any kind but when casting party buffs I macro in the proper instrument, wind skill gear, and any haste gear I can get my hands on since the casting times are pretty long. For debuffs it's all about wind skill and CHR in any slot that doesn't already have wind skill in it.

[Bardlet]

The only time you can NOT overwrite a Threnody before it naturally wears is if:
1) The first Threnody is cast with a Sorrowful Harp (Threnody +3) and you're trying to cast over it with a Piccolo/Piccolo+1 (Threnody +1/2)
2) The Threnody is cast with Troubadour active (extends the duration of song effects)

[IncredibleGulk]

would you macro in bird whistle/star pendant over the wind torque for any songs? like for elegy.

[Pamelita]

wind skill > chr

Equip wind skill stuff, and with the free slots equip CHR.

So for Elegy, equip wind torque, if you use a flute of course.

[IncredibleGulk]

at 72, should you still use minstrel's for that? or macro in the errant?

[Zoot]

Minstrel's is still better, basically what he said about skill in every slot otherwise equip CHR. Goes for everything.

Actually, I guess this is considering that you have a decent amount of skill+, but it goes in tiers so the more you have the better.

[IncredibleGulk]

mmk. how about 75?

[fantasticdan]

Minstrel's is still better, basically what he said about skill in every slot otherwise equip CHR. Goes for everything.

If chr works like other base stats, errant would give you more macc than the 3 skill on minstrel's. Also I think it's important to have higher chr than your target, and body is one of the only slots where you don't have a decent skill piece to compete, so I would definitely stick with errant, osode, af+1, or marduk for debuff.

[Zoot]

Hmmm, actually that may be right. It might be better to use just for casting march etc. I dropped my minstrels long ago when it was assumed that skill was worthless, and I've got to go kill that darned fish again.

[Pamelita]

Yeah as far as body stick with CHR when you have errant's available. For singing buffs to party get the Yigit body.

[NotFalisa]

I've always thought you should hit the 120 CHR marker and then you can start sticking in skill in places that dont have CHR or dont take you under that amount.

[Howard Roark]

I've always thought you should hit the 120 CHR marker and then you can start sticking in skill in places that dont have CHR or dont take you under that amount.

i sorta follow that general rule, im told more than 130 is a waste, 120 seems a good amount

on a side note, something that's always bothered me, i've always had trouble landing requiem on most mobs unless theyre much weaker than me

needs more chr? or more skill

my mithra friend (apparently mithra have less chr than elv so i find this weird) hasnt had any troubles, and ive always been able to afford the nice little +1s but other than that we are identically geared given her lvl (i had these troubles even in xp)

[fantasticdan]

on a side note, something that's always bothered me, i've always had trouble landing requiem on most mobs unless theyre much weaker than me

Requiem 6 is definitely less accurate than other debuffs, but I think the inaccuracy seems worse than it is, due to how many things are just plain immune to it. With hq staff, +4 instrument, and standard gears I land requiem more often than not on high level mobs that aren't immune.

[eva00r]

For best resuult, try shadow coat then.