Test: Campaign Rank Requirement Data Collection

[Ryushii]

Emblem III

Day 7

2105 XP 1381 AN

Day 8

790 XP 395 AN
1170 XP 1009 AN

Not Pleased

Day 9

1480 XP 1323 AN

120 60
140 70
155 95
155 95
155 100
155 120
155 156

(1035 XP 696 AN total)

Day 10

100 XP 50 AN
1170 XP 1003 AN

Keep Rank

1325 XP 1087 AN
1950 XP 1143 AN

Rank Up!

All points were earned in Rolanberry Campaign.

11125 XP 8087 AN totals. Points acrued over 4 days. Ranked on day 10.

[Alistaire]

A couple of weeks ago I got a "pleased but no rank up" message then didn't do more campaign till 2-3 days later, did 1 and got a "not pleased" message. So there's either a time decay and/or possiblity to actively lose standing.

[Vuitton]

A couple of weeks ago I got a "pleased but no rank up" message then didn't do more campaign till 2-3 days later, did 1 and got a "not pleased" message. So there's either a time decay and/or possiblity to actively lose standing.

I think the more probable reason is that amount to rank up increased, pushing your current total below the threshhold to maintain rank.

[midguardian]

Achieved Holy Knight rank today. This time I kept track of all the xp/an earned in Campaign along the way. I checked with the rank evaluation NPC after each CB (once I knew I was close) and in between getting the XP and AN for each OP.

30 Days left on medal

CB 480/343 XP/AN

25 Days left on medal

CB 210/106
CB 930/465
CB 580/291
CB 1420/710
CB 905/453
CB 800/442

23 Days left on medal

CB 760/382
CB 1000/501
CB 1255/629
CB 1520/788
CB 1120/600 ---> Keep current rank? (Don't remember for sure)
CB 945/473
CO 290/880
CO 290 XP ---> Promotion!... then /880 AN.

Totals: 12505/7063

CB = Campaign Battle, CO = Campaign OP

I realized as I did the last Campaign OP that you get the XP when you correctly complete the OP, but are not awarded the AN until after you talk to the OP NPC. This is a way to distinguish between an XP or AN requirement for rank advancement by checking with the evaluation NPC in between. So, if I'd checked in with the evaluation NPC after getting the AN for my first OP, I would have strong evidence for rank up requiring only XP or AN. Unfortunately, I didn't think of this until after my promotion.

[BRP]

I just want to repeat, it's really important one checks after every battle or ops, because if not, large portions of your results become useless.

[Ryushii]

A couple of weeks ago I got a "pleased but no rank up" message then didn't do more campaign till 2-3 days later, did 1 and got a "not pleased" message. So there's either a time decay and/or possiblity to actively lose standing.

I think the more probable reason is that amount to rank up increased, pushing your current total below the threshhold to maintain rank.

A thesis is great, but people need to test this sort of thing. It is no great difficulty to do a controlled test on a rank and compare it to other tests. Even holyknight people can do tests. IE: two Holyknight friends both choose the option to keep their rank on the same day. Player 1 does the amount it normally takes to maintain rank in Holyknight on Day1, then doesn't touch it until Day 5, when he checks rank. Player 2 waits until Day 5 to do his campaigns, and does the exact same amount as Player 1. Tadah, we have a mystery solved.

[Gaea]

My Path from Emblem I >>> Emblem II


Day 5
Campaign 2315 XP 1159 AN
OP (290XP) 880 AN
OP 290 XP 880 AN
Campaign 225 XP 114 AN
OP 260 XP 820 AN

Not Pleased

OP 240 XP 780 AN
OP 300 XP 900 AN
OP 240 XP 780 AN

Not Pleased

OP 240 XP 780 AN
OP 240 XP 780 AN

Not Pleased

OP 240 XP 780 AN

Not Pleased

Day 6
Day 7

OP 240 XP 780 AN
OP 300 XP 900 AN

Not Pleased

4870 XP 10333 AN Total

Still not even Satisfactory level, and I have almost 15k points total. I can't understand why OPs are having such a small effect. I am going to bring my mule over sometime soon and begin testing rank 1>2 based solely on ops. Would be nice to compare this to some other tests of the same rank.

Edit:

Iron Emblem of Service SS
8600 exp, 8809 an

17409 total
Quoted from the rank up requirements thread.

They had 17409 total points, I have 15203. I doubt that the difference between unsatisfactory and rank up lies within 2200 points, but I could be wrong. I will try another op tomorrow and then some campaign if I have time.

This might be a strange question but how close are you to your expiration date on your medal. In otherwords, did you let a lot of time go by like 15 days without even doing campaign?

[Ryushii]

This might be a strange question but how close are you to your expiration date on your medal. In otherwords, did you let a lot of time go by like 15 days without even doing campaign?

If you notice, I labeled each day of testing with a number signifying how long since I had ranked up.

[AzazaelFenrir]

here is my log from my last rank up. I did absolutely nothing (other than level in WotG zones, which I don't think helps) since my previous rank up. If anything is unclear please ask.

Allied Ribon of Glory §§§§
1st check was
Unworthy
Thursday (2/21) - (12 days left)
1640 - 1372 (combination of 4 tags)
1350 - 676
Total for 2/21 - 2990 - 2048

Friday (2/22) - (11 days left)
1555 - 905 (combination of 2 tags)
435 - 219
130 - 97
Op (Aegis Scream I): 110 - 0
At this point I got "Did not warrant a promotion".
Total to get to "Did not Warrant"
5110 - 3397

Did not Warrant
150 - 75
460 - 335
390 - 196
660 - 552
790 - 519
395 - 248
Op turn in 520An

Friday Total - 4965 - 3746


Saturday (2/23) - (10 days left)
Nothing

Sunday (2/24) - (9 days left)
1185 - 593
790 - 631 - Ranked up Bronze Star §.
Totals to get to Bronze Star § 9930xp and 7018AN

[Ryushii]

This is my log going from Emblem III>IV

Record: (All numbers came from Bastok campaigns)

Day 1-8:

Nothing Done

Day 9

240 XP 240 AN
2840 XP 1422 AN
1040 XP 622 AN
1760 XP 1418 AN
720 XP 720 AN

Day 10

3200 XP 1606 AN

Keep Rank

Day 11

Keep Rank

Day 12

? (Did not check)

Day 13

Not Pleased

2885 XP 1443 AN

Keep Rank

Day 14-17

Keep Rank

Day 18

Not Pleased

Day 19

80 XP 60 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN

Not Pleased

80 XP 40 AN

Keep Rank

Totals: 13405 XP 7851 AN
Margin of Error: +/- 79XP/39AN

Difference between Day 19 and Day 17: 720 XP 380 XP

Edit: I have no idea why the hell I calculated all that other stuff...

This is just the start of my testing. I will be testing, in increments of 20, the exact decay tomorrow, and also the next day. By then I should have the decay within a margin of error of 19.

[Ryushii]

Combined with my above post:
Day 20

80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN

Not Pleased

20 XP 10 AN

Keep Rank

Total:500 XP 250 AN

The cap from yesterday was between 0 and 79 XP and 0 and 39 AN over the true cap. This one is only up to 19xp/9an over the true cap, which for all intensive purposes is close enough. That puts the cap for a Day 20 Emblem III to retain rank at 13905 XP 8101AN 22006 combined. I am going to go ahead and assume that the nearly round numbers are not coincidental, and say the true values are 13900, 8100, 22000. Another potential is that you simply need a combined of 22000. I will be conducting more tests in the next few days with this information, starting with a replication of this test. 500-560XP/250-280AN should just scratch the value again.

[EagleCeres]

Current Medal: HolyKnight Emblem§§§§

EXP / AN Note
13039 / 73581 EXP/AN session start value, 2 days left to next evaluation
* checked with evaluator, 2 days left to next evaluation
0 / -100 AN spent on sigil regen/refresh
0 / -40 AN spent on teleport to jugner
+1145 / 627 camp battle
+110 / 0 op (aegis shield 1)
0 / -10 AN spent on teleport to san d'oria
+0 / 520 op (aegis shield 1)
0 / -40 AN spent on teleport to jugner
+770 / 385 camp battle
+110 / 0 op (aegis shield 1)
0 / -10 AN spent on teleport to san d'oria
+0 / 520 op (aegis shield 1)
0 / -50 AN spent on teleport to batallia downs
* stopped participating in campaign for three (3) days
> 2135 / 1802 net exp/an gained for this session
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
15174 / 75383 EXP/AN session start value, evaluation day
* checked evaluation "unworthy of retaining highest medal"
0 / -100 AN spent on sigil regen/refresh
0 / -40 AN spent on teleport to jugner
+465 / 234 camp battle
+725 / 364 camp battle
+360 / 181 camp battle
+940 / 471 camp battle
+1090 / 545 camp battle
0 / -10 AN spent on teleport to san d'oria
> 3580 / 1785 net exp/an gained for this session
* checked evaluation "pleased with your work, did not warrant conferral of further decoration"
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>5715 / 3587 total exp/an accrued, time remaining 25 days

[Ryushii]

Current Medal: HolyKnight Emblem§§§§

Could you switch your totals to reflect actual AN earned, not net. The AN you use for things does not count against you. Here's some proof:

Emblem 3>4

Day 23

80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN

Not Pleased

20 XP 10 AN

Keep Rank

I checked my status after every acruement. That means I spent far more AN than I gained.

[Ryushii]

I have some odd test results...

Emblem 4

Day 9

240 XP 240 AN
2840 XP 1422 AN
1040 XP 622 AN
1760 XP 1418 AN
720 XP 720 AN

Day 10

3200 XP 1606 AN
Keep Rank

Day 11

Keep Rank

Day 13

Not Pleased
2885 XP 1443 AN
Keep Rank

Day 14

Keep Rank (argh!)

Day 15

Keep Rank (-.-)

Day 16

Keep Rank

Day 17

Keep Rank

Day 18

Not Pleased

Day 19

80 XP 60 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
Not Pleased
80 XP 40 AN
Keep Rank

Day 20

80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
Not Pleased
20 XP 10 AN
Keep Rank
Total:500 XP 250 AN

Day 21

80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
Not Pleased
20 XP 10 AN
Keep Rank
Totals: 600 XP 300 AN

Day 22

80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
Not Pleased
20 Xp 10 AN
Keep Rank
Totals: 560 XP 280 AN

Day 23

80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
Not Pleased
20 XP 10 AN
Keep Rank
Totals: 600 XP 300 AN

Day 24

80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
20 XP 10 AN
80 XP 40 AN
80 XP 40 AN
Not Pleased
80 XP 40 AN
Keep Rank
Totals: 980 XP 490 AN

Day 26

800 XP 800 AN
Keep Rank

So basically the point of the test was to test the increase is requirement per day. Things seemed fine at first. By Day 20 I had the exact amount needed within 20XP/10AN, which were 13905 XP 7721 AN 21626 combined. There are some oddities after that though. Days 21-23, though they show similar values, do not show values within the error of margin (which is 19xp/9an/29combined fyi). Therefore, my first conclusion is that the cap does not increase at a set value per day.

Secondly, Day 24 shows something even stranger: a value approximately 1.5 times higher. That means that there must have been something to change that value that did not occur in the other tests. Several ideas came to my head, but I have not figured out more than 1 plausible reason.
It does not have to do with where the campaigns took place (all these values are from campaign battles) for each Day had very similar testing samples: I would go to my own nation's campaign battles first, then sandy next if none of mine were available. I remember distinctly not doing an abnormal amount of sandoria campaign, and even a few more than usual would not produce such a sharp increase.
It does not have to do with a conquest change, for Day 24 was a Saturday.
The only other possibility I came up with is that the amount required for rank up increases not by day but by some smaller increment such as hour. My reasoning for this is that I did Days 21-23 all around the same time (11-12pm at night); however, I did Day 24 around 4pm the next day (my day count changes somewhere around 6-7pm). The only problem is that the difference in time there is more like 1.75 days away from the last time the cap was hit. There is still the possibility that the requirement only increases a few times per day, though it seems far fetched.
On this topic, if you have any ideas of what could have caused this abnormality, please give some input.

The next oddity is on Day 26. I went and did 1 campaign soon after it transitioned from Day 25 to 26. The odd thing is that I was able to rank up with only 800XP/800AN after an entire 2 days since I last met the requirement. If it is really true that the requirement increases hourly or at least more than once a day, then the fact that such a low amount of XP reached the cap is explainable. However, if it is not, then we have to consider the possibility that XP is not the factor for rank up.
I already proved earlier in the thread that AN is not the factor for rank up either, so it seems reasonable to me that there is either a lurking factor, or that the factor is the combination of the two values.
I believe it has a good chance of being the second because of the way the numbers work. 800 XP 800 AN is a combined of 1600, which is slightly less than the combined of 1200 XP 600 AN (1800), which is approximately how much a two day's worth of increases totals to be. The numbers match up well enough to not refute the possibility that the combined value determines rank up.

So that's everything I can get from my test. I will include how much it takes me to rank up today too, as useless as that information is. Also , I will post this in the other thread.