Seeking Long-Bowed Chariot advice.

[Freyalise]

Hello everyone. I've been doing Salvage for awhile, only two boss run's though, both which turned out to be immense failures. We have a decent sized shell about 10~13 people depending on time of day, yet the only thing we lack is a BRD.. (grrr)

I usually farm on the first floor, get people their gear from Wamouracampa, get magic to those who "need" it, then head up to second floor.
We usually have an issue with not enough HP cells dropping, so while everyone's got 500HP, only the MNK and NIN's have full HP from duplicating them with Fluxflan.
Anyhow, we do pretty well, usually entirely skip the fourth floor with Gears and make it up to LBC with 30~40mins remaining.. then end up completely wiping from

Been having 2 NIN/WAR, a WAR/NIN, 2 MNK/NIN tank, could sacrifice a MNK/NIN for a PLD/NIn but would think it not work.

For DD's that don't have /NIN, had them sub /SAM and do the WS > run style. That would be 2 DRG's, one with Angon, a DRK, and a THF with feint (though they sub NIN too).

Mages, we have 1 RDM/BLM, 3 WHM's, 3 BLM's. Usually have the BLM sub either NIN or RDM, but I haven't been seeing BLM/NIN help as much as I heard. One of our BLM's has Novio earring though, which is really nice.. or a Blackbelt MNK, usually end up with BLM though for the magic damage.

So, yea.. that's basically what we have right now.. We've barely scratched LBC, in either run. We've run into him where he ends up using HM at the start and that kinda was upsetting, till I read their's an LBC of Doom on here. Hurray.

Looking for basically any advice we can get to bring a more successful victory in finishing it up. Thanks in advance.

[Aihree]

HM at the start means your tank/person who had hate had HM facing him.

LIke all chariots, DD and melees on the sides, not the front, and keep them unbound so that when chariot turns to face them they can quickly move to the side again.

You should do some searches in the "FFXI: Event Strategies" forum. LBC has no more secrets, it's all laid bare in that forum. Tihs isn't exactly right for advanced section.

[Niki]

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=19056

Should look there for strats and help about him >_>

[aurik]

Moving to the event forum.

And get a bard.

[Ferien]

Been having 2 NIN/WAR, a WAR/NIN, 2 MNK/NIN tank, could sacrifice a MNK/NIN for a PLD/NIn but would think it not work.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this mean you have all 5 of them meleeing LBC at once? If that's the case, that's your problem right there. Keep everyone off except the two MNKs. The extra melee means extra TP means more AoEs means more Cures, Paralynas and Erases needed.

Anyhow, we do pretty well, usually entirely skip the fourth floor with Gears

Don't. Killing all 10 of the single gears will weaken LBC to the point where HM is its weakest TP move. From the looks of it, you've got more than enough damage to demolish the gears within the 1 minute timeframe, so there's no reason to skip them at all. As a group that's just beginning to do boss runs, an unweakened LBC is probably the hardest boss fight there is.

Also, get a BRD. Did one run without our BRD, and I swear I just wanted to gouge my own eyes out.

[Churchill]

Using a sole PLD/WAR if he's well equipped can be a good strategy if you have bad tanks or no BRD.

Get him cells first, fully unlocked, try and unlock VIT for him but don't spend too much time, and have him eat DEF food. If you raise DEF and/or have -dmg gear it actually makes a huge difference on chariots.

Use SAM's and BLM's to SC/MB and tear LBC down and make sure the PLD knows how to avoid HM.

Other than that, get better MNKs and get a BRD.

[Koyangi]

unless your mnk's are very pimp and almost identical gear (share hate), you'll have a harder time, and you'll need a brd for any strat, not worth attempting without 1.

my group uses pld/war, double minne, capped phalanx2, dring, a sam and war/sam will setup induration SC's for 3 blm's, this strat has always worked pending time remaining, only loss happened when a blm dc'd 2 times during fight, losing considerable dmg from 2 sc's(time out).

[mackerel]

I'll go out on a limb and guess you're fighting flan on floor 3 South for stats and magic cells. Farm extra HP cells for your melees, rdm, and brd in the south center room while your runner heads to the portal.
Unweakened LBC is the reason so many salvage shells fall apart, my cousin's mother's college roommate's stepdaughter said it's 94.3% scientifically proven. Spend a little time killing those gears, worst case you'll get a link on #8 and wipe with 15 minutes left instead of 45. Seriously though, there's no shame in weakening LBC if that's what it takes to win.
Oh, and get a bard. COR's decent enough for buffs and MP regen but there's no replacement for 50% slow.

[Koyangi]

oh and with the strat my group uses we dont kill any gears.

[Neosutra]

Do people even read the forums before posting questions?

[Freyalise]

Okay, take the time to kill the gears, got it.. and definitely get a BRD.. Work in progress. lol

When going through gears, is their a way to avoid the room with the Chariot and triple gears? We have a bit of an issue trying to take it down, not sure why.

[Koyangi]

I typically port us up in our runs, just hug the walls in that room to avoid all mobs, be patient if left and right have gears too close, they'll move away.

[Zosi]

Okay, take the time to kill the gears, got it.. and definitely get a BRD.. Work in progress. lol

When going through gears, is their a way to avoid the room with the Chariot and triple gears? We have a bit of an issue trying to take it down, not sure why.

We do a sac pull if we're in a hurry, just have someone with movement speed and RR run in and cast (don't stop, just cast) to agro gears, and train them south while the rest of the group runs north.

If you're not in a hurry or don't feel like losing a member for the rest of the floor, you can wait for the gears to move just right, and either sneak/invis straight through the chariot (it's not true sight) or creep around the sides of the room. If you're *really* not in a hurry, you could even single pull and kill the chariot, but I can't say we've ever done that.

[Neosutra]

Okay, take the time to kill the gears, got it.. and definitely get a BRD.. Work in progress. lol

When going through gears, is their a way to avoid the room with the Chariot and triple gears? We have a bit of an issue trying to take it down, not sure why.

We do a sac pull if we're in a hurry, just have someone with movement speed and RR run in and cast (don't stop, just cast) to agro gears, and train them south while the rest of the group runs north.

If you're not in a hurry or don't feel like losing a member for the rest of the floor, you can wait for the gears to move just right, and either sneak/invis straight through the chariot (it's not true sight) or creep around the sides of the room. If you're *really* not in a hurry, you could even single pull and kill the chariot, but I can't say we've ever done that.

I have never had a run where just going outside the edges of the room with my entire group didnt work. The gears move around slowly and bunch up easily. This room is a non issue.

Also:

Kill all the damn gears.
Get a Brd.
Limit the TP you give it.
???
Profit.

[Churchill]

I've only once not pulled the chariot without links. All you gotta do is pay attention and wait 3m.

[Judai]

waaaaaaaaay too many melee. We have 1MNK and 1WAR or NIN on Chariots. No more. Anyone else gets to sti out and watch, maybe, MAYBE occasionaly Med>WS or SA/TA, Jump, etc. 4,5,8 Melee or w/e you have running up to and whacking LBC is horrid.

2-3 ppl on LBC at most, with others watching and MAYBE WSing once or twice.

[Kaylia]

Like everyone said already, get a brd. It's doable without one, but don't bother trying if you are inexperienced.

My advice, in no particular order
- No more than 2 melees on mega ever (if one mnk die, replace him with someone else)
- Any tank combo works, but mnk x2, mnk+nin, mnk+war, mnk+sam work the best. Going mnk x2 is usually the best, but other works fine. Have the mnk engage with hundred fist
-Make sure your healer know how to para immediatly after tp move.
-Make sure melee know how to use utsu (start casting utsu ichi right after a tp moves, and save ni for emergency
-3melee is fine for most run, everyone else should be blm if you want an easy win (obviously, need rdm, brd, whm).

If it's not nerfed (try to nerf it), make sure they know positioning, and mage are very quick to erase bind)


For the run, you should almost always have 4-5 hp cells by the end of first floor. I've seen some awful luck on it once or twice, but it's rare. The best part in my opinion
#1 Wamouracampa path for equipments (run to all the way south killing bombs and trolls for weapon/hp/mp, kill wamoura for magic and come back to kill wamoouras and gear everyone
#2 Kill all 4 puddings and go south east. Scorpions will drop stats cell and hp for everyone who need thems
#3 if you still need hp/mp/sj/magic/ja badly at this point, fight pudding in central bottom room (2 blm can one shot pudding)
#4 10 gears for nerfs

Main party should get pimped first, followed by blm and everyone else. Unless you get screwed badly, everyone "important" should have their cells on the first 2 floors, other ppl just need to be careful.

[Wizerd]

Okay, take the time to kill the gears, got it.. and definitely get a BRD.. Work in progress. lol

When going through gears, is their a way to avoid the room with the Chariot and triple gears? We have a bit of an issue trying to take it down, not sure why.

We do a sac pull if we're in a hurry, just have someone with movement speed and RR run in and cast (don't stop, just cast) to agro gears, and train them south while the rest of the group runs north.

If you're not in a hurry or don't feel like losing a member for the rest of the floor, you can wait for the gears to move just right, and either sneak/invis straight through the chariot (it's not true sight) or creep around the sides of the room. If you're *really* not in a hurry, you could even single pull and kill the chariot, but I can't say we've ever done that.

I have never had a run where just going outside the edges of the room with my entire group didnt work. The gears move around slowly and bunch up easily. This room is a non issue.

We don't normally have any problems either, but one thing to watch out for is wind weather. All gears, including the ones in this room, will have extended aggro range, and it's hard to get by when it's up. Normally they don't seem to see up the small ledge at the edge of the rooms (they'll still hear up them if you're too close), but with wind weather they do seem to see up them.

[Ferien]

We've stopped having the MNKs 2hr at the beginning of the fight, instead opting to do it at the end. Especially on LBC, there's a combination of it being more dangerous at the end, the mages not being full, and the amount of TP you give it not really mattering (Auto-Regain ftl). Last time we did it we had our MNKs fight it on their own for the first 60%, then had the BRD, 2 MNKs, me (WAR/SAM Fortsex) and our SAM 2hr, basically destroying it in a minute or two. Would have been quicker but our other WAR misunderstood what we told him and got killed right at the start. Was a much cleaner fight than our earlier ones where we'd 2hr at the start instead.

As for the chariot room, we just run around whichever edge is least crowded. If anyone does aggro, it's usually just one or two gears, which we either deal with or leave alone until they walk back to the room and raise whoever aggro'd them.

[Crosis]

LIke all chariots, DD and melees on the sides, not the front, and keep them unbound so that when chariot turns to face them they can quickly move to the side again.

Well, I agree about a non nerfed LBC and LAC but normally when I'm tanking if its a chariot or the Zhaoylm/Arrapago boss you want to face it head on. I'd rather take a Diffusion Ray that hits only me, instead of Discharge and Inertia Stream which would hit the other tank and melee. Plus less binds and paralyzes to worry about.