Opinions for Job Adjustments

[neochaos]

A DRG with pride is serious business....


...lolololololoL~

Personally i feel SCH shouldnt have been implemented period, at least not as it has been. I actually at first assumed SCH's would not be using magic period, except that from a subjob. With SCH they can either make it the primary mage job in this game, or the "/nin" equivalent for mages, or they can put it with Puppetmaster under the lolcatagory.

And why would they give Scholar's, the martial strategists and tacticians to be used in war, an ability to detect a mobs stats? That just makes way too much sense for SE to implement.

[Vail]

How do Scholars NOT have Libra yet? It's in the damn .dats!

yeah cause knowing how much HP monsters have is SOOOOO useful, pretty sure most monsters in the game we already have rough (I.E. very close values) of their HP

what else would be worth knowing? honestly?
We know what most things are weak to magic wise (Thunder/Blizzard on everything !)
we know how much evasion/defense normal monsters have: and for Impossible to Gauge HNMs, all you need to know is: you need more attack and accuracy then you already have~

Libra would truely be a worthless spell at this point, honestly

Also your post illustrates a more valueable point: Dragoon's from KA forums are the apples that feel off the tree or the dullest tool in the work shed.

LOLDRG indeed, not because of the job it's self but the idiots that desperately clink to it like it's their mother's tit

[Kkel]

Given that monsters do not automatically use their TP @100, an ability that allows a player(s) to view monster TP might not be totally useless.

If nothing else, it may provide some insight on how/when monsters utilize their TP over the course of a long fight.

[miokomioko]

I would like the itsy bitsy request of Automatons' ranged attacks being capable of critical hits. No clue why they aren't. And perhaps an actual melee frame would be nice instead of the crappy pld/war hybrid thing. Blah blah blah wishlist shit.

[Valisk]

Given that monsters do not automatically use their TP @100, an ability that allows a player(s) to view monster TP might not be totally useless.

If nothing else, it may provide some insight on how/when monsters utilize their TP over the course of a long fight.

Maybe they could tweak it a bit and inform of what TP move will be next. Giving the alliance time to prepare (stunners, -na spells ready, cure spells ready, sleep, etc.) Knowing that Tiamat is about to Roar or Mob ABC is about to use XYZ move might be useful.

[neochaos]

Libra would be very useful if the spell itself was made to be useful. Of course anyone could careless about the actual HP value a mob has. I AM speaking more of a spell that gives u detailed info when you /check a mob or w/e. Stats, resistance ratings, etc. Of course.............


Libra, like Scan or w/e in every other FF, won't work on HNMs or anything impossible to gauge, therefore it WOULD be practically useless sans figuring out the numbers on their side of equations. So bleh

[Not Kuno]

Even if people say it's useless, I don't care because Libra would be a really cool spell (as long as it didnt get you agro). I'd run around everywhere casting it on stuff.

Sch needs Regen/Haste/Regain and for the aoe Stratagem not to have 3x recast because that makes it useless.

[Spider-Dan]

Libra would be useless?

SCH casts Libra on the Kindred Ninja.

Kindred Ninja
Level: 82
HP: 2714
MP: 0
TP: 207%
STR: 90
DEX: 95
AGI: 97
VIT: 81
INT: 80
MND: 77
CHR: 72
Attack: 530
Defense: 501
Accuracy: 340
Evasion: 390

Hell, I'd want Libra just as a spell to cast on players. It'd save a hell of a lot of time.

[BRP]

Libra needs to include information like "Strong vs." and "Weak vs.". Maybe job too.

[The Q]

But it's useless we already know that crap why have the dev team waste time on useless crap when I need my new HNMs!!!!!!!!!!!!

ENDGAMER RAGEEEEE!

[Tsuko_Asura]

Hell, I'd want Libra just as a spell to cast on players. It'd save a hell of a lot of time.

[Alistaire]

They could make Libra tell you what the mob's next tp move will be.

[Shuemue]

Libra should add global tparty, on mobs too

[Xno Kappa]

I still think SCH is a joke job and is going to get deleted in the next update. SE is just whooshing everyone.

[Eratosthenes]

I still think SCH is a joke job and is going to get deleted in the next update. SE is just whooshing everyone.

I was pretty sure PUP was added as a joke, but it's still around.

[Xno Kappa]

I still think SCH is a joke job and is going to get deleted in the next update. SE is just whooshing everyone.

I was pretty sure PUP was added as a joke, but it's still around.

Good point, never mind.

[Suiram]

I don't think it's something that would make or break a job, more of a handy trait like widescan that would be useful for some situations but not really for anything essential. I know personally if it's anything like Spider-Dan described I'd level SCH for that alone. But I think the proud dragoon may be getting a bit ahead of himself, since it's not actually in the .dats so far as I can see, unless there's an animation that looks like it should correspond to it or something.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Libra should add global tparty, on mobs too

Watching a mob's TP would make most melees cry

[Cadsuane]

Trolls really don't hit very hard at all; colibri are honestly more dangerous. Without a move like Fang Rush/Rushing Drub/Pecking Flurry, there's much less chance of a oneshot, and Overthrow ignores shadows anyway.

Having soloed them both, enervation/overthrow/rock smash and the job specific stat bonuses and native abilities make trolls much, much more dangerous than a colibri, who's pecking flurry rarely breaks 200 damage on anyone with reasonable defense. I endorse your tiff with lucavi, though.

[Lucavi]

People stopped going to KRT the day TAU came out, and it had nothing to do with the difficulty of bones.

This sounds suprisingly like this:

When something better comes along, how often do people use the old things?

Which was what I posted. Thanks for agreeing with me wholeheartedly. Moving on..

Excuses. You complain about /NIN whoring, and yet when you happen to play the single best not-/NIN job at birds, you refuse to use it because it's not socially acceptable.

Socially acceptable = accessible. Everyone says it all the time: you can do what you want to do, but not in MY party, and they raise a good point. /Whm is a great sub in that situation for drg, but not the best, and its certainly not socially acceptable. My only "excuse" in that situation is that I cannot sub /whm because I CANNOT get a party there with that sub. Who outside of my personal linkshell is going to pick up some drg/whm for that? Honestly, in THIS game? Stop being an idiot and finger jabbing.

For the record, I have maintained for some time that DRG/magex4+COR+BRD is the best possible party on birds.

Wonderful. No one ever said the "best" combo was the most socially-acceptable combo, just that the "best" combo is the most mainstream and widely used, and thus, not subject to social restraints and backlash. Go preach to the masses about the glory of it, then actually have people LISTEN and apply your preaching, and we won't be having this boring conversation.

I've been in several pickup DRG burn parties.

So have I, and drg burns aren't all that uncommon. What -is- uncommon, however, is for a standard party to allow a drg/whm (the crux of this little trainwreck of an debate) into their ridil-filled, utsu-spamming, song-singing rape-fest, regardless of how well it could and does work. We're talking about majority, not singular instances, Spiderman. Theres an exception to every rule, but the majority rules the masses. This is nothing new or special.

Trolls really don't hit very hard at all; colibri are honestly more dangerous. Without a move like Fang Rush/Rushing Drub/Pecking Flurry, there's much less chance of a oneshot, and Overthrow ignores shadows anyway.

Then why do we even care about them? Honestly, with all the defense spamming they do, no one would ever treat that camp like a speed-burning camp, unless SE suddenly started taking moves from them. They're irrelevant to the discussion.

My very next reply to you detailed a bunch of potential ways to improve /DNC. But I guess since I didn't fully disclose an in-depth plan for every underutilized subjob right at the start, it means I hate them all?

Who said you hated them? I said you were horribly biased towards rng, much like I am towards drg. Since you love fishing for old posts, look up where I said you hated every sub that wasn't /dnc or /rng. That should keep you busy for awhile.

Give it up.

Give what up? We both know they're not going to do anything worthwhile to any of the afformentioned jobs. You want me to give up on something that I know will never happen -- the buffing of these jobs. What you SHOULD be doing is wanting me to give up on something else that I know will never happen -- the reduction of the absolute reliance of utsusemi for the majority of tasks/fights in the game. Get your priorities straight.

I'm glad to see that you've finally come to grips with your hatred.

You and I have very different views of hatred. I don't view hatred as reducing an outright obsession with /nin. Maybe eliminating the job entirely would be hatred, but I have an annoyance with it, not a hatred of it. Believe what you want to believe, though -- nothing has ever stopped you from doing that at any other point in time.

I propose improving and expanding upon additional offensive SJs and/or MP mitigation SJs like /DNC.

So your answer to the MP sponge complaint is to improve /dnc and have everyone sub that? You're willing to shift the defensive reliance from utsusemi to /dancer? That's your big plan? The offense is one thing, because it -could- work if the defense was also adjusted (and hopefully that would be adjusted first), but trying to fix an addiction to heroin by suggesting a switch from heroin to cocaine is hardly a solution.

Your ideas and beliefs are no more "reactionary" than my own. You simply refuse to believe it because its apparently more fun to accuse me of being flawed.

You claim that no offensive increase would be sufficient, since players are dead-set against taking any damage at all.

Outside of Merits and easy fights/quests, yes. Absolutely.

I cite examples (both past and present) where players are perfectly content to fight without shadows.

You cited experience parties, which does absolutely nothing for the flawed end-game damage, as well as end-game events that don't involve fighting the 3 kings. Give some concrete examples of end-game fights where people are content to take damage over shadows, and hell, give examples where people can "afford" to take that kind of damage, what with the mobs hitting for 350+ on anything that isn't an aegis pld.

You accuse me of being incapable of thinking of new ways to take more damage and deal more damage?

I one-upped you on ways to increase damage, and your idea to take more damage consists of shifting from a reliance of shadows to a reliance of people spamming waltzes with /dnc sub. Wow. Fucking Brilliant.

Way to fail.

Same to you.

I endorse your tiff with lucavi, though.

*Sniffles*