Opinions for Job Adjustments

[Spider-Dan]

Seriously, get your freaking joyeuse and your racc dagger and beat things to death with haste gear, morons.

joytoy and m.kris combo is way more fun :D love spamming slugshot

Both of the above suggestions are pretty underwhelming.

DWing Joyeuse+RACC dagger completely defeats the purpose; COR can swap more than enough RACC gear for WS. The only time to equip RACC dagger is if you are steady-state shooting. And DWing Joyeuse with M.Kris just slows your TP compared to M.Kris alone.

[Ohemgee]

Only place where I can see DNC "being as good" as a WHM in merits is against colibri since the only dangerous attack they have is Pecking Flurry and 2 of their TP attacks, while annoying, don't do damage.

Against other stuff that hits harder and have attacks that bypass shadows/TE DNCs have a hard time keeping up.

You're also forgetting that WHMs can also do debuffs (though people probably don't bother on coilibri). I already could stick debuffs on merit mobs before, and now with /SCH its even easier, not to mention that Dia never is resisted unless you hit a shadow.

The only thing DNC really adds to Colibri camps is MP-free cures. Which if you were a decent WHM (not poking fun at you or anything), you'll be able to get your MP back fast enough to keep the chain going without MP breaks, at all. You're not debuffing, or doing anything outside of Cure III/V, Regen II, and Haste which if you believe it or not, doesn't cost much to gain back.

Penury in my Cure V macro, wut?

And for those who are having a debate whether to invite a DNC or a WHM, know this, with a WHM, you can invite a BB mnk or WAR. Holy shit what a shocker.

Or I could get two amazing DRG/WHMs, a DNC, a BRD, a COR that doesn't suck, and a THF... and watch everything die instantly.

Or I could get a DRK/WAR, two BRDs (both /nin), a WHM, a COR that doesn't suck, and a WAR, and still do 27k/hr.

I mean, there's about a billion possible combinations you can do, seriously, on birds. They're just too fucking easy and get completely torn apart.

God, I hate Corsairs that shoot bullets at 75 at birds. Seriously, get your freaking joyeuse and your racc dagger and beat things to death with haste gear, morons.



I did want to say though, that I am pretty much anti-WHM for XPing though. Versatility wins in XP. I'd rather have the benefit of the RDM in most cases, because they can affect the outcome of more situations a lot faster than WHM. But if I can't find a good RDM, I'll take a good WHM before I even think about a mediocre RDM.

Theres about 5 COR's on sylph total. Which makes me a sad panda. Speaking of which, why isn't there a sad panda smile?

[Gilthas]

Only place where I can see DNC "being as good" as a WHM in merits is against colibri since the only dangerous attack they have is Pecking Flurry and 2 of their TP attacks, while annoying, don't do damage.

Against other stuff that hits harder and have attacks that bypass shadows/TE DNCs have a hard time keeping up.

You're also forgetting that WHMs can also do debuffs (though people probably don't bother on coilibri). I already could stick debuffs on merit mobs before, and now with /SCH its even easier, not to mention that Dia never is resisted unless you hit a shadow.

The only thing DNC really adds to Colibri camps is MP-free cures. Which if you were a decent WHM (not poking fun at you or anything), you'll be able to get your MP back fast enough to keep the chain going without MP breaks, at all. You're not debuffing, or doing anything outside of Cure III/V, Regen II, and Haste which if you believe it or not, doesn't cost much to gain back.

Penury in my Cure V macro, wut?

And for those who are having a debate whether to invite a DNC or a WHM, know this, with a WHM, you can invite a BB mnk or WAR. Holy shit what a shocker.

How exactly did what I post translate to me being a crappy WHM? On colibri most of the times I don't even need to rest and I haven't even been there since the last update.

[Genosync]

Seriously, get your freaking joyeuse and your racc dagger and beat things to death with haste gear, morons.

joytoy and m.kris combo is way more fun :D love spamming slugshot

Both of the above suggestions are pretty underwhelming.

DWing Joyeuse+RACC dagger completely defeats the purpose; COR can swap more than enough RACC gear for WS. The only time to equip RACC dagger is if you are steady-state shooting. And DWing Joyeuse with M.Kris just slows your TP compared to M.Kris alone.

A. I traded in my mkris for a morrigan's robe
B. I tp'd way too damn fast anyway to care because I had skadi pants
C. COR WS Gear:
Joy Trailer Gun Bulletz
Maat Chram STR2 Suppa
AFz Gauntlet STR5 Rajas
Mantles STR+5?idr Skadis Skadis

so I think you see the one piece I decided to use instead of racc thx

D. You don't need 4mil to kick ass at corsair, you just need a goddamn brain
E. I've hit stupidly high, should be impossible, amounts of damage with slugs on birds, honestly I could have made a PT of 3 COR, 1 DRK, BRD, rdm or whm and it would be fucking crazy shit. just like anything else that sports epic piercing weapons on those things.

[Carrilei]

Seriously, get your freaking joyeuse and your racc dagger and beat things to death with haste gear, morons.

joytoy and m.kris combo is way more fun :D love spamming slugshot

Both of the above suggestions are pretty underwhelming.

DWing Joyeuse+RACC dagger completely defeats the purpose; COR can swap more than enough RACC gear for WS. The only time to equip RACC dagger is if you are steady-state shooting. And DWing Joyeuse with M.Kris just slows your TP compared to M.Kris alone.

Agreed, but the main problem with DWing Joyeuse and Mecurial Kris isn't even that it slows your TP - it's that you're forsaking the damage benefits of /RNG or /WAR, which is simply a poor choice. Use a DD sub (RNG or WAR), and single wield either Joyeuse or MK. It's that simple.

[Ohemgee]

Only place where I can see DNC "being as good" as a WHM in merits is against colibri since the only dangerous attack they have is Pecking Flurry and 2 of their TP attacks, while annoying, don't do damage.

Against other stuff that hits harder and have attacks that bypass shadows/TE DNCs have a hard time keeping up.

You're also forgetting that WHMs can also do debuffs (though people probably don't bother on coilibri). I already could stick debuffs on merit mobs before, and now with /SCH its even easier, not to mention that Dia never is resisted unless you hit a shadow.

The only thing DNC really adds to Colibri camps is MP-free cures. Which if you were a decent WHM (not poking fun at you or anything), you'll be able to get your MP back fast enough to keep the chain going without MP breaks, at all. You're not debuffing, or doing anything outside of Cure III/V, Regen II, and Haste which if you believe it or not, doesn't cost much to gain back.

Penury in my Cure V macro, wut?

And for those who are having a debate whether to invite a DNC or a WHM, know this, with a WHM, you can invite a BB mnk or WAR. Holy shit what a shocker.

How exactly did what I post translate to me being a crappy WHM? On colibri most of the times I don't even need to rest and I haven't even been there since the last update.

Its emphasizing your point

[Genosync]

Seriously, get your freaking joyeuse and your racc dagger and beat things to death with haste gear, morons.

joytoy and m.kris combo is way more fun :D love spamming slugshot

Both of the above suggestions are pretty underwhelming.

DWing Joyeuse+RACC dagger completely defeats the purpose; COR can swap more than enough RACC gear for WS. The only time to equip RACC dagger is if you are steady-state shooting. And DWing Joyeuse with M.Kris just slows your TP compared to M.Kris alone.

Agreed, but the main problem with DWing Joyeuse and Mecurial Kris isn't even that it slows your TP - it's that you're forsaking the damage benefits of /RNG or /WAR, which is simply a poor choice. Use a DD sub (RNG or WAR), and single wield either Joyeuse or MK. It's that simple.

Shit like that doesn't work when you're going for maximum damage potential and WSing right at 100tp (because I sure as hell knew I could) every single time, unless the mob was under 30%. I made Bards happy when I voked their mobs off of them--with Slug Shot.

I'd roll out to Mamool maybe with /RNG if you're not geared as well as we are, but if you're rolling with Skadi and have the tools, go /NIN and put on a show.

You're a Corsair, not a fucking Bard that's trying to melee, after all. Act like one, and don't be a pussy and sit back and only do things when the mob is about to die.

Like, this is probably the best way to explain it.

Corsair = 65ish% of a Ranger's damage potential, with amazing buffs that may or may not be there, and the ability to Sleep targets instantly with light-type sleep.

edit: I also didn't get mad at you guys for forgetting that you're fighting birds with ridiculous amounts of haste gear, spell, and song and you've got a decent damage piercing weapon combined with a slightly lower one but it doesn't matter, which the damage from both of them actually add up pretty fucking fast if you know what you're doing, especially with the rest of the ridiculous nonsense buffs you have on. Try it, you might like it. Mkris is so fucking worthless, seriously.

Sushi + Sword Merits + Marks Merits -> lulz.

[Kerberoz]

Seriously, get your freaking joyeuse and your racc dagger and beat things to death with haste gear, morons.

joytoy and m.kris combo is way more fun :D love spamming slugshot

Both of the above suggestions are pretty underwhelming.

DWing Joyeuse+RACC dagger completely defeats the purpose; COR can swap more than enough RACC gear for WS. The only time to equip RACC dagger is if you are steady-state shooting. And DWing Joyeuse with M.Kris just slows your TP compared to M.Kris alone.

Agreed, but the main problem with DWing Joyeuse and Mecurial Kris isn't even that it slows your TP - it's that you're forsaking the damage benefits of /RNG or /WAR, which is simply a poor choice. Use a DD sub (RNG or WAR), and single wield either Joyeuse or MK. It's that simple.

Shit like that doesn't work when you're going for maximum damage potential and WSing right at 100tp (because I sure as hell knew I could) every single time, unless the mob was under 30%. I made Bards happy when I voked their mobs off of them--with Slug Shot.

I'd roll out to Mamool maybe with /RNG if you're not geared as well as we are, but if you're rolling with Skadi and have the tools, go /NIN and put on a show.

You're a Corsair, not a fucking Bard that's trying to melee, after all. Act like one, and don't be a pussy and sit back and only do things when the mob is about to die.

Like, this is probably the best way to explain it.

Corsair = 65ish% of a Ranger's damage potential, with amazing buffs that may or may not be there, and the ability to Sleep targets instantly with light-type sleep.

edit: I also didn't get mad at you guys for forgetting that you're fighting birds with ridiculous amounts of haste gear, spell, and song and you've got a decent damage piercing weapon combined with a slightly lower one but it doesn't matter, which the damage from both of them actually add up pretty fucking fast if you know what you're doing, especially with the rest of the ridiculous nonsense buffs you have on. Try it, you might like it. Mkris is so fucking worthless, seriously.

Sushi + Sword Merits + Marks Merits -> lulz.

So why not sub RNG, single-wield Joy, get TP faster and be able to eat meat? You don't need shadows. The acc dagger doesn't make up for the loss of acc bonus II and slows your TP gain... no Barrage, no gun belt...

[ronin sparthos]

Thats what i did, Meat + /RNG + Joytoy or /WAR + sushi + Joytoy.

I dont really like /NIN on corsair unless your going to only be pulling, the dual wield doesnt do as much for COR as the ACC bonus traits, barrage and sharpshot or zerk.

Your rolls will only make it better anyways, or a BRDs songs and your rolls.
This is all strictly speaking merit birds or mamool though, imps as well.

[fantasticdan]

Even if you were going cor/nin in merits, it seems idiotic to bother dualwielding if you're meleeing with joyeuse, you'd only be lowering your melee dps and tp-gain. I doubt the extra racc from offhand dagger is really necessary for slugshot only, especially if you're using martial gun. Yeah, it's not a big difference, but what's the point of intentionally gimping yourself?

Either way, I've never had a problem with a cor/rng on birds. The only reason I can see going /nin is if you're pulling, in some party with no real healer, or in just a really bad party.

[Spider-Dan]

A. I traded in my mkris for a morrigan's robe
B. I tp'd way too damn fast anyway to care because I had skadi pants
C. COR WS Gear:
Joy Trailer Gun Bulletz
Maat Chram STR2 Suppa
AFz Gauntlet STR5 Rajas
Mantles STR+5?idr Skadis Skadis

so I think you see the one piece I decided to use instead of racc thx

...or you could drop the RACC+14 dagger for an ACC/RACC+22 subjob? Would probably help a B- weapon.

Even ignoring that, if you are really so starved for RACC that you feel the need to offhand a trailer's, you'd be better off dropping a STR+5 ring for an RACC ring. No, your screenshots won't be as pretty, but you'll still deal more actual damage.

Shit like that doesn't work when you're going for maximum damage potential and WSing right at 100tp (because I sure as hell knew I could) every single time, unless the mob was under 30%. I made Bards happy when I voked their mobs off of them--with Slug Shot.

I'd roll out to Mamool maybe with /RNG if you're not geared as well as we are, but if you're rolling with Skadi and have the tools, go /NIN and put on a show.

I think it's pretty funny that you're saying "when you have GEARZ LIKE THEEZ you need /NIN" at the same time you are WSing in a PCC. LOLseagorget? I hear they work pretty good for slug...

edit: I also didn't get mad at you guys for forgetting that you're fighting birds with ridiculous amounts of haste gear, spell, and song and you've got a decent damage piercing weapon combined with a slightly lower one but it doesn't matter, which the damage from both of them actually add up pretty fucking fast if you know what you're doing, especially with the rest of the ridiculous nonsense buffs you have on.

Normally, I wouldn't give a damn about how you play; the difference in exp/hr between legendary-geared-COR damage and joyeuse+full pln.-COR damage is not really even worth discussing. But it's the fact that you're saying "ammospam COR are so fucking fail... now let me return to dual-wielding my joyeuse and RACC dagger" that opens the gates of lulz.

If you're going to gimp your joyeuse by offhanding a weapon, at least use a Phantom Fleuret or something? That's almost defensible.

[Carrilei]

But it's the fact that you're saying "ammospam COR are so fucking fail... now let me return to dual-wielding my joyeuse and RACC dagger" that opens the gates of lulz.

That it does..

But no RVW, don't even bring up Phantom Fleurets lol.. That's hardly better

[ronin sparthos]

If you're going to gimp your joyeuse by offhanding a weapon, at least use a Corsairs Scimitar or something? That's almost defensible.

For the DPS and para procs.

[Damane]

Agreed, but the main problem with DWing Joyeuse and Mecurial Kris isn't even that it slows your TP - it's that you're forsaking the damage benefits of /RNG or /WAR, which is simply a poor choice. Use a DD sub (RNG or WAR), and single wield either Joyeuse or MK. It's that simple.

I agree on you if we were talking about mamools, but on colibris I usually end up with hate after fireing up slugshot ----> shadows needed. I just spam it at 100% without accuracy issues (martial gun). For colibris /nin for everything else /war or /rng.

[ronin sparthos]

/RNG you can just wait till the mobs at 50ish%, slug -> DD finishes it off before it comes your way or just sync your slugs with a DD approaching 100tp so again both your weaponskills kill the mob.

/WAR works the same way, except you get zerk which means you get a chance to blow the mobs head off every time its up. Granted you time your WS with someone else or just wait till lower HP. (50ish)

[Kylen]

As Spider-Dan and Carrilei said, even if you're adamant about subbing /NIN to merits there's really no reason to gimp your melee TP gain as COR by off-handing a Trailer's Kukri. Just single-wield your Joyeuse leave the other slot empty, and if you really need the extra r.acc to land Slug Shot that badly swap out a Flame Ring for a Behemoth's +1.

[Genosync]

Hi, my name is a bunch of people posting above that have never bothered to gear things properly and try it out multiple times, that are also ignoring the fact that Dual Wield and Suppanomimi actually do something, as well as both weapons getting ridiculous bonuses and having a shitton of ATK gear to begin with.

So what do you melee in on COR, I'm going to guess you just stick with AF1 because it looks cool?

I really wish I still played so I could toss up some parses.

Here, here's a complete sub breakdown for you, ok?

RNG: ACC Trait, Barrage, Sharpshot. Using Barrage or WS requires you to now wait until closer to the mob's death or someone else has done a weaponskill, and prevents you from tanking *just in case* something goes astray, and will never work doing a three melee PT (aka, two melee and the COR, because COR when played properly [and again you don't need much money at all to do this] counts as a melee on birds).

WAR: ATK Bonus Trait, Berserk, Warcry doesn't count for shit. Saying to use Defender would make me laugh. Can't WS, again, until low mob HP.

NIN: Shadows for protection; Dual Wield and Suppa for delay reduction which, while affects TP gain slightly, does add up to a lot of fast damage that requires nothing but to be engaged (hi, this is a bigger deal than you think, the less WSes it takes to kill a mob per chain is a big deal), you can WS freely and get more effectiveness out of your damage; mages don't hate you and want you to just stop trying to deal damage because they're curing you too much, etc.

Look, I know RNG and WAR are legit choices for a COR going up to 75. Hell, I leveled my COR on an RNG sj until 75, and pulled for a set PT of PLD BLU BLU COR BLM BRD. Occasionally I'd sub NIN if I had to pull speedy mobs.

At 75, in a merit PT, a support job trying to deal damage (which, yes, COR still is about doing damage, not saying it's pure support or pure damage, it's hybrid) doesn't need to be getting smacked in the face. You also want maximum efficency--consider the amount of overall damage you're losing by having to hold that extra TP over to the next fight because you hit 100% at like 10% mob HP, then having to keep meleeing until the mob is at a low enough HP for you to actually WS. Did you ever think about that? That's a lot of lost damage, seriously. Even if you just hit 100 at the beginning of a mob, then you're holding the TP until the mob gets low enough so you don't get smacked in the face, then Pecking Flurry'd (especially with Berserk up, stupid /WAR idiots) in the face and hit the fucking floor because your EVA is 200 (I forgot what it really was but it's low). That can add up to a lot of TP, because the other people in your PT might not end up getting TP until the mob is at 45-50%. So, you're losing probably 55% tp from this (we're considering Skadi Pant COR here) with an RNG or WAR sj, about 5...2?% on a NIN sj. But with that NIN sj, you just hit the fucking Slug Shot, do your damage, and get that 50% tp back towards your next Slug and keep on trucking.

Annoying PT with shitty WARs that don't voke? Hi guys, I'm just going to Slug Shot the Bard's pull. Need to steal some PT that's moving in on you's mobs that go white? Draw, Slug, it's definently going to be Red. Need faster pull and don't have a Draw timer up but you've got TP? Hey, you can engage it and Slug it. And you've got shadows. Shadows. You're a support job. You're supposed to facilitate things. Your ability to deal ridiculous amounts of damage to birds comes secondary to helping the PT's efficiency, not running the risk of hindering it (by getting smacked around too many fucking times and wasting your goddamn TP).

Seriously, are you just not equating that this 'wait until the mob is lower hp' that you're talking about really is reducing your overall damage?

And are you also just forgetting that you're still doing 60-80dmg/swing with all those attack buffs while still eating Sushi, and you're not missing if you have the right gear? That shit adds up pretty damn fast.

And to whoever said 'rofllllll I sub RNG and use Joy and eat meat and it works' I call fucking bullshit that it's anywhere close to what my COR could do.



edit - this is down here so maybe you read this at least. remember that you're a support job--not a damage dealer in parties that already have 3 melees, but that you're also adding in damage anyway and should be supporting by doing other tasks as well as your rolls and your damage. occasionally pull, look for links and help sleep, do things that make your Bard's life easier, hit Evoker's if you have to for the mage, lots of things you can do that really do require shadows for you to be able to not beg your mage to cure you repeatedly, and let you act freely.

[chapstick]

I agree with Genosync. The only COR I've considered awesome subbed NIN and did pretty impressive damage throughout the party.

[Spider-Dan]

Hi, my name is a bunch of people posting above that have never bothered to gear things properly and try it out multiple times, that are also ignoring the fact that Dual Wield and Suppanomimi actually do something, as well as both weapons getting ridiculous bonuses and having a shitton of ATK gear to begin with.

Hi, my name is Genosync and I like to bash other peoples' CORs for being ammospamming morons while I'm meleeing with a dagger that has a DPS of less than 6.

So what do you melee in on COR, I'm going to guess you just stick with AF1 because it looks cool?

Tough talk from someone that WSes in AF?

I melee in a combo of war/pln./denali, woodsmans, swift belt, blah blah. It's not f*cking rocket science; you wear gear with ACC (or haste), equip ONE multi-hit weapon, and it's a wrap.

RNG: ACC Trait, Barrage, Sharpshot. Using Barrage or WS requires you to now wait until closer to the mob's death or someone else has done a weaponskill, and prevents you from tanking *just in case* something goes astray, and will never work doing a three melee PT (aka, two melee and the COR, because COR when played properly [and again you don't need much money at all to do this] counts as a melee on birds).

I fail to see why you are under the impression that in a party with DDs that are even remotely worth their salt, COR should have aggro any appreciable time at all. Guess what? I used to use /NIN. I stopped when I was using bullets (for WS only, mind you) faster than shihei.

Furthermore, "only an idiot" would use Barrage on COR every time it's up, just because it's up. (See, your absurd advice of "stop shooting so much like a moron" actually worked out for once!) I save Barrage for one thing only: saving chains. My job is not to try to push myself from 64% of a RNG's damage to 67%; it's to ensure that chains continue. And being able to barrage+slug when needed (e.g. SAM misses gekko, someone's autotarget hits the wrong mob after it's been slept, etc.) is more useful than saving 100MP/hour in cures.

NIN: Shadows for protection; Dual Wield and Suppa for delay reduction which, while affects TP gain slightly, does add up to a lot of fast damage that requires nothing but to be engaged (hi, this is a bigger deal than you think, the less WSes it takes to kill a mob per chain is a big deal),

Seriously, STFU about TP/melee damage; you cannot dig up out of this hole. DWing a trailer's with joyeuse accomplishes NOTHING but LOWERING your DPS and REDUCING your TP gain.

You would literally be better off by wielding Joyeuse alone as /NIN. Feel free to do the maths on that.

If you're reaching for justification like this:

Annoying PT with shitty WARs that don't voke? Hi guys, I'm just going to Slug Shot the Bard's pull.

...I'd suggest you get better party members? Maybe ones that match up to your elite gearz?

Oh wait, you quit. nvm then

P.S. If you take nothing else from this post, read this one sentence: Single-wielding a joyeuse as /NIN is superior to DWing joy+trailer's, period. Make whatever argument about shihei you want; this fact will not change.

[Kylen]

Wow Genosync, getting a little defensive here by resorting to unsubstantiated personal attacks, are we? You can keep assuming that none of the other COR's here know how to put together a proper melee TP build if it makes you feel better about your choice to gimp your own TP gain by off-handing Kukri. As Dan said, it's not exactly rocket science.

Edit: I missed that earlier, but you really weaponskill in AF body, too?